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Masonic Notes And Queries.

A KNOWLEDGE , THE DESIRE OF WHICH IS NATURAL TO THE HUMAN "MIND . There is a knowledge , the desire of which the true Freemason regards as natural to the human rnind—a knowledge of the Great First Cause of the Glorious Architect of Heaven and Earth . —From a bundle of Masonic memoranda in Bro . Purton Cooper ' s manuscript collections .

BENGAL LODGES . A foreign brother , about to proceed to Calcutta , is mistaken in supposing that Bengal possesses only ¦ one English lodge . In my communication " Hindoos admitted into English Freemasonry , " Freemasons ' Magazine , vol . xv ., page 348 , there is a misprint

which seems to have misled my brother . " Bengal Lodge" should be read " Bengal Lodges . " My brother will find a list of the Bengal lodges in the Freemasons' Calendar published under the sanction of the Grand Lodge of England . The number of Bengal lodges in 18 G 1 was about thirty . —C . P . -COOPER .

VISCOUNT HOEATESDALE . —ERRATUM . See my communication "Viscount Holmesdale , " page 27 of the present volume . It appears by a second letter which has just reached me from the West Kent brother , whose first letter containing remarks upon Lord Holmesdale ' s absence from the

recent Provincial Grand Festival at Folkestane called forth that communication , that my brother is as deficient in the sagacity enabling moat readers to correct errors of the press , as the pages of the Freemasons' Magazine show I have found some other ¦ correspondents . My brother , instead of " What , as I believe its purposes to be , ' ' should read " What , as I believe , it purports to be , " and the modicum of ¦ difficulty will vanish . —0 . P . COOPER .

FREEltASONRT WITHOUT RELIGION—A COMPARISON . At a meeting which a correspondent mentions a poetic spirit took possession of some present , and the comparisons made were , as he has heard , abundant . There is one only that my memory , often better for what was said fifty years ago than for what was said

yesterday , can recall . A brother likened Freemasons without religion proceeding to civilise barbarous tribes to soldiers without sword or musket marching against a horde of armed savages . But this comparison does not please me . It may be sufficiently ¦ correct , yet it is not appropriate . There is in it the idea of violence , which , in juxtaposition with Freemasonry , is altogether out of place . —C . P . COOPER .

INDEPENDENT ORDER OP GOOD FELLOWS . 1 have a friend who has resided in America , and , during his residence in that country , he became a member of the Order of Good Templars , and I understand from him that it is a society composed both of male and female members , and that any

person fourteen years of age believing in the existence and omnipotence of God , and willing to take a ¦ solemn pledge to abstain for life from the manufacture , sale , and use , as a beverage , of all spirituous or malt liquors , and to _ discountenance their manufacture , sale , and use in all proper and lawful ways , are eligible for membership . They have passwords and

signs similar to Odd Fellows , Foresters , & c . They hold meetings twice in a month for the purpose of initiating candidates and transacting general business . The fee for initiation is 50 cents ; the fees for the other degrees , 25 cents each . —JNO . BLACICLER .

Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

The * Editor u not responsible for the opinions expressed by Correspondents . THE W . M . ' s LIGHT . TO THE EDITOR Or THE FKEEMASOMS' MAGAZINE AMD JIASOXIC HUBOB . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —I am not aware of a circular having been issued by the late Grand Secretary on this subjectbut I know thatiu 1833 the

, , , then W . M . of St . Michael's Lodge ( now No . 2 L 1 J , Bro . Kincaid , addressed an inquiry relative to the practice , and Bro . White ' s answer stated that the subject was thoroughly investigated by the Lodge of Reconciliation at the Union in 1 S 13 , and it Avas resolved that the W . M . 's light should not be

extinguished , and that the introduction of a lanthorn or any other light was improper . This must be aeknoAvledged to be the law . Yours fraternally , J . How .

MASONRY CONSIDERED . TO THE ED 1 TOB OE THE FREEMASONS * ATAOAZINB AND AlASOyiC MIBEOB . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , — -It is a great pity that , when questions of Masonic history or discussions upon Masonic antiquity are raised amongst us , first on one side then on the otherpersonalities are

intro-, duced Avhich have nothing whatever to do with the merits of the case , and put an end to all sober and serious argument . Can we not discuss archaeological queries , in a calm and dispassionate spirit , really and truly as Masons ? I venture , then , to re-open the subject to-dayas it appears to me to crave more at

, our hands , as Freemasons , than to be allowed to degenerate into un-Masonic personalities . The subject is a most interesting one , and deserves to be calmly and carefully considered . As a Masonic student , I am wishful to obtain all the light I can , and hope that many brethren more skilled than myself * will join in

the discussion . What , then , and that is the real question in dispute , is the historical position of the Masonic Knight Templar grade ? A " Knight Templar , " July Gth , 1867 , seems to claim for his Order the following historical authority , viz ., 1 st , that "the Encampment of Baldwinwhich was

, established at Bristol by the Templars who returned with Richard I . from Palestine , " is still in existence -, 2 ndly , That this encampment , with another at Bath , and a third afc York , constitued the three original encampments in England , " and that " from these have emanated the existing encampments in the British

Islands , and in the United States , so that the Order as it now exists in Britain and America is a lineal descendant of the ancient Order ; 3 rdly , that , in France there exists an Order tracing in unbroken line

from Jacqes de Mnlay . As a Masonic student , I venture to submit to a " Knight Templar'' one or two queries in reference to

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THE ORDER OF ST. JOHN. Article 1
FREEMASONRY IN CORNWALL. Article 2
MASONIC ORATION, Article 3
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 6
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 7
THE PEN-AND-INK SKETCHES OF ONE FANG. Article 8
MASONIC MEM. Article 9
THE ROYAL MASONIC INSTITUTION FOR BOYS. Article 9
METROPOLITAN. Article 11
PROVINCIAL. Article 12
SCOTLAND. Article 12
GLASGOW. Article 13
AMERICA. Article 14
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Untitled Article 16
SPRING AND AUTUMN. Article 16
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NOTES ON LITERATURE, SCIENCE, MUSIC, DRAMA, AND THE FINE ARTS. Article 17
LODGE MEETINGS, ETC., FOR THE WEEK ENDING AUGUST 24TH, 1867. Article 17
THE WEEK. Article 17
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Masonic Notes And Queries.

A KNOWLEDGE , THE DESIRE OF WHICH IS NATURAL TO THE HUMAN "MIND . There is a knowledge , the desire of which the true Freemason regards as natural to the human rnind—a knowledge of the Great First Cause of the Glorious Architect of Heaven and Earth . —From a bundle of Masonic memoranda in Bro . Purton Cooper ' s manuscript collections .

BENGAL LODGES . A foreign brother , about to proceed to Calcutta , is mistaken in supposing that Bengal possesses only ¦ one English lodge . In my communication " Hindoos admitted into English Freemasonry , " Freemasons ' Magazine , vol . xv ., page 348 , there is a misprint

which seems to have misled my brother . " Bengal Lodge" should be read " Bengal Lodges . " My brother will find a list of the Bengal lodges in the Freemasons' Calendar published under the sanction of the Grand Lodge of England . The number of Bengal lodges in 18 G 1 was about thirty . —C . P . -COOPER .

VISCOUNT HOEATESDALE . —ERRATUM . See my communication "Viscount Holmesdale , " page 27 of the present volume . It appears by a second letter which has just reached me from the West Kent brother , whose first letter containing remarks upon Lord Holmesdale ' s absence from the

recent Provincial Grand Festival at Folkestane called forth that communication , that my brother is as deficient in the sagacity enabling moat readers to correct errors of the press , as the pages of the Freemasons' Magazine show I have found some other ¦ correspondents . My brother , instead of " What , as I believe its purposes to be , ' ' should read " What , as I believe , it purports to be , " and the modicum of ¦ difficulty will vanish . —0 . P . COOPER .

FREEltASONRT WITHOUT RELIGION—A COMPARISON . At a meeting which a correspondent mentions a poetic spirit took possession of some present , and the comparisons made were , as he has heard , abundant . There is one only that my memory , often better for what was said fifty years ago than for what was said

yesterday , can recall . A brother likened Freemasons without religion proceeding to civilise barbarous tribes to soldiers without sword or musket marching against a horde of armed savages . But this comparison does not please me . It may be sufficiently ¦ correct , yet it is not appropriate . There is in it the idea of violence , which , in juxtaposition with Freemasonry , is altogether out of place . —C . P . COOPER .

INDEPENDENT ORDER OP GOOD FELLOWS . 1 have a friend who has resided in America , and , during his residence in that country , he became a member of the Order of Good Templars , and I understand from him that it is a society composed both of male and female members , and that any

person fourteen years of age believing in the existence and omnipotence of God , and willing to take a ¦ solemn pledge to abstain for life from the manufacture , sale , and use , as a beverage , of all spirituous or malt liquors , and to _ discountenance their manufacture , sale , and use in all proper and lawful ways , are eligible for membership . They have passwords and

signs similar to Odd Fellows , Foresters , & c . They hold meetings twice in a month for the purpose of initiating candidates and transacting general business . The fee for initiation is 50 cents ; the fees for the other degrees , 25 cents each . —JNO . BLACICLER .

Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

The * Editor u not responsible for the opinions expressed by Correspondents . THE W . M . ' s LIGHT . TO THE EDITOR Or THE FKEEMASOMS' MAGAZINE AMD JIASOXIC HUBOB . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —I am not aware of a circular having been issued by the late Grand Secretary on this subjectbut I know thatiu 1833 the

, , , then W . M . of St . Michael's Lodge ( now No . 2 L 1 J , Bro . Kincaid , addressed an inquiry relative to the practice , and Bro . White ' s answer stated that the subject was thoroughly investigated by the Lodge of Reconciliation at the Union in 1 S 13 , and it Avas resolved that the W . M . 's light should not be

extinguished , and that the introduction of a lanthorn or any other light was improper . This must be aeknoAvledged to be the law . Yours fraternally , J . How .

MASONRY CONSIDERED . TO THE ED 1 TOB OE THE FREEMASONS * ATAOAZINB AND AlASOyiC MIBEOB . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , — -It is a great pity that , when questions of Masonic history or discussions upon Masonic antiquity are raised amongst us , first on one side then on the otherpersonalities are

intro-, duced Avhich have nothing whatever to do with the merits of the case , and put an end to all sober and serious argument . Can we not discuss archaeological queries , in a calm and dispassionate spirit , really and truly as Masons ? I venture , then , to re-open the subject to-dayas it appears to me to crave more at

, our hands , as Freemasons , than to be allowed to degenerate into un-Masonic personalities . The subject is a most interesting one , and deserves to be calmly and carefully considered . As a Masonic student , I am wishful to obtain all the light I can , and hope that many brethren more skilled than myself * will join in

the discussion . What , then , and that is the real question in dispute , is the historical position of the Masonic Knight Templar grade ? A " Knight Templar , " July Gth , 1867 , seems to claim for his Order the following historical authority , viz ., 1 st , that "the Encampment of Baldwinwhich was

, established at Bristol by the Templars who returned with Richard I . from Palestine , " is still in existence -, 2 ndly , That this encampment , with another at Bath , and a third afc York , constitued the three original encampments in England , " and that " from these have emanated the existing encampments in the British

Islands , and in the United States , so that the Order as it now exists in Britain and America is a lineal descendant of the ancient Order ; 3 rdly , that , in France there exists an Order tracing in unbroken line

from Jacqes de Mnlay . As a Masonic student , I venture to submit to a " Knight Templar'' one or two queries in reference to

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