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Masonic Notes And Queries.

POPERY AND ROMAN CATHOLICS . I shall be glad if Pictus can enli ghten us as to the connexion of his remarks with Ereemasonry . What has Ereemasonry to do with Ultramontauism or Gallicanism ? We have members who belong to every political shade of the Roman Catholic Church ,

and we have no justification for any offensive remarks with regard to their faith any more than we have with the shades of Baptist opinion . Such remarks are an offensive imitation of the Pope and other reviiers of Ereemasonry . —CATHOLICUS .

THE PRINCE OE WALES ( p . 108 ) . J . A . IL may be right that Grand Patron is a bad "title , and that Masonry does not want patronage ; but Grand Patron is an old title , and has just been applied by the Grand Lodge of Scotland . At all - events it is better than sham Past G . M .

J . A . H . is not happy in this , nor is he happy in his next suggestion to adopt what he regards as a Swedish plan ; for the Book of Constitutions has provided in such a case as that of the Prince of "Wales for his being G . M . with a Pro-Grand Master . The same objection must exist to H . R . H . being sham Past

G . M . as to his being G . M . de facto , and simple brethren , cannot understand why H . R . H . should be shunted out of the way in an irregular and unconstitutional manner . —A NEW MASON .

BRO . MELVILLE AND THE BIBLES . Can our learned Bro . Melville inform us whether the early printed Bibles which he talks about have their dates in their title-pages or at their ends , or whether most of them have any title-pages at all ? As the earliest books were in imitation of MSS ., and

printers names were not inserted in MSS . books before the invention of printing , Bro . Melville may , perhaps , be able to explain these other mysteries . Also why the Roman Catholic priests forgot to mutilate the written or MSS . Latin Bibles , before printing was invented , but copied them out and cared for

them , so that the printed Bibles were printed from the MSS . of the priests and friars . Also what object they had in mutilating the printed Latin Bibles by tearing off title pages which had never been put on . "When he has done these things he may enlighten j Bro . Hughan and—A BIBLIOPHILE .

MASONIC CANDIDATES . Instead of looking how many hands or feet a candidate has , would it not be an improvement to make him pass an examination as to his mental acquirements . Unless he were able to read intelli gibly , Write legibly ( or , if he wanted his arms , dictate correctly ) , and work a sum at least in simple proportion , reject him . —PICTUS .

A . MASONIC PHENOMENON . There are phenomenons exhibited at the fairs with threeJegs or no legs or arms at all , but we have now in this country a Masonic phenomenon , Bro . Capt . Tisnard , who was initiated in the English language in Alexandria in Africapassed in German in

Con-, stantinople in Europe , and raised at Beirout in Asia in the Italian language . Thus he took his degrees in three different quarters of the globe and in three different languages . — H . C .

COLLECTANEA AS TO ORDERS . I enclose some contemporary cuttings made by my late father . —HYDE CLARICE . KNIGHTS OE ST . JOHN . " Qalignani , 10 July , 1838 . " Cardinal Odescalchi has been received at Rome

as Grand Prior of the Order of St . John of Jerusalem by the Bailli , the Commanders , and Knights of the Order assembled in the Church of the Grand Priory dedicated to St . Basil . The Commander Montinho de Lima has been admitted to ah audience by the Pope , by whom he was most graciously received . ' '

ERENCH TEMPLARS . " United Service Journal . May , 1838 . " Of all the numerous Orders conferred upon Sir Sydney Smith , Admiral of the White and Lieut . Gen . of Marines , the most distinguished of which are K . C . B ., & c , that of the Templar Cross is the most remarkable and interesting . It is the self-same

ornament which hung suspended from the neck of the chivalrous Richard the Lion-hearted during his crusades in the Holy Land , and which the Admiral wears in like manner by a gold chain . The form of the cross is Latin ; it is of pure gold , and ornamented with large rubies and emerals ; an emerald

of superior size in the centre on one side , and at each end , and in the centre of the reverse , carbuncles of great magnitude . Above is a crown , the upper part resembling our ducal coronets ; and the whole is fastened to an oval frame of tbe same metal , set all round with precious stones , with curious filagree

workmanship , and also studded with gems . At the bottom hang a row of emeralds and other stones bored through and secured by gold hoops to rings in the frame , much in the same fashion as the glass drops of chandeliers . " " G-alir / nani , 18 th January , 1838 . "Mr . Maillard de Oharnburearchivest at Dijon ,

, has discovered among them three manuscripts , viz ,, two volumes of accounts kept by the Jews who formed an association for furnishing provisions and clothing for the last Crusade ; and a third volume is of the Military Regulations of the Templars approved by the Council of Troyes 1128 at the same time as the

, , Rules of the Order . These important statutes , which have never been published , and have been considered as lost , will ere long be printed and laid before the antiquaries and men of historical research , who will no doubt supply the long-desired History of the Templars . "

ARCHITECTURE . —SPIRES . Since a cathedral is a " house of God , " intended by its builders to carry up the mind of the beholder to that "house not made with hands eternal in the heavens , " should its highest central spire not end in a point ? I have often thought and felt so . I have no objection to crosses or other finial ornaments

being put upon the lower towers or gables , & c , but the highest spire should end simply in a heavenwarddirecting point . No cross , cock , or any ornament whatever but the spire itself sloping up ^ gradually , and going off into a ' simple point . To look upon the building simply as such , per se , an ornament upon the top of the spire may be by many considered necessary ; but to view it understanding its idealism , theu the intended ornament , or finial , is simply a

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MASONIC DISCIPLINE.—XVIII. Article 1
BIBLES, &c . Article 3
LODGE MINUTES, ETC.—No. 6. Article 4
FREEMASONRY IN SWEDEN. Article 5
THE EARL OF DALHOUSIE AND THE GRAND MASTERSHIP OF SCOTLAND. Article 6
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 6
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 8
DECAPITATION OF BRO. MELVILLE. Article 9
MASONIC MEMS Article 9
METROPOLITAN. Article 10
PROVINCIAL. Article 10
SCOTLAND. Article 14
IRELAND. Article 14
CEYLON. Article 15
ROYAL ARCH. Article 17
MARK MASONRY. Article 17
MASONIC FESTIVITIES. Article 17
SOUTHERN STAR LODGE (No. 1158). Article 17
GRAND LODGE OF MARK MASTERS OF ENGLAND AND WALES, Article 17
LITERATURE, SCIENCE, MUSIC, DRAMA, AND THE FINE ARTS. Article 19
MASONIC LIFEBOAT FUND. Article 19
LIST OF LODGE, &c., MEETINGS FOR WEEK ENDING 21ST AUGUST, 1869. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Masonic Notes And Queries.

POPERY AND ROMAN CATHOLICS . I shall be glad if Pictus can enli ghten us as to the connexion of his remarks with Ereemasonry . What has Ereemasonry to do with Ultramontauism or Gallicanism ? We have members who belong to every political shade of the Roman Catholic Church ,

and we have no justification for any offensive remarks with regard to their faith any more than we have with the shades of Baptist opinion . Such remarks are an offensive imitation of the Pope and other reviiers of Ereemasonry . —CATHOLICUS .

THE PRINCE OE WALES ( p . 108 ) . J . A . IL may be right that Grand Patron is a bad "title , and that Masonry does not want patronage ; but Grand Patron is an old title , and has just been applied by the Grand Lodge of Scotland . At all - events it is better than sham Past G . M .

J . A . H . is not happy in this , nor is he happy in his next suggestion to adopt what he regards as a Swedish plan ; for the Book of Constitutions has provided in such a case as that of the Prince of "Wales for his being G . M . with a Pro-Grand Master . The same objection must exist to H . R . H . being sham Past

G . M . as to his being G . M . de facto , and simple brethren , cannot understand why H . R . H . should be shunted out of the way in an irregular and unconstitutional manner . —A NEW MASON .

BRO . MELVILLE AND THE BIBLES . Can our learned Bro . Melville inform us whether the early printed Bibles which he talks about have their dates in their title-pages or at their ends , or whether most of them have any title-pages at all ? As the earliest books were in imitation of MSS ., and

printers names were not inserted in MSS . books before the invention of printing , Bro . Melville may , perhaps , be able to explain these other mysteries . Also why the Roman Catholic priests forgot to mutilate the written or MSS . Latin Bibles , before printing was invented , but copied them out and cared for

them , so that the printed Bibles were printed from the MSS . of the priests and friars . Also what object they had in mutilating the printed Latin Bibles by tearing off title pages which had never been put on . "When he has done these things he may enlighten j Bro . Hughan and—A BIBLIOPHILE .

MASONIC CANDIDATES . Instead of looking how many hands or feet a candidate has , would it not be an improvement to make him pass an examination as to his mental acquirements . Unless he were able to read intelli gibly , Write legibly ( or , if he wanted his arms , dictate correctly ) , and work a sum at least in simple proportion , reject him . —PICTUS .

A . MASONIC PHENOMENON . There are phenomenons exhibited at the fairs with threeJegs or no legs or arms at all , but we have now in this country a Masonic phenomenon , Bro . Capt . Tisnard , who was initiated in the English language in Alexandria in Africapassed in German in

Con-, stantinople in Europe , and raised at Beirout in Asia in the Italian language . Thus he took his degrees in three different quarters of the globe and in three different languages . — H . C .

COLLECTANEA AS TO ORDERS . I enclose some contemporary cuttings made by my late father . —HYDE CLARICE . KNIGHTS OE ST . JOHN . " Qalignani , 10 July , 1838 . " Cardinal Odescalchi has been received at Rome

as Grand Prior of the Order of St . John of Jerusalem by the Bailli , the Commanders , and Knights of the Order assembled in the Church of the Grand Priory dedicated to St . Basil . The Commander Montinho de Lima has been admitted to ah audience by the Pope , by whom he was most graciously received . ' '

ERENCH TEMPLARS . " United Service Journal . May , 1838 . " Of all the numerous Orders conferred upon Sir Sydney Smith , Admiral of the White and Lieut . Gen . of Marines , the most distinguished of which are K . C . B ., & c , that of the Templar Cross is the most remarkable and interesting . It is the self-same

ornament which hung suspended from the neck of the chivalrous Richard the Lion-hearted during his crusades in the Holy Land , and which the Admiral wears in like manner by a gold chain . The form of the cross is Latin ; it is of pure gold , and ornamented with large rubies and emerals ; an emerald

of superior size in the centre on one side , and at each end , and in the centre of the reverse , carbuncles of great magnitude . Above is a crown , the upper part resembling our ducal coronets ; and the whole is fastened to an oval frame of tbe same metal , set all round with precious stones , with curious filagree

workmanship , and also studded with gems . At the bottom hang a row of emeralds and other stones bored through and secured by gold hoops to rings in the frame , much in the same fashion as the glass drops of chandeliers . " " G-alir / nani , 18 th January , 1838 . "Mr . Maillard de Oharnburearchivest at Dijon ,

, has discovered among them three manuscripts , viz ,, two volumes of accounts kept by the Jews who formed an association for furnishing provisions and clothing for the last Crusade ; and a third volume is of the Military Regulations of the Templars approved by the Council of Troyes 1128 at the same time as the

, , Rules of the Order . These important statutes , which have never been published , and have been considered as lost , will ere long be printed and laid before the antiquaries and men of historical research , who will no doubt supply the long-desired History of the Templars . "

ARCHITECTURE . —SPIRES . Since a cathedral is a " house of God , " intended by its builders to carry up the mind of the beholder to that "house not made with hands eternal in the heavens , " should its highest central spire not end in a point ? I have often thought and felt so . I have no objection to crosses or other finial ornaments

being put upon the lower towers or gables , & c , but the highest spire should end simply in a heavenwarddirecting point . No cross , cock , or any ornament whatever but the spire itself sloping up ^ gradually , and going off into a ' simple point . To look upon the building simply as such , per se , an ornament upon the top of the spire may be by many considered necessary ; but to view it understanding its idealism , theu the intended ornament , or finial , is simply a

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