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Archæology.

Exhibition of Ancient Plate , aud other articles of antiquarian interest belonging to sonic city companies . An opportunity of seeing these various objects brought together in the apartments of the Society at Somerset House , should attract an unusual gathering ofthe FolloAVs .

Masonic Notes And Queries.

MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES .

THE IT . rXCV . OV AVALES'S LODGE . Tin-: above Lodge has long been knoivn as one of the foremost for the engagement of musical brethren at its banquets ; does it possess a musical library , for many of our best glee writers have written especially for its service ?—M . C . iiAsoxir . ' I'OE'is . Has any list been compiled of poets of fame who have been

members of our Order , or is anything known of the biographies of those who have tried their hands at versification for the amusement of our Lodges at the festive board ?—E .... n II s . HIGH GT ! A 1 > ES LIBBAUY . Have the Chapters , Consistories , & c , of the high grades in England , any library , if so , where , and ivho are eligible to consult it?—KNT . E . & AA ' .

MASONIC 11 KAX FEAST . Some time since I saw a fragment only of a large poster headed " Masonic Bean Feast at— " * * * all the rest was torn away . AVho can tell me where they hold Masonic Bean Feasts?—PuraTF . u ' s DEVIL .

MASONIC PORTRAITS . In reply to an inquiry as to what Lodges have Masonic portraits , I have to inform you that my Lodge ( the St . James's , No . 707 , Handsworth ) , have a most excellent likeness of Bro . "William Lloyd . P . M ., and founder ofthe Lodge . —LEWIS .

TIIK LATE rruivv : OF WELLINGTON NOT A FREEMASON . In answer to your correspondents may I beg to refer them to a notice which was sent by me to Notes and Queries , and appeared in the second scries , vol . i ., p . 508 . June 28 th , 1856 . '' l- ' . Af . tho Duke of AVellington presents his compliments to Mr . AValsh . lie has received bis letter of the . 7 tU nit . The Duke lias no recollection of having been admitted a Freemason . Ke lias no knowledof that association

ge . " The above note appeared for the first time in print in the Freemason ' s Quarterly Magazine for April , 1851 . By its publication the oft mooted question among Masons whether or no the late Duke ivas a member of the Craft , is finally and effectually disposed of . —AV . AV ., AV . M ' ., Union Lodge , No . 588 , Malta , May 17 , I 860 . —[ We beg to refer Bro . "AV . A \ . " to pp . 149 , 168 , 18-1 , 20 !) and 230 of r ol Series

, , A . I . ( Sew ) , of The Freemasons ' ' Magazine , from June to December , 1850 , where there ivill be found several communications on this subject which prove that the late Duke of AVellington was a Freemason . Perhaps it ivill be the best way to present a summary of what has been receiveci on the point in question . At page 1 . 49 the editorial answer states , on the authority of the Dublin Freemasons' Calendar , that the Duke of Wellington ivas initiated on the 7 th of December , 1790 , in the Irish . Lodge , No . -494 , held at Trim , which Lodge had been presided over by his grace ' s father and brother , the Earl of Mni-nmo-.

ton and tbe Marquis AVellcslcy , who had both held the office of WM . of that Loelge . At p . 168 , the 111 . Bro . M . Furnell , the originator of the Irish Masonic Calendar , states that although the Lodge does not meet yet it exists on the Grand Loel ge register , and " possesses patent CA-idence of tbe initiation of our late brother , the immortal Duke of Wellington . " And he also refers us top . 91 of Oliver ' s History of Freemasonry from 1829-41 . At 184

p . ., Bro . J . Rankin Stebbing—a ivell known brother whose veracity no one can doubt—writes so important a reply that we will reprint the greater portion of it . He says the Diike was a Freemason , " ancl I am in possession of two notes from his grace to myself , one stating- that he was not a Freemason , and one acknowledging that he was . In the latter he says , "I . do not consider myself a Freemason , never having been in a Loelge but and that

once , many years ngof or words to that effect . " These notes arc carefull y put away and I cannot find them at this moment , but when I clo you shall have copies . " At p . 209 , Bro William Lloyd , of Birmingham , tells us that the Lodge , No . 494 . ' at the time of the Duke ' s initiation , was held in the castle of Dangan , in the county of Meatb , and "that he was dul y passed after the usual examination , and ( in the phraseology of the Lod" -c ) entered at the southern gate , and afterwards raised . " Bro . Llo . 'd also gives the names of no less than fifteen brethren ( many " of them subsequentl y Avorld-renowned ) as being present : and he

states that iu order to preserve so eminent a Lodge from oblivion , Bro . Christopher Carleton , W . M . and Sec , never surrendered the ivarrant , but has paid the dues out of his OAVU privy purse , to keep the warrant on the list . At p . 230 , ouv 111 . Bro . Hyde Clarke states the duke was an affiliated member of La Clenientc Amitie , Lodge of Paris , and in that capacity is commemorated "by the Lodge in the official list . " But he acids though the

Lodge has some high grades attached to it , the duke hud not been admitted to airy higher degree , " but is entered as J 1 . 31 . " At p . 170 ofthe present volume , "Galen , " a correspondent , inquires if the notes alluded to by Bro . J . Rankin Stebbing have conic to hand ? to which we replied t-hcy had not . " AV . \ Y . " is IIOAV in possession of what ire consider prima facie evidence that the Duke of Wellington was a brother Masonbut in order to

, strengthen and determine the point , we shall take the liberty of asking , in this public manner , the favours of our several brethren , who haye contributed as above , to reply to the following requests on our part . To Bno . EUIVNELL we should be much obliged if be can procure us the extract from the " patent evidence" of the Lodge books of

No . 494 , sending us a tracing of Sir Arthur A \ cllcsley's signature to any document he signed as well as a copy , not necessarily a fac similie , of the document itself . Of BRO . J . RANKIN ST ' EIIUING , Ave earnestly beg to search for the two notes promised us last year , and further ask him to send us tracings of them . BRO . AVILLIAM LLOYD , of Birmingham , ivill confer a favour

if he has any interest with Bro . Christopher Carleton , and can prevail on that brother , if living , or those who have the possession of the warrant , and most likely the books , to forward all the information thej' can afford us on the subject . From the Lodge Clemcntc Amitie , of Paris , or its Secretary , wc should consider it a personal favour if they would send ns an extract of the date when tbe Duke visited their Lodgeand also

, his name as it is enrolled in their official list . If these requests are compiled with the matter will at once be placed beyond the doubt of any individual ; but for our own part we are so well satisfied with the good faith of the abovenamed brethren , that we entertain no suspicion of the accuracy of their word ; still Ave ask them to oblige us in this endeavour to convince the sceptical and set tbe eiuestion at rest for ever . ]

ROYAL AND SELECT MASTERS . A Correspondent , "B . B . " , at p . 92 ofthe current volume , inquired for the passages of Scripture used in working the above degrees , and there is an editorial reply extracting the information required from some American Monitor . Where are the degrees conferred?—E . A . F . —[ In America . The following is the form of warrant for a council of these degrees : —

DEC'S . UEl' -UQUE JUS . To all to whom these presents may eome , greeting : —Know yc that ; , by the high pcuvers in me A-esfced by the Grand Constitutions of the thirty-third degree , ancl by the special patent to me granted for that purpose , I do hereby authorize and empower the following illustrious Companions , viz . : Isaac II . Tyler , Olii-er AVilson , Isaac Stewart , James It . Goring , William D . Payne , AVillis Steivai-fc , James W . ISreeden , Nathaniel Hardy , and S . A . AIcLfee , to form themselves into a just ancl

legal Council of Koyal and Select Masters , by the name of Council No . 4 , to be holden at Louisville , in the State of Kentucky . Anel I do hereby confirm and sanction their choice ancl appointment of illustrious Companion Isaac Hughes Tyler to be the first thi-ice Illustrious Grand AIaster , Illustrious Companion Oliver AA'ilson to be the first Deputy Illustrious Grand Master , and Illustrious Companion Nathaniel Hardy to be the first Principal Conductor of the AVork . And I do hereby empower the abovenamed Companions and their successors , with their constitutional number

, to assemble and open a legal council , to confer the degrees of Koyal Master and Select AIaster , to admit members , ancl to do all other business appertaining to said degrees , conforming in all their doings to the by-laws of their council anel the rules and regulations of councils of Select Masters : for which purposes this shall be their sufficient warrant . Given under my hand and seal , at Louisville , hi the State of Kentuckthis 20 th clay of SeptemberA . D . one thousand eiht hundred

y , , , g and tAventy-soven , and in the year of deposit two thousand eight hundred and tiventy-seven . JOHN BAIUCER , K . H . ; S . P . li . H ., Sovereign Grand Inspector General of tho Thirty-third Degree , and General Agent of the Supreme Council in tlie United States of America . !

FliEEMASONUY AND TIIE SOC'IETV 01- ' l- 'IlIl-l . N'n . S . A query ivas propounded in the last volume of the Magazine . ( p . f ! 7 . 'l ) as to the admission of Quakers in the Craft . This ivas replied to by a former member of the society , at p . -118 , statin ^ that no member could consistently become a Freemason , although the writer knew several that had , thereby rendering themselves

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CLASSICAL THEOLOGY.—XXI. Article 1
THE RIGHTS OF FREEMASONS. Article 2
TEMPLAR CLOTHING IN THE UNITED STATES. Article 5
EARLY HISTORY OF MASONRY IN NEW YORK. Article 7
A DEFENCE OF MASONIC SECRECY. Article 8
INTERESTING REMINISCENCE. Article 8
THE ORIGIN OF FREEMASONRY Article 9
ARCHÆOLOGY. Article 9
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 10
Literature. Article 11
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 13
METROPOLITAN. Article 13
PROVINCIAL. Article 13
MARK MASONRY. Article 14
ROYAL ARCH. Article 14
GIBRALTAR. Article 15
CANADA. Article 16
AMERICA, Article 18
THE WEEK. Article 18
PUBLIC AMUSEMENTS. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Archæology.

Exhibition of Ancient Plate , aud other articles of antiquarian interest belonging to sonic city companies . An opportunity of seeing these various objects brought together in the apartments of the Society at Somerset House , should attract an unusual gathering ofthe FolloAVs .

Masonic Notes And Queries.

MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES .

THE IT . rXCV . OV AVALES'S LODGE . Tin-: above Lodge has long been knoivn as one of the foremost for the engagement of musical brethren at its banquets ; does it possess a musical library , for many of our best glee writers have written especially for its service ?—M . C . iiAsoxir . ' I'OE'is . Has any list been compiled of poets of fame who have been

members of our Order , or is anything known of the biographies of those who have tried their hands at versification for the amusement of our Lodges at the festive board ?—E .... n II s . HIGH GT ! A 1 > ES LIBBAUY . Have the Chapters , Consistories , & c , of the high grades in England , any library , if so , where , and ivho are eligible to consult it?—KNT . E . & AA ' .

MASONIC 11 KAX FEAST . Some time since I saw a fragment only of a large poster headed " Masonic Bean Feast at— " * * * all the rest was torn away . AVho can tell me where they hold Masonic Bean Feasts?—PuraTF . u ' s DEVIL .

MASONIC PORTRAITS . In reply to an inquiry as to what Lodges have Masonic portraits , I have to inform you that my Lodge ( the St . James's , No . 707 , Handsworth ) , have a most excellent likeness of Bro . "William Lloyd . P . M ., and founder ofthe Lodge . —LEWIS .

TIIK LATE rruivv : OF WELLINGTON NOT A FREEMASON . In answer to your correspondents may I beg to refer them to a notice which was sent by me to Notes and Queries , and appeared in the second scries , vol . i ., p . 508 . June 28 th , 1856 . '' l- ' . Af . tho Duke of AVellington presents his compliments to Mr . AValsh . lie has received bis letter of the . 7 tU nit . The Duke lias no recollection of having been admitted a Freemason . Ke lias no knowledof that association

ge . " The above note appeared for the first time in print in the Freemason ' s Quarterly Magazine for April , 1851 . By its publication the oft mooted question among Masons whether or no the late Duke ivas a member of the Craft , is finally and effectually disposed of . —AV . AV ., AV . M ' ., Union Lodge , No . 588 , Malta , May 17 , I 860 . —[ We beg to refer Bro . "AV . A \ . " to pp . 149 , 168 , 18-1 , 20 !) and 230 of r ol Series

, , A . I . ( Sew ) , of The Freemasons ' ' Magazine , from June to December , 1850 , where there ivill be found several communications on this subject which prove that the late Duke of AVellington was a Freemason . Perhaps it ivill be the best way to present a summary of what has been receiveci on the point in question . At page 1 . 49 the editorial answer states , on the authority of the Dublin Freemasons' Calendar , that the Duke of Wellington ivas initiated on the 7 th of December , 1790 , in the Irish . Lodge , No . -494 , held at Trim , which Lodge had been presided over by his grace ' s father and brother , the Earl of Mni-nmo-.

ton and tbe Marquis AVellcslcy , who had both held the office of WM . of that Loelge . At p . 168 , the 111 . Bro . M . Furnell , the originator of the Irish Masonic Calendar , states that although the Lodge does not meet yet it exists on the Grand Loel ge register , and " possesses patent CA-idence of tbe initiation of our late brother , the immortal Duke of Wellington . " And he also refers us top . 91 of Oliver ' s History of Freemasonry from 1829-41 . At 184

p . ., Bro . J . Rankin Stebbing—a ivell known brother whose veracity no one can doubt—writes so important a reply that we will reprint the greater portion of it . He says the Diike was a Freemason , " ancl I am in possession of two notes from his grace to myself , one stating- that he was not a Freemason , and one acknowledging that he was . In the latter he says , "I . do not consider myself a Freemason , never having been in a Loelge but and that

once , many years ngof or words to that effect . " These notes arc carefull y put away and I cannot find them at this moment , but when I clo you shall have copies . " At p . 209 , Bro William Lloyd , of Birmingham , tells us that the Lodge , No . 494 . ' at the time of the Duke ' s initiation , was held in the castle of Dangan , in the county of Meatb , and "that he was dul y passed after the usual examination , and ( in the phraseology of the Lod" -c ) entered at the southern gate , and afterwards raised . " Bro . Llo . 'd also gives the names of no less than fifteen brethren ( many " of them subsequentl y Avorld-renowned ) as being present : and he

states that iu order to preserve so eminent a Lodge from oblivion , Bro . Christopher Carleton , W . M . and Sec , never surrendered the ivarrant , but has paid the dues out of his OAVU privy purse , to keep the warrant on the list . At p . 230 , ouv 111 . Bro . Hyde Clarke states the duke was an affiliated member of La Clenientc Amitie , Lodge of Paris , and in that capacity is commemorated "by the Lodge in the official list . " But he acids though the

Lodge has some high grades attached to it , the duke hud not been admitted to airy higher degree , " but is entered as J 1 . 31 . " At p . 170 ofthe present volume , "Galen , " a correspondent , inquires if the notes alluded to by Bro . J . Rankin Stebbing have conic to hand ? to which we replied t-hcy had not . " AV . \ Y . " is IIOAV in possession of what ire consider prima facie evidence that the Duke of Wellington was a brother Masonbut in order to

, strengthen and determine the point , we shall take the liberty of asking , in this public manner , the favours of our several brethren , who haye contributed as above , to reply to the following requests on our part . To Bno . EUIVNELL we should be much obliged if be can procure us the extract from the " patent evidence" of the Lodge books of

No . 494 , sending us a tracing of Sir Arthur A \ cllcsley's signature to any document he signed as well as a copy , not necessarily a fac similie , of the document itself . Of BRO . J . RANKIN ST ' EIIUING , Ave earnestly beg to search for the two notes promised us last year , and further ask him to send us tracings of them . BRO . AVILLIAM LLOYD , of Birmingham , ivill confer a favour

if he has any interest with Bro . Christopher Carleton , and can prevail on that brother , if living , or those who have the possession of the warrant , and most likely the books , to forward all the information thej' can afford us on the subject . From the Lodge Clemcntc Amitie , of Paris , or its Secretary , wc should consider it a personal favour if they would send ns an extract of the date when tbe Duke visited their Lodgeand also

, his name as it is enrolled in their official list . If these requests are compiled with the matter will at once be placed beyond the doubt of any individual ; but for our own part we are so well satisfied with the good faith of the abovenamed brethren , that we entertain no suspicion of the accuracy of their word ; still Ave ask them to oblige us in this endeavour to convince the sceptical and set tbe eiuestion at rest for ever . ]

ROYAL AND SELECT MASTERS . A Correspondent , "B . B . " , at p . 92 ofthe current volume , inquired for the passages of Scripture used in working the above degrees , and there is an editorial reply extracting the information required from some American Monitor . Where are the degrees conferred?—E . A . F . —[ In America . The following is the form of warrant for a council of these degrees : —

DEC'S . UEl' -UQUE JUS . To all to whom these presents may eome , greeting : —Know yc that ; , by the high pcuvers in me A-esfced by the Grand Constitutions of the thirty-third degree , ancl by the special patent to me granted for that purpose , I do hereby authorize and empower the following illustrious Companions , viz . : Isaac II . Tyler , Olii-er AVilson , Isaac Stewart , James It . Goring , William D . Payne , AVillis Steivai-fc , James W . ISreeden , Nathaniel Hardy , and S . A . AIcLfee , to form themselves into a just ancl

legal Council of Koyal and Select Masters , by the name of Council No . 4 , to be holden at Louisville , in the State of Kentucky . Anel I do hereby confirm and sanction their choice ancl appointment of illustrious Companion Isaac Hughes Tyler to be the first thi-ice Illustrious Grand AIaster , Illustrious Companion Oliver AA'ilson to be the first Deputy Illustrious Grand Master , and Illustrious Companion Nathaniel Hardy to be the first Principal Conductor of the AVork . And I do hereby empower the abovenamed Companions and their successors , with their constitutional number

, to assemble and open a legal council , to confer the degrees of Koyal Master and Select AIaster , to admit members , ancl to do all other business appertaining to said degrees , conforming in all their doings to the by-laws of their council anel the rules and regulations of councils of Select Masters : for which purposes this shall be their sufficient warrant . Given under my hand and seal , at Louisville , hi the State of Kentuckthis 20 th clay of SeptemberA . D . one thousand eiht hundred

y , , , g and tAventy-soven , and in the year of deposit two thousand eight hundred and tiventy-seven . JOHN BAIUCER , K . H . ; S . P . li . H ., Sovereign Grand Inspector General of tho Thirty-third Degree , and General Agent of the Supreme Council in tlie United States of America . !

FliEEMASONUY AND TIIE SOC'IETV 01- ' l- 'IlIl-l . N'n . S . A query ivas propounded in the last volume of the Magazine . ( p . f ! 7 . 'l ) as to the admission of Quakers in the Craft . This ivas replied to by a former member of the society , at p . -118 , statin ^ that no member could consistently become a Freemason , although the writer knew several that had , thereby rendering themselves

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