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Correspondence.

well known in this country in 1314 , and Dr . Leeson discovered traces of it in Holland in 1459 ; indeed , I cannot help being of opinion that , with certain modifications , it is founded on , if not identical with , the ancient Templar ceremony . Of the Kadosh degree , Dr . Leeson says , in the constitutions and lawsapproved of on St . John ' s Day 1720

, , , by Grand Lodge , the Duke of Montague Grand Master , all Masons were commanded to acknowledge Elected Knights , Kadosh , Superintendents , Knights of Palestine , Princes of Jerusalem , & c . Bro . "Ebor" most unintentionally asserts that I said that a century before 1813 the same Templar ritual was in full force in this country . . 1 never made use of any such words . There is a material

difference between the Erench and English ritual of the Order of the Temple ; it was impossible , without grossly profaning the services of the Eoman Catholic Church , to adopt tho ancient ceremony in its entirety in a Protestant community . Grand Conclave , in the revision of 1833 , erred too much , perhaps , on the other side . The . same be said of the revised ritual of the Knihts

may g -of Malta , if worked as in the Mount Calvary and Stuart Encampments ; with all proper adjuncts , it is as imposing , if not more so , than that of the Order of the Temple . The pass of Malta is no Masonic tradition , bub an historical fact . By the constitutions of the Erench Langue , in 1254 , no pilgrim could visit the Holy Land without a pass from the Holy Eoyal Arch brethren of Paris ; this

• order was attached to the Hospitallers of Saint John of Jerusalem , since called the Knights of Malta . It was purely sacerdotal , and very different from the Masonic E . A . degree , founded by the Chevalier Eamsa-y some centuries later . I am , dear Sir and Brother , yours fraternally , . November 10 , 1863 . EOSA CIUTCIS .

Can A Warden Initiate, &C.

CAN A WARDEN INITIATE , & c .

TO THE EDITOR OF THE FKEEHASONS MAGAZINE AND MASONIC IMmOl ! . DEAR SIR AKD BROTHER , — "M . C . " has followed the example of most unsuccessful disputants . The arguments are against him , and he endeavours to diverge into other topics , aud so draw the attention away from the real question at isssue— "Can a Warden Initiate "—which - will not bo settled by the looseness of my " comparative

philology , " or my putting the cart before the horse when alluding to the York and Athol lodges . In entering upon the dispute , I had no intention to appear as a philologist . When I said the term " "Warden " is a Saxon word , I only followed the custom which , in my . general reading , I observe is adopted by most , if not all authors ( unless upon an ethnological subject ) to ive the

, g general term Saxon to words ivhich belong to the Teutonic family , whether they be old Saxon or low German , the Dutch , Flemings , or the Saxon of Transylvania , though I think exceptions are often made to the Scandinavian branch . However , I have not made comparative philology a parfcicular ' study , and will leave- " M . C . " to those who have , particularly to the lexicographer , J . the author of

Cragg , "An Etymological , Technological , -and Pronouncing Dictionary of the English Language , " in which the word Warden ( ward ) is thus rendered , " Waerdean , Saxon ; Gnarder , French ; Guardare , Italian ; b-uardar , Spanish . " The hypercriticism of "M . 0 . " deserves a compliment . Neither did I intend to give a detailed account of the heretofore

two Grand Lodges , but used the terms indiscriminately , as they are used in passing conversation by Masons at the present day , and I tender " M . C . " my acknowledgments for the able manner in which he has corroborated and enlarged upon my assertion as to their being before the union , in 1813 , two Grand Lod ges with identical landmarks , but differently constituted . I have also to express my obligation to " M . O , " in pointing out my apparent inconsistency , by quoting my words as follows : — " Here is nothing about taking an

apprentice , only as to ' the management of the Craft in working , ' id . est , work already in hand , and in that sense only may a Warden rule a lodge at the present day ; " and then he draws certain inferences which I admit may present themselves to a superficial reader . Does " M . C . " mean that the working of a lodge is confined to the business named in the summons to the

members ? If so , I join issue with him . The "W . M . has , when he has opened his lodge , to employ and instruct the brethren in E . M . If the W . M . be absent , ^ jind no P . M . willing to occupy the chair , it should not only be a Warden ' s right but a Warden ' s duty to instruct the E . A . 's , and prepare them for passing by the Master ; and should he ( the Warden ) open the lodge in

the second degree , he should do so for the instruction and improvement of the craftsmen , and guide them , to a knowledge of that sacred symbol which will fit them to be raised by the W . M . to the sublime third degree . These I take to be some of the ancient landmarks of the Order , and to which allusion is made in the charges to the Wardens , as cited by "M . 0 . " — "That the bretlirenma , y

not suffer for want of proper instruction , "—but nothing about a candidate may not suffer by the absence of a Master . I know that all this work is presumed to be done in lodges of instruction , but the Warden has no right to usurp the duties of an installed Master , because the lodges of instruction take upon themselves his functions . Let him be faithful in that which is least , before he claims to be entrusted with that which is much . Bnfc

"M . C . " writes an imaginary case , but "founded on those of daily occurrence . " ( How a case can be imaginary which is founded on daily occurrence is as unintelligible to me , as my comparative philology is to him . ) A lodge has been summoned in which ceremonies have to be performed , but the Master is not there to do his duty , and no P . M . present , I presume , I hone such a case is imaginary of

exceptional , and not of daily occurrence . I hope the Masters of lodges , as a rule , are gentlemen , and men of business , and that no Master would commit an act of something Worse than rudeness as to have the lodge summoned for such business and not attend to it , either by his own presence ; or providing a fit and proper person to discharge his dubies for him . If a clergyman for some

cause absents himself from his duties he provides a substitute and does not leave it to chance , his churchwardens , or his parish clerk to discharge them . As to that unfortunate Saxon word Warden , I cited some officers , ancient and modern , bearing that name , and exercising extraordinary powers . " M . 0 . " says , " In no one case does his definition of an irresponsible

head apply to a warden who was tho chief executive officer under the head . " The curious may satisfy themselves by reading the exploits of many of these Lord Wardens in the good old feudal times , and be puzzled to know sometimes who was the head if not the Lord Warden . But " M . 0 . " allows thab the word Warden is from the pure low Dutch waerdenand means a "keeper

. , a guardian , a head officer . " It must allude then to the Master and nob to the Warden of the lodge , for a Warden has nothing to keep , nothing to guard , nor is he a head officer .

Merton College , Oxford , was founded in 1274 ; it consists of a Warden , 24 Fellows , 14 Past Masters , 4 Scholars , 2 Chaplains , and 2 Clerks . New College , Oxford , founded 1386 , for a Warden , 70 Fellows , 10 Chaplains , an Organist , 3 Clerks , and 16 Choristers . All Souls ' College , Oxford , founded 1437 and 1444 , consists of a Warden , 40 Fellows , 2 Chaplains , and 7 Clerks . Wadham Oxford

College , , was founded 1612 ; it consists of a Warden , 15 Fellows , 15 Scholars , 2 Chaplains , and 2 Clerks . These Wardens are the " heads of colleges : " how then can they be the " chief executive officers under heads " ? When " M . 0 . " has settled with the lexicographer of the Glasgow University , I will pass him over to the above " Dons " of the Oxford University . On page 359 , the paragraph at the bottom ofthe page :

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CYCLOPIAN REMAINS NEAR ROME. Article 1
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 3
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 5
CAN A WARDEN INITIATE, &c. Article 7
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 9
PROVINCIAL. Article 9
ROYAL ARCH. Article 14
AUSTRALIA. Article 15
INDIA. Article 17
PUBLIC AMUSEMENTS. Article 17
NOTES ON MUSIC AND THE DRAMA. Article 18
FINE ARTS. Article 18
THE WEEK. Article 18
TO CORRESPONDENTS . Article 20
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Correspondence.

well known in this country in 1314 , and Dr . Leeson discovered traces of it in Holland in 1459 ; indeed , I cannot help being of opinion that , with certain modifications , it is founded on , if not identical with , the ancient Templar ceremony . Of the Kadosh degree , Dr . Leeson says , in the constitutions and lawsapproved of on St . John ' s Day 1720

, , , by Grand Lodge , the Duke of Montague Grand Master , all Masons were commanded to acknowledge Elected Knights , Kadosh , Superintendents , Knights of Palestine , Princes of Jerusalem , & c . Bro . "Ebor" most unintentionally asserts that I said that a century before 1813 the same Templar ritual was in full force in this country . . 1 never made use of any such words . There is a material

difference between the Erench and English ritual of the Order of the Temple ; it was impossible , without grossly profaning the services of the Eoman Catholic Church , to adopt tho ancient ceremony in its entirety in a Protestant community . Grand Conclave , in the revision of 1833 , erred too much , perhaps , on the other side . The . same be said of the revised ritual of the Knihts

may g -of Malta , if worked as in the Mount Calvary and Stuart Encampments ; with all proper adjuncts , it is as imposing , if not more so , than that of the Order of the Temple . The pass of Malta is no Masonic tradition , bub an historical fact . By the constitutions of the Erench Langue , in 1254 , no pilgrim could visit the Holy Land without a pass from the Holy Eoyal Arch brethren of Paris ; this

• order was attached to the Hospitallers of Saint John of Jerusalem , since called the Knights of Malta . It was purely sacerdotal , and very different from the Masonic E . A . degree , founded by the Chevalier Eamsa-y some centuries later . I am , dear Sir and Brother , yours fraternally , . November 10 , 1863 . EOSA CIUTCIS .

Can A Warden Initiate, &C.

CAN A WARDEN INITIATE , & c .

TO THE EDITOR OF THE FKEEHASONS MAGAZINE AND MASONIC IMmOl ! . DEAR SIR AKD BROTHER , — "M . C . " has followed the example of most unsuccessful disputants . The arguments are against him , and he endeavours to diverge into other topics , aud so draw the attention away from the real question at isssue— "Can a Warden Initiate "—which - will not bo settled by the looseness of my " comparative

philology , " or my putting the cart before the horse when alluding to the York and Athol lodges . In entering upon the dispute , I had no intention to appear as a philologist . When I said the term " "Warden " is a Saxon word , I only followed the custom which , in my . general reading , I observe is adopted by most , if not all authors ( unless upon an ethnological subject ) to ive the

, g general term Saxon to words ivhich belong to the Teutonic family , whether they be old Saxon or low German , the Dutch , Flemings , or the Saxon of Transylvania , though I think exceptions are often made to the Scandinavian branch . However , I have not made comparative philology a parfcicular ' study , and will leave- " M . C . " to those who have , particularly to the lexicographer , J . the author of

Cragg , "An Etymological , Technological , -and Pronouncing Dictionary of the English Language , " in which the word Warden ( ward ) is thus rendered , " Waerdean , Saxon ; Gnarder , French ; Guardare , Italian ; b-uardar , Spanish . " The hypercriticism of "M . 0 . " deserves a compliment . Neither did I intend to give a detailed account of the heretofore

two Grand Lodges , but used the terms indiscriminately , as they are used in passing conversation by Masons at the present day , and I tender " M . C . " my acknowledgments for the able manner in which he has corroborated and enlarged upon my assertion as to their being before the union , in 1813 , two Grand Lod ges with identical landmarks , but differently constituted . I have also to express my obligation to " M . O , " in pointing out my apparent inconsistency , by quoting my words as follows : — " Here is nothing about taking an

apprentice , only as to ' the management of the Craft in working , ' id . est , work already in hand , and in that sense only may a Warden rule a lodge at the present day ; " and then he draws certain inferences which I admit may present themselves to a superficial reader . Does " M . C . " mean that the working of a lodge is confined to the business named in the summons to the

members ? If so , I join issue with him . The "W . M . has , when he has opened his lodge , to employ and instruct the brethren in E . M . If the W . M . be absent , ^ jind no P . M . willing to occupy the chair , it should not only be a Warden ' s right but a Warden ' s duty to instruct the E . A . 's , and prepare them for passing by the Master ; and should he ( the Warden ) open the lodge in

the second degree , he should do so for the instruction and improvement of the craftsmen , and guide them , to a knowledge of that sacred symbol which will fit them to be raised by the W . M . to the sublime third degree . These I take to be some of the ancient landmarks of the Order , and to which allusion is made in the charges to the Wardens , as cited by "M . 0 . " — "That the bretlirenma , y

not suffer for want of proper instruction , "—but nothing about a candidate may not suffer by the absence of a Master . I know that all this work is presumed to be done in lodges of instruction , but the Warden has no right to usurp the duties of an installed Master , because the lodges of instruction take upon themselves his functions . Let him be faithful in that which is least , before he claims to be entrusted with that which is much . Bnfc

"M . C . " writes an imaginary case , but "founded on those of daily occurrence . " ( How a case can be imaginary which is founded on daily occurrence is as unintelligible to me , as my comparative philology is to him . ) A lodge has been summoned in which ceremonies have to be performed , but the Master is not there to do his duty , and no P . M . present , I presume , I hone such a case is imaginary of

exceptional , and not of daily occurrence . I hope the Masters of lodges , as a rule , are gentlemen , and men of business , and that no Master would commit an act of something Worse than rudeness as to have the lodge summoned for such business and not attend to it , either by his own presence ; or providing a fit and proper person to discharge his dubies for him . If a clergyman for some

cause absents himself from his duties he provides a substitute and does not leave it to chance , his churchwardens , or his parish clerk to discharge them . As to that unfortunate Saxon word Warden , I cited some officers , ancient and modern , bearing that name , and exercising extraordinary powers . " M . 0 . " says , " In no one case does his definition of an irresponsible

head apply to a warden who was tho chief executive officer under the head . " The curious may satisfy themselves by reading the exploits of many of these Lord Wardens in the good old feudal times , and be puzzled to know sometimes who was the head if not the Lord Warden . But " M . 0 . " allows thab the word Warden is from the pure low Dutch waerdenand means a "keeper

. , a guardian , a head officer . " It must allude then to the Master and nob to the Warden of the lodge , for a Warden has nothing to keep , nothing to guard , nor is he a head officer .

Merton College , Oxford , was founded in 1274 ; it consists of a Warden , 24 Fellows , 14 Past Masters , 4 Scholars , 2 Chaplains , and 2 Clerks . New College , Oxford , founded 1386 , for a Warden , 70 Fellows , 10 Chaplains , an Organist , 3 Clerks , and 16 Choristers . All Souls ' College , Oxford , founded 1437 and 1444 , consists of a Warden , 40 Fellows , 2 Chaplains , and 7 Clerks . Wadham Oxford

College , , was founded 1612 ; it consists of a Warden , 15 Fellows , 15 Scholars , 2 Chaplains , and 2 Clerks . These Wardens are the " heads of colleges : " how then can they be the " chief executive officers under heads " ? When " M . 0 . " has settled with the lexicographer of the Glasgow University , I will pass him over to the above " Dons " of the Oxford University . On page 359 , the paragraph at the bottom ofthe page :

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