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of Masons , of incorporating Masons , of apprenticing for seven years , of acquiring membership by marriage with a freeman's daughter , of examination in the Masoncraft , of clerk ' s and officer ' s dues , of instituting a lodge of the free incorporated Masons of Glasgow , of impeding the erection of other lodges , of enabling

this lodge to grant charters . All the rest is equally monstrous . It will be rare news for the writers on constitutional history , the legists and archaeologists in England , Scotland , France , Belgium , Holland , and Germany , and I may say Mr . Punch , who will not , I

hope , get hold of this strange production . If this so-called charter was produced before the Court of Session , it would he the duty of the Court to impound it , and the Lord Advocate or his deputy would be very usefully employed in prosecuting the forger , if still alive ; for it is an impudent forgery , executed since the year 1740 , and perhaps comparatively recently . Tours fraternally , E , T .

New Degrees.

NEW DEGREES .

TO THE EDITOK 03 ? THE JPEEEMASOSS' MAGAZINE AXD MASONIC MIKKOB . Dear Sir and Brother , —Noticing in your pages the proceedings of a new degree , professing to be a continuation of an old one , I cannot help asking the projectors of these inventions and revivals , what legitimate object can be gained by these exhibitions of

Masonry in various shapes . The thirty-three degrees of the A . and A . Eite , or rather thirty without the Craft degrees , were the compression of the host of degrees existing about a century ago . What is their fate ? In France they were compressed to four , and these are rarely worked . Practically one

degree is worked out of thirty , sometimes one more . The end is that these attempts to trim the Craft degrees only go on for a short time , leaving the Craft degrees in full vigour , consigning the older or newer degrees to the limbo of oblivion , and not unfrequently the authors and members to ridicule . One is

tempted to say , let us have fewer degrees and more Masonry . Tours fraternallv , M . M .

Royal Arch, And Some Other Questions.

ROYAL ARCH , AND SOME OTHER QUESTIONS .

TO IHE EDITOB OE THE EKEEMASOXS' ilAGAZISE AJSB ' JIASONIO MIXED ]) . Dear Sir and Brother , —I am very much rejoiced to find again the name of my dear and noble friend , Bro . Woodford , in the pages of the Magazine , although I cannot agree with him on some points of Masonic history . He may doubt my good

intentions and estimation of him , being his opponent . What I have to say on the Eoyal Arch I have said in _ my "History of Freemasonry , " p . 139 , seep Hitherto no brother has proved the contrary , and I am convinced nobody can do so . Had the Eoyal Arch degree existed bofore 173540

_ -, it would have been worked by the new lodges in France from 1725-29 , in Germany from 1733-39 , or m Ireland in 1730 , and in Scotland in 1736 , when the Grand Lodges were instituted . Why , my dear brother ,

Royal Arch, And Some Other Questions.

if this degree was in existence , Avas it not known before 1735-45 in any of these countries ? And further , if it was in existence , why did not Pritchard know it in 1730 , when he published the Eitual of the three degrees of the Grand Lodge of England . Why don't Ave meet Avith the name of the Eoya

Arch degree in any book on Masonry or in any document like a warrant prior to 1740 ? My learned Bro . Woodford ( Magazine for Jan . 2-5 , p . 67 ) makes the admission that it existed not in name but in substance . What does this mean ? He

is of opinion that the substance of the Eoyal Arch was connected with the third degree as a second part . To this I reply , "A kingdom for a single proof of this assertion ! " From what authentic source has my dear brother the statement that at any time the third degree had a second part , and what were its symbols , traditions , ancl ceremonies ?

The third degree is , without any doubt , of comparatively modern origin ; it may have arisen subsequently to 1724 , as the Masonic historian , Bro . W . Keller has it , or some years before 1680 , as appears from Document C of the Appendix to my " History of Freemasonry . " We have not the slightest proof that a third degree was in existence before that time ;

but , on the contrary , we know from all ancient Constitutions and other documents that the fraternity of Freemasons consisted only of brethren and fellows , with a Master as presiding member .

Further , we know from Pritchard that in 1730 the third degree was very short , and had no " second part . " Another proof that the third degree had no second part is the fact that the Grand Lodge of Englandi . e ., the . oldest regular body of modern Masonsmade no alterations in the third

degreenotwith-, standing members of their lodges were anxious to become initiated in the Eoyal Arch , theu only worked by the schismatic Grand Lodge of the so-called ancient or Tork Masons ( founded about 1739 or later ) . Well 1 If the Eoyal Arch Avas the substance of the second part of the third degree , would tha

modern Masons not have had it in the third degree , and could . they have desired the Eoyal Arch ? Would not , in such a case , the Grand Lodge of England ( modern Masons ) have declared to her brethren , Never mind the Eoyal Arch of the ancients , for we have the substance of it as " second part" of our

third degree ? I suppose Bro . Woodford has asserted something which cannot be made to agree with the real history of the Craft , ancl must , therefore , remain a beautiful dream , as long as it is not made possible , not to say proved . He may look at the Articles of the Union of the two Grand Lodges of 1813 there

; he will find that the original Graud Lodge of England Avas not obliged to give up a " second part" of the third degree , because this degree was the same as that of the aucients . The Eoyal Arch Avas quite a new degree . Hitherto the Grand Lodge of Scotland has not acknowledged it .

But I can with pleasure concede to my generous friend that the substance of the Eoyal Arch was in existence before it was worked as a separate degree under the name of E . A . —i . e ., its substance was that of some other higher degrees then flourishing in France and Germany ( Scotch degree , Knight of the Burning Bush . Eed Cross , & c ) From these degrees

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CORRESPONDENCE. Article 8
NEW DEGREES. Article 9
ROYAL ARCH, AND SOME OTHER QUESTIONS. Article 9
RELIEF. Article 10
BOX BROWN. Article 10
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FATHER SUFFIELD AND FREEMASONRY. Article 11
M.W. BRO . ROBERTMORRIS. Article 12
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MUSIC FOR CONSECRATION SANCTUS. Article 13
MASONIC MEMS. Article 14
METROPOLITAN. Article 14
PROVINCIAL. Article 16
SCOTLAND. Article 18
ROYAL ARCH. Article 19
MARK MASONEY. Article 19
RED CROSS KNIGHTS OF CONSTANTINE. Article 19
MEETINGS OF THE LEARNED SOCIETIES FOR THE WEEK ENDING FEBRUARY 22ND, 1868. Article 20
METROPOLITAN LODGE MEETINGS, ETC., FOR THE WEEK ENDING FEBRUARY 22ND, 1868. Article 20
MEETINGS OF THE LEARNED SOCIETIES FOR THE WEEK ENDING FEBRUARY 22ND,1868. Article 20
MASONIC LIFE-BOAT FUND. Article 20
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Correspondence.

of Masons , of incorporating Masons , of apprenticing for seven years , of acquiring membership by marriage with a freeman's daughter , of examination in the Masoncraft , of clerk ' s and officer ' s dues , of instituting a lodge of the free incorporated Masons of Glasgow , of impeding the erection of other lodges , of enabling

this lodge to grant charters . All the rest is equally monstrous . It will be rare news for the writers on constitutional history , the legists and archaeologists in England , Scotland , France , Belgium , Holland , and Germany , and I may say Mr . Punch , who will not , I

hope , get hold of this strange production . If this so-called charter was produced before the Court of Session , it would he the duty of the Court to impound it , and the Lord Advocate or his deputy would be very usefully employed in prosecuting the forger , if still alive ; for it is an impudent forgery , executed since the year 1740 , and perhaps comparatively recently . Tours fraternally , E , T .

New Degrees.

NEW DEGREES .

TO THE EDITOK 03 ? THE JPEEEMASOSS' MAGAZINE AXD MASONIC MIKKOB . Dear Sir and Brother , —Noticing in your pages the proceedings of a new degree , professing to be a continuation of an old one , I cannot help asking the projectors of these inventions and revivals , what legitimate object can be gained by these exhibitions of

Masonry in various shapes . The thirty-three degrees of the A . and A . Eite , or rather thirty without the Craft degrees , were the compression of the host of degrees existing about a century ago . What is their fate ? In France they were compressed to four , and these are rarely worked . Practically one

degree is worked out of thirty , sometimes one more . The end is that these attempts to trim the Craft degrees only go on for a short time , leaving the Craft degrees in full vigour , consigning the older or newer degrees to the limbo of oblivion , and not unfrequently the authors and members to ridicule . One is

tempted to say , let us have fewer degrees and more Masonry . Tours fraternallv , M . M .

Royal Arch, And Some Other Questions.

ROYAL ARCH , AND SOME OTHER QUESTIONS .

TO IHE EDITOB OE THE EKEEMASOXS' ilAGAZISE AJSB ' JIASONIO MIXED ]) . Dear Sir and Brother , —I am very much rejoiced to find again the name of my dear and noble friend , Bro . Woodford , in the pages of the Magazine , although I cannot agree with him on some points of Masonic history . He may doubt my good

intentions and estimation of him , being his opponent . What I have to say on the Eoyal Arch I have said in _ my "History of Freemasonry , " p . 139 , seep Hitherto no brother has proved the contrary , and I am convinced nobody can do so . Had the Eoyal Arch degree existed bofore 173540

_ -, it would have been worked by the new lodges in France from 1725-29 , in Germany from 1733-39 , or m Ireland in 1730 , and in Scotland in 1736 , when the Grand Lodges were instituted . Why , my dear brother ,

Royal Arch, And Some Other Questions.

if this degree was in existence , Avas it not known before 1735-45 in any of these countries ? And further , if it was in existence , why did not Pritchard know it in 1730 , when he published the Eitual of the three degrees of the Grand Lodge of England . Why don't Ave meet Avith the name of the Eoya

Arch degree in any book on Masonry or in any document like a warrant prior to 1740 ? My learned Bro . Woodford ( Magazine for Jan . 2-5 , p . 67 ) makes the admission that it existed not in name but in substance . What does this mean ? He

is of opinion that the substance of the Eoyal Arch was connected with the third degree as a second part . To this I reply , "A kingdom for a single proof of this assertion ! " From what authentic source has my dear brother the statement that at any time the third degree had a second part , and what were its symbols , traditions , ancl ceremonies ?

The third degree is , without any doubt , of comparatively modern origin ; it may have arisen subsequently to 1724 , as the Masonic historian , Bro . W . Keller has it , or some years before 1680 , as appears from Document C of the Appendix to my " History of Freemasonry . " We have not the slightest proof that a third degree was in existence before that time ;

but , on the contrary , we know from all ancient Constitutions and other documents that the fraternity of Freemasons consisted only of brethren and fellows , with a Master as presiding member .

Further , we know from Pritchard that in 1730 the third degree was very short , and had no " second part . " Another proof that the third degree had no second part is the fact that the Grand Lodge of Englandi . e ., the . oldest regular body of modern Masonsmade no alterations in the third

degreenotwith-, standing members of their lodges were anxious to become initiated in the Eoyal Arch , theu only worked by the schismatic Grand Lodge of the so-called ancient or Tork Masons ( founded about 1739 or later ) . Well 1 If the Eoyal Arch Avas the substance of the second part of the third degree , would tha

modern Masons not have had it in the third degree , and could . they have desired the Eoyal Arch ? Would not , in such a case , the Grand Lodge of England ( modern Masons ) have declared to her brethren , Never mind the Eoyal Arch of the ancients , for we have the substance of it as " second part" of our

third degree ? I suppose Bro . Woodford has asserted something which cannot be made to agree with the real history of the Craft , ancl must , therefore , remain a beautiful dream , as long as it is not made possible , not to say proved . He may look at the Articles of the Union of the two Grand Lodges of 1813 there

; he will find that the original Graud Lodge of England Avas not obliged to give up a " second part" of the third degree , because this degree was the same as that of the aucients . The Eoyal Arch Avas quite a new degree . Hitherto the Grand Lodge of Scotland has not acknowledged it .

But I can with pleasure concede to my generous friend that the substance of the Eoyal Arch was in existence before it was worked as a separate degree under the name of E . A . —i . e ., its substance was that of some other higher degrees then flourishing in France and Germany ( Scotch degree , Knight of the Burning Bush . Eed Cross , & c ) From these degrees

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