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Correspondence.

Masons , and are supposed to have been frequently initiated among the Syrian fraternity . On the dissolution of their Order in the 14 th century , the Provincial Grand Master of Auvergne , Pierre d'Aumont , with two Commanders and five Knights fled disguised as Masons to one of the Scottish isles , where they

found the Grand Commander Hamptoncourt , and other members of their Order ; and they resolved to preserve the institution , if possible , although in secret , and adopted many of the forms of the Ereemasons to conceal their real designs . They held a chapter on St . John ' s Day 1313 when D'Aumont

, , was chosen Grand Master , and in 1361 their seat was removed to Aberdeen , and by degrees the Order spread , under the veil of Preemasonry , over great part of the Continent , though its rank and power were at an end . Now , sir , which am I to believe—a respectable and unprejudiced authoritlike the " Encyclopcedia

y Metropolitana , " supported as it is by the greatest light in modern Masonry , Dr . Oliver , or the selfconstituted President General of the Masonic Literary Hnion ? Yours fraternally , A KNIGHT TEMPLAE .

EED CEOSS KNIGHTS . 50 THE EDITOE 01 ? THE ESEE _ lIASOSS' MAGAZINE AND HASOISIC 3 II 3 E 0 E . DEAE SIB AND BEOTHEE , —In the last number of the Freemasons' Magazine , under the above title , there is an account of the meeting of the Eose and Lily Conclave , in which it is stated that , in the course of

the evening , the G . Eecorder , Sir Knt . Little , undertook to confer the dignity of K . H . S . and Knight of St . John upon all members of the conclave who were also Eoyal Arch Masons , in conformity with'an edict to that effect recently promulgated by the Grand Council .

May I ask Bro . Little by what authority the degree of Knight of St . John ( of Jerusalem , I presume ) , is given in a conclave of Eed Cross Knights ? I was under the impression that that degree could only be conferred in a Priory of Malta , under the Grand Conclave of Knights Templar and Knights of St .

John of Jerusalem and Malta . Perhaps Bro . Little will oblige us with a little information upon this subject . Yours fraternally , A KNIGHT TEMPLAB AND KNIGHT OP THE EOYAL OEDEE OE SCOTLAND . [ We believe the degree referred to is not the same

as a Knight of Malta , and , indeed , has nothing to do with it , the degree of Knight of St . John only beingconferred as appendant to the degree of that of the K . H . S .-ED . P . M . 1

THE TWELVE TEIBES . TO THE EDITOR OF THE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AUD MASONIC MIEJiOH . DEAE SIB AND BEOTHEE , —In your valuable Magazine of llth August , 1 S 60 , you give the ground colours of the banners of the twelve tribes , omitting those of Levi ancl Joseph in inserting the two half

tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh . If the above is correct , what are the devices for the banners of E . and M ., as they are not given in the 49 th chapter of Genesis ; and what is the ground colour for Joseph ?

Correspondence.

Can you at the same time inform me the order in which the banners should be placed in the chapter ? Your reply will greatly oblige a constant reader . Yours fraternally , H . HOTHAM , P . Z . Chapter de Sussex . Neweastle-on-Tyne , June 4 th , 1 SG 7 .

[ The colour ofthe standard of Ephraim was green , and the device an ox . The ensign of the tribe of Mannasseh ( or Joseph ) was flesh colour , and the device is a fruitful bough growing by a well , with luxuriant branches running over the wall . The E . A . tracing board gives the order in which

the banners or ensigns should he placed , viz .: first on the left of the M . E . Z . is Judah—a lion surmounted by a crown and sceptre—then follows Issachar , an . ass couching beneath its burdens ; Zebulum , a ship ; Ruben , a man or running water ; Simeon and Levi , a sword and dagger ; Gad , a troop of horsemen ;

Ephraim , an ox ; Mannassa , a bough growing by a well ; Dan , an eagle—it is also represented by a serpent biting the heels of a horse ; Asher , a cup ; Naphtalh a hind . The ensign of Simeon and Levi was yellow ; they were represented by implements of war , the former by a sword , the latter by a dagger . ]

10 THE EDITOR OF THE FREEMASONS MAGAZINE AND MASONIC HIRROE ; DEAE SIE AND BROTHER , —Doubtless some good brother at Madras will have informed you of the great loss our district has suffered in the death of our District Grand' Master , Major-General AVilliam Pitt Macdonald . Too much cannot be said in praise of so good a

man and Mason . His lodge at Madras had a funeral service to his memory , and Lodge Victoria in Burmah ( No . 832 ) , the Master of which had beeu his friend for upwards of thirty-years , had also a service . This I enclose a copy of , as also of the letter of condolence sent to his bereaved widow . The addresses are by E . W . Bro . Colonel Greenlaw , P . S . G . Warden of England , ancl G . M . of 832 . We naturally ask ourselves what will be the fate of the Order in Madras ?

Who is there " able and willing" to undertake the work ? There are those willing to take the honour , but are they willing to work , and , if willing , are they able ? We hope the M . W . the Grand Master will not nominate a successor till he is certain the person is fit . The brethren feel that in Madras they require

oneat their head who has the Order at heart , who is a steady , temperate man , and one ivho is conversant with all the rules and working of the Order , and look with some anxiety at the selection . Yours fraternally . Rangoon , 25 th April , 1 S 67 . J . J ) .

THE LATE BEO . MAJOE-GENEEAL MACDONALD , D . G . MASTER POR MADRAS .

The following is the address of condolence above referred to : — Lodge Victoria in Burmah ( No . S 32 ) , Eaugoon , 16 th April , 1 SG 7 . To Mrs . Macdonald . Madam—Wethe MasterPast MastersWardens

, , , , , and Pellows of Lodge Victoria in Burmah ( No . 832 ) , have just received , with deep concern , the intelligence of your sad bereavement , aud of the severe loss experienced by our Order by the demise of TOUT

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PICKINGS UP, JOTTINGS DOWN, AND SUGGESTIONS DONE IN THE ROUGH. Article 5
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CORRESPONDENCE. Article 8
THE PRIVILEGES OF A LEWIS. Article 10
MASONIC MEMS. Article 11
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METROPOLITAN. Article 11
PROVINCIAL. Article 12
IRELAND. Article 13
CHANNEL ISLANDS. Article 15
INDIA. Article 17
KNIGHTS TEMPLAR. Article 18
MEETINGS OF THE SCIENTIFIC AND LEARNED SOCIETIES FOR THE WEEK ENDING JUNE Article 18
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TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Correspondence.

Masons , and are supposed to have been frequently initiated among the Syrian fraternity . On the dissolution of their Order in the 14 th century , the Provincial Grand Master of Auvergne , Pierre d'Aumont , with two Commanders and five Knights fled disguised as Masons to one of the Scottish isles , where they

found the Grand Commander Hamptoncourt , and other members of their Order ; and they resolved to preserve the institution , if possible , although in secret , and adopted many of the forms of the Ereemasons to conceal their real designs . They held a chapter on St . John ' s Day 1313 when D'Aumont

, , was chosen Grand Master , and in 1361 their seat was removed to Aberdeen , and by degrees the Order spread , under the veil of Preemasonry , over great part of the Continent , though its rank and power were at an end . Now , sir , which am I to believe—a respectable and unprejudiced authoritlike the " Encyclopcedia

y Metropolitana , " supported as it is by the greatest light in modern Masonry , Dr . Oliver , or the selfconstituted President General of the Masonic Literary Hnion ? Yours fraternally , A KNIGHT TEMPLAE .

EED CEOSS KNIGHTS . 50 THE EDITOE 01 ? THE ESEE _ lIASOSS' MAGAZINE AND HASOISIC 3 II 3 E 0 E . DEAE SIB AND BEOTHEE , —In the last number of the Freemasons' Magazine , under the above title , there is an account of the meeting of the Eose and Lily Conclave , in which it is stated that , in the course of

the evening , the G . Eecorder , Sir Knt . Little , undertook to confer the dignity of K . H . S . and Knight of St . John upon all members of the conclave who were also Eoyal Arch Masons , in conformity with'an edict to that effect recently promulgated by the Grand Council .

May I ask Bro . Little by what authority the degree of Knight of St . John ( of Jerusalem , I presume ) , is given in a conclave of Eed Cross Knights ? I was under the impression that that degree could only be conferred in a Priory of Malta , under the Grand Conclave of Knights Templar and Knights of St .

John of Jerusalem and Malta . Perhaps Bro . Little will oblige us with a little information upon this subject . Yours fraternally , A KNIGHT TEMPLAB AND KNIGHT OP THE EOYAL OEDEE OE SCOTLAND . [ We believe the degree referred to is not the same

as a Knight of Malta , and , indeed , has nothing to do with it , the degree of Knight of St . John only beingconferred as appendant to the degree of that of the K . H . S .-ED . P . M . 1

THE TWELVE TEIBES . TO THE EDITOR OF THE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AUD MASONIC MIEJiOH . DEAE SIB AND BEOTHEE , —In your valuable Magazine of llth August , 1 S 60 , you give the ground colours of the banners of the twelve tribes , omitting those of Levi ancl Joseph in inserting the two half

tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh . If the above is correct , what are the devices for the banners of E . and M ., as they are not given in the 49 th chapter of Genesis ; and what is the ground colour for Joseph ?

Correspondence.

Can you at the same time inform me the order in which the banners should be placed in the chapter ? Your reply will greatly oblige a constant reader . Yours fraternally , H . HOTHAM , P . Z . Chapter de Sussex . Neweastle-on-Tyne , June 4 th , 1 SG 7 .

[ The colour ofthe standard of Ephraim was green , and the device an ox . The ensign of the tribe of Mannasseh ( or Joseph ) was flesh colour , and the device is a fruitful bough growing by a well , with luxuriant branches running over the wall . The E . A . tracing board gives the order in which

the banners or ensigns should he placed , viz .: first on the left of the M . E . Z . is Judah—a lion surmounted by a crown and sceptre—then follows Issachar , an . ass couching beneath its burdens ; Zebulum , a ship ; Ruben , a man or running water ; Simeon and Levi , a sword and dagger ; Gad , a troop of horsemen ;

Ephraim , an ox ; Mannassa , a bough growing by a well ; Dan , an eagle—it is also represented by a serpent biting the heels of a horse ; Asher , a cup ; Naphtalh a hind . The ensign of Simeon and Levi was yellow ; they were represented by implements of war , the former by a sword , the latter by a dagger . ]

10 THE EDITOR OF THE FREEMASONS MAGAZINE AND MASONIC HIRROE ; DEAE SIE AND BROTHER , —Doubtless some good brother at Madras will have informed you of the great loss our district has suffered in the death of our District Grand' Master , Major-General AVilliam Pitt Macdonald . Too much cannot be said in praise of so good a

man and Mason . His lodge at Madras had a funeral service to his memory , and Lodge Victoria in Burmah ( No . 832 ) , the Master of which had beeu his friend for upwards of thirty-years , had also a service . This I enclose a copy of , as also of the letter of condolence sent to his bereaved widow . The addresses are by E . W . Bro . Colonel Greenlaw , P . S . G . Warden of England , ancl G . M . of 832 . We naturally ask ourselves what will be the fate of the Order in Madras ?

Who is there " able and willing" to undertake the work ? There are those willing to take the honour , but are they willing to work , and , if willing , are they able ? We hope the M . W . the Grand Master will not nominate a successor till he is certain the person is fit . The brethren feel that in Madras they require

oneat their head who has the Order at heart , who is a steady , temperate man , and one ivho is conversant with all the rules and working of the Order , and look with some anxiety at the selection . Yours fraternally . Rangoon , 25 th April , 1 S 67 . J . J ) .

THE LATE BEO . MAJOE-GENEEAL MACDONALD , D . G . MASTER POR MADRAS .

The following is the address of condolence above referred to : — Lodge Victoria in Burmah ( No . S 32 ) , Eaugoon , 16 th April , 1 SG 7 . To Mrs . Macdonald . Madam—Wethe MasterPast MastersWardens

, , , , , and Pellows of Lodge Victoria in Burmah ( No . 832 ) , have just received , with deep concern , the intelligence of your sad bereavement , aud of the severe loss experienced by our Order by the demise of TOUT

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