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Masonic Notes And Queries.

THE WOED " TEUE . " A correspondent is rig ht in a-remark that he makes respecting the application of the word "true , " both to universal Freemasonry and particular Freemasonry . lb should be borne in mind that universal Freema"sonry is true Freemasonry absolutely ; but no particular Freemasonry is true Freemasonry absolutely . — " 0 . P . COOPEE .

MOTHER KILWINNING S CHAETEES . Record seems not to have been preserved of charters granted by Mother Kilwinning for the establishment of lodges anterior to the year 1 G 77 . —From Bro-PUETON COOPEE ' Masonic Memoranda .

EOSA CETJCIS . See a letter thus signed , and entitled " Theism and Deism , " page 69 of the present volume . For reasons which will readily occur to the minds of those having any experience of literary discussion and controversy , the complaints which Biosa Crucis briugs against my

communications must be left to the judgment of intelligent readers . It will be assumed that there exist no materials of defence , or excuse , except such as may be found in the communications themselves . —C . P . COOPEE .

DUTIES OP OPEIOEES . In the belief that the pages of your valuable Magazine would be a fitting medium for the interchange of opinion on Masonic subjects , I think it letter to withhold names of persons and places , so that personalities may be kept out of the discussion .

The following cases for the opinion of Masonic ¦ jurists are presented as a first instalment : —1 st . A Past Master having for some years ceased to subscribe to any lodge , is employed as Tyler , can he constitutionally be permitted to work the ceremonies of the lodge , the Master being unable to

do his own work ? 2 nd . Can a brother other than a "Warden , Master , or Past Master , hold any office in a Provincial Lodge ? 3 rd . Are Provincial Grand honours conferred for the life of the reci pient so long as he . is a subscribing member to some lodge in the province , or does the honour terminate with the ¦ life of the grantor ?—ALPHA .

THEISTS . All members of the English Lodge are necessaril y Theists . They are Christian Theists , Hebrew Theists , Parsee Theists , Mahommedau Theists , or Natural Theists . —From Bro . PUETON COOPEE ' Manuscript Masonic Collections .

NOAOHIAN DELUGE . A brother , who describes himself as the Chaplain of a North Country Lodge , is mistaken . The law does not require a clergyman of the Church of England to believe the Bible narrative of the Noachian deluge . —C . P . COOPEE .

THE LAAVS OP NATUEE . Bro . " J . W . S ., " some of the laws of nature are known , aud some are unknown ; but the known and the unknown laws alike are manifestations of the Will of the Great Architect of the Universe . —C P . COOPEE .

Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

The Editor is not responsible for the opinions expressed by Correspondents CHIYALEOITS MAS ONE Y .

TO THE EDITOR OF THE FREEMASONS JIAGAZIIfE AXD MASONIC HiaROH . Dear Sir and Brother , —Being appealed to on a benevolent errand of Masonic charity hy Bro . "W . H . J . in your most valuable Magazine of all true Masonry , let me be allowed to thank him for the compliment . I do not want to compete with any brotheror to take the bread of Masonic chivalry out

, of any other brother ' s mouth , but I shall be glad to help Bro . ~ W . H . J ., so far as I can legitimately , if he will favour me with his private address , and will even help his brother Bro . iu Japan , if I can—always , as I say , legitimately , and according to the constitutions of the several Orders of Masonic Knighthood to

which I belong . It may be some objection to me that I cannot just yet assist him so far as to make him a Prince Mason , not having yet gone into that business , but may , and confining myself at present to the legitimate branch of Masonic Orders of Knighthood , in which I flatter myself no other brother can compete . The beauty of my system is that it is a quintessence , and it will not

inflict on initiates the tedium of other systems . No other brother , so far as I know , has given more than seven degrees successively at one sitting , not even on the occasion referred to at Jersey or Guernsey ; now I undertake to confer twenty Orders of Masonic Knighthood , with suitable ritual , at one sitting . The beauty of my system is that it is founded on a system

, all the other rituals are founded on one ba . 'iis , and very much alike . Now , by combining all together in suitable proportions—the Garter , the Templar , the Eed Cross , the Bath , St . John of Jerusalem , & c . —I get a quintessence , and the candidates get what they want—their decorations and their certificates paying

their fees . I should warn Bro . "W . H . J . that none others are correct , because they are afraid to apply the principle to the full . The Eed Cross annex the K . H . S ., and the Templars the K . S . J ., but they do not go far enough . These things depend on certain natural sequences . I do not join the K . T . and K . S . J ., which were opposition orders , nor the K . E . C . C . with the K . H . S ., although it is alleged Constantine invented the one and Helena visited the other . I annex

the K . S . J , to the Order of the Garter , and the K . H . S . to the Order of the Bath , and the K . E . C . C . to the Order cf St . Andrew , so that they cannot come into collision . Speaking playfully , but earnestly—there are suitable occasions for joking in Masonry—I do not want to go to Hong Koug or Japanbut I will go to either

, in the cause of Masonry if my expenses are paid . I could go to Stamford Hill , as the gorgeous paraphanalia of the several orders and degrees is so aTauged and compressed as to go into a carpet-bag , but 1 should object to deteriorate the solemnity of the rituals in a bachelor's tea-parlour . It appears to

me , the nearest public-house is a more suitable and solemn situation for the performance of the rituals , if it has a square and compasses on it . Yours fraternally , W . HAEEIS .

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Masonic Notes And Queries.

THE WOED " TEUE . " A correspondent is rig ht in a-remark that he makes respecting the application of the word "true , " both to universal Freemasonry and particular Freemasonry . lb should be borne in mind that universal Freema"sonry is true Freemasonry absolutely ; but no particular Freemasonry is true Freemasonry absolutely . — " 0 . P . COOPEE .

MOTHER KILWINNING S CHAETEES . Record seems not to have been preserved of charters granted by Mother Kilwinning for the establishment of lodges anterior to the year 1 G 77 . —From Bro-PUETON COOPEE ' Masonic Memoranda .

EOSA CETJCIS . See a letter thus signed , and entitled " Theism and Deism , " page 69 of the present volume . For reasons which will readily occur to the minds of those having any experience of literary discussion and controversy , the complaints which Biosa Crucis briugs against my

communications must be left to the judgment of intelligent readers . It will be assumed that there exist no materials of defence , or excuse , except such as may be found in the communications themselves . —C . P . COOPEE .

DUTIES OP OPEIOEES . In the belief that the pages of your valuable Magazine would be a fitting medium for the interchange of opinion on Masonic subjects , I think it letter to withhold names of persons and places , so that personalities may be kept out of the discussion .

The following cases for the opinion of Masonic ¦ jurists are presented as a first instalment : —1 st . A Past Master having for some years ceased to subscribe to any lodge , is employed as Tyler , can he constitutionally be permitted to work the ceremonies of the lodge , the Master being unable to

do his own work ? 2 nd . Can a brother other than a "Warden , Master , or Past Master , hold any office in a Provincial Lodge ? 3 rd . Are Provincial Grand honours conferred for the life of the reci pient so long as he . is a subscribing member to some lodge in the province , or does the honour terminate with the ¦ life of the grantor ?—ALPHA .

THEISTS . All members of the English Lodge are necessaril y Theists . They are Christian Theists , Hebrew Theists , Parsee Theists , Mahommedau Theists , or Natural Theists . —From Bro . PUETON COOPEE ' Manuscript Masonic Collections .

NOAOHIAN DELUGE . A brother , who describes himself as the Chaplain of a North Country Lodge , is mistaken . The law does not require a clergyman of the Church of England to believe the Bible narrative of the Noachian deluge . —C . P . COOPEE .

THE LAAVS OP NATUEE . Bro . " J . W . S ., " some of the laws of nature are known , aud some are unknown ; but the known and the unknown laws alike are manifestations of the Will of the Great Architect of the Universe . —C P . COOPEE .

Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

The Editor is not responsible for the opinions expressed by Correspondents CHIYALEOITS MAS ONE Y .

TO THE EDITOR OF THE FREEMASONS JIAGAZIIfE AXD MASONIC HiaROH . Dear Sir and Brother , —Being appealed to on a benevolent errand of Masonic charity hy Bro . "W . H . J . in your most valuable Magazine of all true Masonry , let me be allowed to thank him for the compliment . I do not want to compete with any brotheror to take the bread of Masonic chivalry out

, of any other brother ' s mouth , but I shall be glad to help Bro . ~ W . H . J ., so far as I can legitimately , if he will favour me with his private address , and will even help his brother Bro . iu Japan , if I can—always , as I say , legitimately , and according to the constitutions of the several Orders of Masonic Knighthood to

which I belong . It may be some objection to me that I cannot just yet assist him so far as to make him a Prince Mason , not having yet gone into that business , but may , and confining myself at present to the legitimate branch of Masonic Orders of Knighthood , in which I flatter myself no other brother can compete . The beauty of my system is that it is a quintessence , and it will not

inflict on initiates the tedium of other systems . No other brother , so far as I know , has given more than seven degrees successively at one sitting , not even on the occasion referred to at Jersey or Guernsey ; now I undertake to confer twenty Orders of Masonic Knighthood , with suitable ritual , at one sitting . The beauty of my system is that it is founded on a system

, all the other rituals are founded on one ba . 'iis , and very much alike . Now , by combining all together in suitable proportions—the Garter , the Templar , the Eed Cross , the Bath , St . John of Jerusalem , & c . —I get a quintessence , and the candidates get what they want—their decorations and their certificates paying

their fees . I should warn Bro . "W . H . J . that none others are correct , because they are afraid to apply the principle to the full . The Eed Cross annex the K . H . S ., and the Templars the K . S . J ., but they do not go far enough . These things depend on certain natural sequences . I do not join the K . T . and K . S . J ., which were opposition orders , nor the K . E . C . C . with the K . H . S ., although it is alleged Constantine invented the one and Helena visited the other . I annex

the K . S . J , to the Order of the Garter , and the K . H . S . to the Order of the Bath , and the K . E . C . C . to the Order cf St . Andrew , so that they cannot come into collision . Speaking playfully , but earnestly—there are suitable occasions for joking in Masonry—I do not want to go to Hong Koug or Japanbut I will go to either

, in the cause of Masonry if my expenses are paid . I could go to Stamford Hill , as the gorgeous paraphanalia of the several orders and degrees is so aTauged and compressed as to go into a carpet-bag , but 1 should object to deteriorate the solemnity of the rituals in a bachelor's tea-parlour . It appears to

me , the nearest public-house is a more suitable and solemn situation for the performance of the rituals , if it has a square and compasses on it . Yours fraternally , W . HAEEIS .

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