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whole of York Masonry to be that ritual . It is for Grand Conclave to decide whether they claim to represent the initiatory ceremony , the Eose Croix , or the Kadosh degree . I don't dispute " Ebor ' s" quotation from " Eynner Hoedera" or " De Grenesfield ' s Eegister , " but I do dispute the accuracy of his reasoning , which was adduced

to me some time ago by a learned gentleman , for we know Masons have been made in prison , and we have the Order as an actual proof that it was continued . What became of the Escaped Templars ?—Five anywhere could hold a chapter for admissions—three might suffice in case of emergency , such as the death of the Order ; and " Ebor" knows that a follower of almost any of the

Persian sects , might at ono time , say 100 years ago , have obtained admission to our own lodges . I hare myself relieved one of these eastern wanderers who could give me no satisfactory account of his initiation . I believe Masonry was practised in England at a very early period , and in fact anywhere where the Chaldean forms and philosophcould penetratebut I don ' t yet

y , believe in an Athelstan Grand Lodge . The accounts are too contradictory ; and if it was an assembly with "dukes and barons" if , must have been after the Conquest . Suppose now that the Brother Templars , to assist their engineering aims aud operations , had joined the Lodge of Geometricians , established by the " Judge by die grace of God" at Cairowhere nine degrees were conferred—the

, thrice throe of the Brahmins and the Chaldeans . We know that when the Templars arrived in England , they commenced to build , and on the Continent , Aulk , Count of Anjou , was named the " Great Builder . " We know , also , that they commenced to affiliate non-members in a military sense . And what was to prevent these brothers using their knowledge to assist their friends , in turn , at

York , Bristol , and elsewhere . Wren ' s custom of an operative Warden over every ten workmen was a Templar custom , that body havingbeen ' ruledbyCommanders of tens and hundreds ; and , like the Maccabees , the Templars had also a Knight Commander ( or rnling 10 ) placed over their portable chapel—an Egyptian custom—a ruler of ten being placed over the Pastopheri , or bearers of tho sacred

utensils . I draw far back on my memory for tho foregoing , and believe that anyone with leisure for study might increase such coincidences without limit , ancl " Ebor" himself admits that Masonry was acknowledged at Paris . Now , this Templar Order was divided into three classes , and Anderson mentions , in his "Constitutions , " civil , sacred , and military Masom-y , and informs us that

" Sons of Noah , " according to some old Masonic traditions , was the first name of Masons , and that the military Orders had borrowed many customs from Craft Masonry . The Assassins also had their three classes , probably originally of three degrees each , corresponding with " Hakem b ' amar elleh ' s" college . The three Templar classes were the Knights , the Priests , and the Esquires ,

all ivith distinct receptions closely resembling each other . In Civil Masonry we have the Esquires—the initiate and Sheik of the eastern sects . In Sacred Masonry we have our Arch degree ( and tho Brahmins have a similar degree ) and High Priest . In Military Masonry we have the chivalric ceremony , equivalent to the Apprentice degree of the first classand we have the Eose Croix

, , the Chivalric or Military Master or Sheik ; the principal sign of which , I am assured , is well known to the Brahmins . Again , all degrees of York Masonry were strictly Christian . A century or so ago , it is said that three times nine constituted a complete encampment , in allusion , probably , to the three classes and of founders of the Order .

Mener , who wrote in England on the Order of Eose Croix , states that they had different degrees , and had to undergo a five years' noviciate , and that though the Masters of the Order held out the Eose as a remote prize , they imposed the cross on all who enter . Here we have a proof of the existence of our organisation

previously to 1630 , and there is other proof adduciblo to Eose Croix Masons carrying up tho Order far beyond that period . Then , as to its connection with the Templars , we have the period of 1400 assigned in Germany for the introduction of the Order from the East . Thiswould be about the period when a few old Templars might venture to revive the Order there , and there are the

claims of the Order of Eosy Croix at Edinburgh , and tho identity of Masonic ceremonies with the French Templars . I don't necessarily believe iu the Scotch lodges until they show how they got their rituals , eleven prove that thoy were brother Masons at all until a recent period . "Well , now , suppose after all that the old York Masons

were practising an imposture ( which " Ebor" more than insinuates ) in claiming their privileges from Baldwin at Jerusalem , and that all English Masonry is iu fact an imposture ( for "Ebor ' s" argument comes to that , and I love to call things by their right names ) , and has noclaims to antiquity beyond 1717-1725 , he-- has now to demolish the French Order of the Templefor we have

, sufficient proof that Masonry , both in England and Scotlaud , was mixed up with that Order , through the Stuarts , and everywhere members have been mutually received and affiliated , and probably the meeting at Hotyrood House , in 1746 , was a branch of the French Order . I write only for fact , for it is difficult to get at in connection with secret associations ; and if " Ebor" can

prove that everything has been pieced and patched together , I shall still think no worse of Masonry ; but let ushave the truth , the whole truth , and nothing but the truth , and moderate our pretensions to what we are . I believe so implioity in the great antiquity of our entiresystem , and feel so strongly on the point that I must bog you will not deny me even so large a space in your

pages . I know " Ebor" will strongly object to all this , because , whilst he wishes to leave Craft Masonry universal , to which I by no neans object , he will deny to me liberty of thought on religious subjects . Asabusinessman , ! have no leisure to pub this matter into well rounded paragraphs , but in tho style it is I leave it to the learned of your fullinitiated readersbut I cannot admit that others

y ; any are at all capable of properly deciding upon so important a question . I remain , dear Sir and Brother , Yours fraternally , A P . S . —I must strongly object to one system of Masonry attempting to lower another iu order to raise its own

importance . Call a meeting of learned brothers , compare MSS ., ascertain faithfully what the old York Eite was , and let us return to it . We want no foreign systems , least of all , no new ones .

TO ma -ron OF ran E . IEEITASO . YS . UAGAZI . YE AXD JTASOXIC . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —Bro . "Ebor" must excuse my being drawn into a controversy about ritualistic observances of degrees to which he does not belong , and cannot therefore bo properly qualified to discuss ; but I . must put him right upon one point . I never alluded tothe Templars or Knights of Malta .

They are no degrees , but independent orders of knighthood ., owing allegiance to no Masonic authority , but governed by their own Councils and Grand Masters , and as such are recognised by all Christendom . The chivalria degrees are those of the Eed Cross Knights , "Eose Croix , " and others known by all high grade Masons , as the knihtl degrees of the Ancient and

Acgy cepted Eite , now under the authority of our accomplished and revered chief , Dr . Leeson , with whom I have the honour to be personally acquainted , and am also indebted to for much valuable and authentic information , which , instead of locking np in his own breast , he is always ready to impart to those brethren qualified to receive it . The Kose Croix degree is of great antiquity . It was .

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CYCLOPIAN REMAINS NEAR ROME. Article 1
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CORRESPONDENCE. Article 5
CAN A WARDEN INITIATE, &c. Article 7
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 9
PROVINCIAL. Article 9
ROYAL ARCH. Article 14
AUSTRALIA. Article 15
INDIA. Article 17
PUBLIC AMUSEMENTS. Article 17
NOTES ON MUSIC AND THE DRAMA. Article 18
FINE ARTS. Article 18
THE WEEK. Article 18
TO CORRESPONDENTS . Article 20
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whole of York Masonry to be that ritual . It is for Grand Conclave to decide whether they claim to represent the initiatory ceremony , the Eose Croix , or the Kadosh degree . I don't dispute " Ebor ' s" quotation from " Eynner Hoedera" or " De Grenesfield ' s Eegister , " but I do dispute the accuracy of his reasoning , which was adduced

to me some time ago by a learned gentleman , for we know Masons have been made in prison , and we have the Order as an actual proof that it was continued . What became of the Escaped Templars ?—Five anywhere could hold a chapter for admissions—three might suffice in case of emergency , such as the death of the Order ; and " Ebor" knows that a follower of almost any of the

Persian sects , might at ono time , say 100 years ago , have obtained admission to our own lodges . I hare myself relieved one of these eastern wanderers who could give me no satisfactory account of his initiation . I believe Masonry was practised in England at a very early period , and in fact anywhere where the Chaldean forms and philosophcould penetratebut I don ' t yet

y , believe in an Athelstan Grand Lodge . The accounts are too contradictory ; and if it was an assembly with "dukes and barons" if , must have been after the Conquest . Suppose now that the Brother Templars , to assist their engineering aims aud operations , had joined the Lodge of Geometricians , established by the " Judge by die grace of God" at Cairowhere nine degrees were conferred—the

, thrice throe of the Brahmins and the Chaldeans . We know that when the Templars arrived in England , they commenced to build , and on the Continent , Aulk , Count of Anjou , was named the " Great Builder . " We know , also , that they commenced to affiliate non-members in a military sense . And what was to prevent these brothers using their knowledge to assist their friends , in turn , at

York , Bristol , and elsewhere . Wren ' s custom of an operative Warden over every ten workmen was a Templar custom , that body havingbeen ' ruledbyCommanders of tens and hundreds ; and , like the Maccabees , the Templars had also a Knight Commander ( or rnling 10 ) placed over their portable chapel—an Egyptian custom—a ruler of ten being placed over the Pastopheri , or bearers of tho sacred

utensils . I draw far back on my memory for tho foregoing , and believe that anyone with leisure for study might increase such coincidences without limit , ancl " Ebor" himself admits that Masonry was acknowledged at Paris . Now , this Templar Order was divided into three classes , and Anderson mentions , in his "Constitutions , " civil , sacred , and military Masom-y , and informs us that

" Sons of Noah , " according to some old Masonic traditions , was the first name of Masons , and that the military Orders had borrowed many customs from Craft Masonry . The Assassins also had their three classes , probably originally of three degrees each , corresponding with " Hakem b ' amar elleh ' s" college . The three Templar classes were the Knights , the Priests , and the Esquires ,

all ivith distinct receptions closely resembling each other . In Civil Masonry we have the Esquires—the initiate and Sheik of the eastern sects . In Sacred Masonry we have our Arch degree ( and tho Brahmins have a similar degree ) and High Priest . In Military Masonry we have the chivalric ceremony , equivalent to the Apprentice degree of the first classand we have the Eose Croix

, , the Chivalric or Military Master or Sheik ; the principal sign of which , I am assured , is well known to the Brahmins . Again , all degrees of York Masonry were strictly Christian . A century or so ago , it is said that three times nine constituted a complete encampment , in allusion , probably , to the three classes and of founders of the Order .

Mener , who wrote in England on the Order of Eose Croix , states that they had different degrees , and had to undergo a five years' noviciate , and that though the Masters of the Order held out the Eose as a remote prize , they imposed the cross on all who enter . Here we have a proof of the existence of our organisation

previously to 1630 , and there is other proof adduciblo to Eose Croix Masons carrying up tho Order far beyond that period . Then , as to its connection with the Templars , we have the period of 1400 assigned in Germany for the introduction of the Order from the East . Thiswould be about the period when a few old Templars might venture to revive the Order there , and there are the

claims of the Order of Eosy Croix at Edinburgh , and tho identity of Masonic ceremonies with the French Templars . I don't necessarily believe iu the Scotch lodges until they show how they got their rituals , eleven prove that thoy were brother Masons at all until a recent period . "Well , now , suppose after all that the old York Masons

were practising an imposture ( which " Ebor" more than insinuates ) in claiming their privileges from Baldwin at Jerusalem , and that all English Masonry is iu fact an imposture ( for "Ebor ' s" argument comes to that , and I love to call things by their right names ) , and has noclaims to antiquity beyond 1717-1725 , he-- has now to demolish the French Order of the Templefor we have

, sufficient proof that Masonry , both in England and Scotlaud , was mixed up with that Order , through the Stuarts , and everywhere members have been mutually received and affiliated , and probably the meeting at Hotyrood House , in 1746 , was a branch of the French Order . I write only for fact , for it is difficult to get at in connection with secret associations ; and if " Ebor" can

prove that everything has been pieced and patched together , I shall still think no worse of Masonry ; but let ushave the truth , the whole truth , and nothing but the truth , and moderate our pretensions to what we are . I believe so implioity in the great antiquity of our entiresystem , and feel so strongly on the point that I must bog you will not deny me even so large a space in your

pages . I know " Ebor" will strongly object to all this , because , whilst he wishes to leave Craft Masonry universal , to which I by no neans object , he will deny to me liberty of thought on religious subjects . Asabusinessman , ! have no leisure to pub this matter into well rounded paragraphs , but in tho style it is I leave it to the learned of your fullinitiated readersbut I cannot admit that others

y ; any are at all capable of properly deciding upon so important a question . I remain , dear Sir and Brother , Yours fraternally , A P . S . —I must strongly object to one system of Masonry attempting to lower another iu order to raise its own

importance . Call a meeting of learned brothers , compare MSS ., ascertain faithfully what the old York Eite was , and let us return to it . We want no foreign systems , least of all , no new ones .

TO ma -ron OF ran E . IEEITASO . YS . UAGAZI . YE AXD JTASOXIC . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —Bro . "Ebor" must excuse my being drawn into a controversy about ritualistic observances of degrees to which he does not belong , and cannot therefore bo properly qualified to discuss ; but I . must put him right upon one point . I never alluded tothe Templars or Knights of Malta .

They are no degrees , but independent orders of knighthood ., owing allegiance to no Masonic authority , but governed by their own Councils and Grand Masters , and as such are recognised by all Christendom . The chivalria degrees are those of the Eed Cross Knights , "Eose Croix , " and others known by all high grade Masons , as the knihtl degrees of the Ancient and

Acgy cepted Eite , now under the authority of our accomplished and revered chief , Dr . Leeson , with whom I have the honour to be personally acquainted , and am also indebted to for much valuable and authentic information , which , instead of locking np in his own breast , he is always ready to impart to those brethren qualified to receive it . The Kose Croix degree is of great antiquity . It was .

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