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Masonic Notes And Queries.

SECRET CYPHER . As you last week showed yourself such au adept at revealing cypher , perhaps you can make out the following . If not , some of your readers may . It is . from a Masonic book . —G-. B . — "Ubs Eplrbsrt wbss ostm ronwprn Pongth Mrlwdgr—Lthrbr Srthrr

Crnbllst bndo ndurf Iwrm—Mbsw Kwhbtw nght twbrthrfbrs tcbr Srbrfwrthrmbsfcrrprwcrrdstw Nwpr nhoslwdgr . Vtlsc Lcthcl ldgc cllsct oled Arwm . "—[ We leave the unravelling of the above to the ingenuity of our readers . It is by no means a difficult task ]

THE MYSTERIES , CRUSADERS , AND FREEMASONRY . How are the early Mysteries , the Crusades , and Freemasonry connected?—SITES .

Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

The Sdiioi- is not responsible for the opinions expressed by Correspondents . THE GRAND LODGES OF CANADA AND ENGLAND .

TO THE EDITOR OF THE EttEEirASOXS' JUG . CZISE A > 'D MASONIC 3 IIItItOIt . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —In the debate last night iu Grand Lodge the worthy President of the Colonial Board , by his " faint praise , " scarcely allowed me to make IMasouic capital out of the share I had in promoting the adjustment of the Canada Grand Lodge

difficulty . Whether the Grand Master of Canada might not long ago , and from statements long since submitted to him , have revoked the sentence of Masonic interdiction pronounced by his predecessor against the St . George ' s Lodge of Montreal , as he had already done

for the St . Lawrence Lodge , is a question I do not discuss . He did not do so . The previous report of the Colonial Board stated that their efforts had beeu unsuccessful in obtaining justice from the Grand Lodge of Canada for the St . George ' s Lodge ; for the Grand Master of Canada by letter , dated 27 th June ,

had declared that lie cannot advocate any reversal of the resolution of his Grand Lodge declaring it irregular . . Four days after the date of this letter , namely , on the 1 st of July last , being at Quebec , 1 called on the Grand Master of Canada , and , talking of the St .

George ' s Lodge , I reminded , him of his written decision in the similar case of the St . Laurence Lodge , two years ago , viz .:

—"The Grand Lodge of Canada undoubtedly possesses the power of questioning the good standing of a foreign subordinate lodge working within her territory , and of forbidding intercourse with it ; but I lay it down as Masonic law aud equity that it is not in the power of one Grand Lodge to continue such sentence of outlawry when the body to whom allegiance is due ( as in the present case , the Grand Lodge of

Correspondence.

England and the St . Lawrence Lodge ) , after solemn inquiry , persistently declares itself satisfied that its laws have not been violated , and that the lodge in question has done nothing to forfeit its Masonic rights and privileges . "

Now , this ruling I applied to the case of the St . George ' s Lodge ; for , having beeu a party to the " solemn inquiry , " I knew from personal examination that this lodge had never lost its allegiance to our Graud Lodge from its days of transition in November ,

1855 , up to the present period . The minutes have been regularly kept , its returns regularly made , and its business ' properly conducted . I may remind you that , at the time of the secession of some of the Canada lodges in October , 1855 , the St , George ' s Lodge held a divided allegiance—it split

into two lodges . The majority of the members , taking the lodge records , jewels , and furniture , formed the St . George ' s Lodge , No . 19 , on the Canada registry ; but a few brethren , " faithful among the faithless , " recovered the warrant of constitution , aud continued

the St . George ' s Lodge , No . C-13 ( -110 under our registry ) , aud still remains so . I was , therefore , justified in assuring the Grand Master of Cauada that

our Grand Lodge " persistently declared itself satisfied that this lodge had done nothing to forfeit its Masouic rights and privileges . " This reasoning prevailed ; for , in the annual communication to the Grand Lodge of Canada , on July 15 last , which you published in your M AGAZINE of

Sept . 3 , the Grand Master of Canada stated , " I have recently had the advantage of a personal call from a member of the Colonial Board of the Grand Lodge of England , aud he assured me , in very kind and unhesitating terms , that the Grand Lodge of England

claims her lodge ( St . George ' s ) under convincing testimony , aud I candidly express my opinion that his assertion , from his position , should not be lig htly received . " Accordingly , the resolution o £ July 15 was adopted

formally and fully recognising tbe St . George ' s Lodge of Montreal , holding under the Graud Lodge of England , as a regular lodge , and that fraternal intercourse would be immediately resumed with its oflicers and members .

I am , dear Sir aud Brother , Tours fraternally , BRACICSTONE BAKER , P . M . No . 21 . Dec . S , 1 SG 1 .

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"WE slicmM always vest satisfied , with doing well , awl lot otliers talk of us as they please , for they can do as no injury although they may think they have found a flaw in our proceedings , and are determined to rise on our downfall , or profit by our injury . Ir you desire to injoy life , avoid unpunctual people . They impede business and poison pleasure . Make it your rule not only to be punctual , but a little beforehand .

“The Freemasons' Monthly Magazine: 1864-12-17, Page 12” Masonic Periodicals Online, Library and Museum of Freemasonry, 6 June 2025, django:8000/periodicals/mmr/issues/mmr_17121864/page/12/.
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FREEMASONRY IN ITALY. Article 2
ANTI-MASONRY. Article 3
VENTILATION. Article 4
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 7
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 12
Untitled Article 12
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 13
METROPOLITAN. Article 13
Untitled Article 13
PROVINCIAL. Article 14
Untitled Article 15
ROYAL ARCH. Article 16
KNIGHTS TEMPLAR. Article 16
MARK MASONRY. Article 17
INDIA. Article 17
Obituary. Article 17
LITERARY EXTRACTS. Article 18
PUBLIC AMUSEMENTS. Article 18
THE WEEK. Article 19
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 22
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Masonic Notes And Queries.

SECRET CYPHER . As you last week showed yourself such au adept at revealing cypher , perhaps you can make out the following . If not , some of your readers may . It is . from a Masonic book . —G-. B . — "Ubs Eplrbsrt wbss ostm ronwprn Pongth Mrlwdgr—Lthrbr Srthrr

Crnbllst bndo ndurf Iwrm—Mbsw Kwhbtw nght twbrthrfbrs tcbr Srbrfwrthrmbsfcrrprwcrrdstw Nwpr nhoslwdgr . Vtlsc Lcthcl ldgc cllsct oled Arwm . "—[ We leave the unravelling of the above to the ingenuity of our readers . It is by no means a difficult task ]

THE MYSTERIES , CRUSADERS , AND FREEMASONRY . How are the early Mysteries , the Crusades , and Freemasonry connected?—SITES .

Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

The Sdiioi- is not responsible for the opinions expressed by Correspondents . THE GRAND LODGES OF CANADA AND ENGLAND .

TO THE EDITOR OF THE EttEEirASOXS' JUG . CZISE A > 'D MASONIC 3 IIItItOIt . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —In the debate last night iu Grand Lodge the worthy President of the Colonial Board , by his " faint praise , " scarcely allowed me to make IMasouic capital out of the share I had in promoting the adjustment of the Canada Grand Lodge

difficulty . Whether the Grand Master of Canada might not long ago , and from statements long since submitted to him , have revoked the sentence of Masonic interdiction pronounced by his predecessor against the St . George ' s Lodge of Montreal , as he had already done

for the St . Lawrence Lodge , is a question I do not discuss . He did not do so . The previous report of the Colonial Board stated that their efforts had beeu unsuccessful in obtaining justice from the Grand Lodge of Canada for the St . George ' s Lodge ; for the Grand Master of Canada by letter , dated 27 th June ,

had declared that lie cannot advocate any reversal of the resolution of his Grand Lodge declaring it irregular . . Four days after the date of this letter , namely , on the 1 st of July last , being at Quebec , 1 called on the Grand Master of Canada , and , talking of the St .

George ' s Lodge , I reminded , him of his written decision in the similar case of the St . Laurence Lodge , two years ago , viz .:

—"The Grand Lodge of Canada undoubtedly possesses the power of questioning the good standing of a foreign subordinate lodge working within her territory , and of forbidding intercourse with it ; but I lay it down as Masonic law aud equity that it is not in the power of one Grand Lodge to continue such sentence of outlawry when the body to whom allegiance is due ( as in the present case , the Grand Lodge of

Correspondence.

England and the St . Lawrence Lodge ) , after solemn inquiry , persistently declares itself satisfied that its laws have not been violated , and that the lodge in question has done nothing to forfeit its Masonic rights and privileges . "

Now , this ruling I applied to the case of the St . George ' s Lodge ; for , having beeu a party to the " solemn inquiry , " I knew from personal examination that this lodge had never lost its allegiance to our Graud Lodge from its days of transition in November ,

1855 , up to the present period . The minutes have been regularly kept , its returns regularly made , and its business ' properly conducted . I may remind you that , at the time of the secession of some of the Canada lodges in October , 1855 , the St , George ' s Lodge held a divided allegiance—it split

into two lodges . The majority of the members , taking the lodge records , jewels , and furniture , formed the St . George ' s Lodge , No . 19 , on the Canada registry ; but a few brethren , " faithful among the faithless , " recovered the warrant of constitution , aud continued

the St . George ' s Lodge , No . C-13 ( -110 under our registry ) , aud still remains so . I was , therefore , justified in assuring the Grand Master of Cauada that

our Grand Lodge " persistently declared itself satisfied that this lodge had done nothing to forfeit its Masouic rights and privileges . " This reasoning prevailed ; for , in the annual communication to the Grand Lodge of Canada , on July 15 last , which you published in your M AGAZINE of

Sept . 3 , the Grand Master of Canada stated , " I have recently had the advantage of a personal call from a member of the Colonial Board of the Grand Lodge of England , aud he assured me , in very kind and unhesitating terms , that the Grand Lodge of England

claims her lodge ( St . George ' s ) under convincing testimony , aud I candidly express my opinion that his assertion , from his position , should not be lig htly received . " Accordingly , the resolution o £ July 15 was adopted

formally and fully recognising tbe St . George ' s Lodge of Montreal , holding under the Graud Lodge of England , as a regular lodge , and that fraternal intercourse would be immediately resumed with its oflicers and members .

I am , dear Sir aud Brother , Tours fraternally , BRACICSTONE BAKER , P . M . No . 21 . Dec . S , 1 SG 1 .

Ar01202

"WE slicmM always vest satisfied , with doing well , awl lot otliers talk of us as they please , for they can do as no injury although they may think they have found a flaw in our proceedings , and are determined to rise on our downfall , or profit by our injury . Ir you desire to injoy life , avoid unpunctual people . They impede business and poison pleasure . Make it your rule not only to be punctual , but a little beforehand .

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