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The Ancient And Accepted Rite In America.

Sontatives with the spurious body at New Orleans . It has also founded lodges in South America . In reply to my protest against such acts , Bro . Frapolli says , that tho Grand Orient of Italy establishes no bodies in any country having a Supreme Masonic authority recognized by it . He transmitted to me a copy of a letter upon the same subject to the M . AV . Grand

Master of Masons in New York , and which is herewith submitted . In my reply , I insisted that before his body could establish fraternal relations with others , the recognition of spurious bodies must be withdrawn ; to this I have receiveci no reply . Unfortunately while Bro . Goodall was in Florence , Frapolli

was absent . He had expressed a strong desire to meet onr Representative , and possess him fully with his views in relation to Masonry in Italy . In his letter to me , he insists that Bro . Goodail was led to make ninny mistakes in his former report . He denounces the Supreme Council at Turin as spurious . Bro . Goodall has carefully investigated the claims of the

Council at Turin , and the one at Florence , which is connected in some manner , utterly unintelligible to him , with the Grand Orient . He submitted certain questions to both bodies , to which they promised to reply directly to me , before our session , but as yet 1 have received nothing dated after the arrival of Bro Goodall in Italy .

. It is very certain , that with our present formation , we cannot recognize any Supreme Council in Italy . It is very questionable whether there is a regularly established Body of the Rite in that Country . GEAXD OEIEST 01 ? FEAKOE . —By a resolution adopted last year I was directed to address a communication of inquiry to the Grand Orient of Prance , in relation to the allegations in a

certain memorial then before the Supreme Council . I forwarded such a letter through Bro . Poulle , our Representative : ho replied at once , denying the allegations ; more recently , I have received a communication from G . Sec . Thuvenot , a copy of which is herewith submitted . It will he perceived that his denial is most complete .

I regret to announce , that the hopes entertained by me last year , that the Grand Orient would recede from her position in relation to ihe spurious body in XSfew Orleans , have not been fulfilled . The only action taken is indicated in an official communication , a copy of which is herewith submitted . This does not allude to the question at issue , but it is the action of the Grand

Orient in relation to the subject ; and it is the only reply to the Balustre , to whieh I referred in my address a year ago . Believing definite action should be taken at this session , I united M . P . Bro . Albert Pike , Sov . Gr . Com . of the Supreme Council for the Southern Jurisdiction , in preparing a Balustre to be laid before our respective Supreme Councils , a Copy of

which will be submitted during the session , by the Representative of the Supremo Council of the Southern Jurisdiction . It was adopted by our Sister Supreme Council , and I trust it will meet jc-ur approval , and be sanctioned by you . The suggestion of M . P . Bro . Pike , that iu a matter of so much moment , the joint action of our two Councils would have more weight , and

should therefore be taken , seems to me wise , anel the proposed course proper . The adoption of this will be all the answer we need make to the Balusti-e of the Grand Orient . BitAKVL . —1 have received a communication from the " Grand Orient and Supreme Council of Brazil , Valley of the Benedictines , " controverting tho statements of Bro . Goodall , in his report in 3 Sti 8 . As it was received after Bro . Goodall left the country , I have had no opportunity to confer with him in rela-

The Ancient And Accepted Rite In America.

tion to it . It asserts that under the jurisdiction of that Body are forty-nine lodges , with a membership of five thousand seven hundred and twenty-two . OTIIEB SUPBEIIE CoTTtfCiLS IN SOUTH AMERICA . —No communications have been received , from the other South American Supreme Councils , and I am without information in respect to

them . MEXICO . —I have receiveci documents from a Body claiming to be The Supreme Council of Mexico , The M . P . Gr . Com . of the Southern Supreme Council in the proceedings of that Body for 1868 , gives a history of Masonry in Mexico , and comes to the conclusion that the body in question is irregular . In this

opinion I concur . SOUTHEES" SUPEEME COUKCIII . —With this body our relations continue to be of the most fraternal and intimate character . It has sustained an irreparable loss in the death of several of its members , including 111 . Bro . William S . Rockwell , 33 ° lit . Gr . Com . I am happy to learn that the Eite in that jurisdiction is

rapidly recovering from the disastrous effects of the war , and that our 111 . brethren are giving themselves zealously to the work . The only disturbing element is the Supreme Body at New Orleans ; and that creates no disturbance at home . It would , on its own account , not be dignified with any notice ; but ifc disturbs the relations with other Supreme Councils . It is very singular , that in almost all the discussions in Foreign

Grand Bodies upon this , the question of jurisdiction has not been mentioned , but action has been based upon the supposed admission of members without regard to race or color . Inasmuch as all regular affiliated Master Masons are eligible candidates for the degrees of our Rite , and inasmuch as there are bodies of colored men in this country claiming to be regular

lodges of Master Masons , it is proper to consider the question , of the admission of these men into our bodies . They claim to be l-egular Masons ; they am nnt recognized as regular by the Grand Lodges which we recognize . But it is asserted , that really and truly they are just as regular as the Masons whom we do recognize .

Answers To The Memorial Of The Lodge Of Glasgow St. John, No. 3 Bis.

ANSWERS TO THE MEMORIAL OF THE LODGE OF GLASGOW ST . JOHN , No . 3 bis .

( Vide Memorial , at page 459 of Magazine , Sec . 3 rd , 1870 . 151 , West Kile Street , Glasgow , December 14 th , 1870 . To tire Most Worshipful the Grand Master Mason of Scotland , the Bight "Worshi pful Depute and Substitute Grand Masters , the B . 'W . Senior and Junior Graud

Wardens , and the Remanent Office-Bearers and Members of the Grand Lodge of Ereemasons of Scotland . Dear Brethren , At the meeting of the Grand Lodge of Scotland , held in the Freemasons' Hall , Edinburgh , upon the 7 th day of November , 1870 , a document was read by Bro . John Baird , K . W . M . No . 3 bis , purporting to be a

memorial ov petition , sent in by the Lodge of Glasgow , St . John , No . 3 bis , anent the carrying of the working tools at Masonic processions in the Glasgow province After this document had been read and presented I took the liberty to remark to tho effect that I ( although a member of No . 3 bis , ) knew nothing about this document , and would consider myseif disgraced were my name attached to it , and as for the Malcolm Charter , to which allusion was made in it , I considered ifc to be

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BASTARD MASONRY IN ENGLAND. Article 1
PIUS IX. vs. BIBLE SOCIETIES AND FREEMASONRY. Article 2
A PROFANE'S IDEAS OF MASONRY. Article 3
NON-AFFILIATED MASONS. Article 4
THE MASON'S GRAVE. Article 5
THE ANCIENT AND ACCEPTED RITE IN AMERICA. Article 5
ANSWERS TO THE MEMORIAL OF THE LODGE OF GLASGOW ST. JOHN, No. 3 bis. Article 8
MASONIC KNIGHTS OF CONSTANTINOPLE. Article 12
MASONIC JOTTINGS.—No. 57. Article 12
ATHELSTANE—EDWIN. Article 12
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 12
MASONIC SAYINGS AND DOINGS ABROAD. Article 13
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 14
RECENT DEVIATIONS FROM THE MASONIC LANDMARKS. Article 14
Untitled Article 15
MASONIC MEMS. Article 15
GRAND LODGE. Article 15
Craft Masonry. Article 15
PROVINCIAL. Article 16
COLONIAL. Article 17
ROYAL ARCH. Article 17
SCOTLAND. Article 18
NOTES ON MUSIC AND THE DRAMA. Article 18
THE LONDON MUSIC HALLS. Article 19
Poetry. Article 19
LIST OF LODGE MEETINGS &c., FOR WEEK ENDING FEBRUARY 25TH , 1871. Article 20
METROPOLITAN LODGES AND CHAPTERS OF INSTRUCTION. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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The Ancient And Accepted Rite In America.

Sontatives with the spurious body at New Orleans . It has also founded lodges in South America . In reply to my protest against such acts , Bro . Frapolli says , that tho Grand Orient of Italy establishes no bodies in any country having a Supreme Masonic authority recognized by it . He transmitted to me a copy of a letter upon the same subject to the M . AV . Grand

Master of Masons in New York , and which is herewith submitted . In my reply , I insisted that before his body could establish fraternal relations with others , the recognition of spurious bodies must be withdrawn ; to this I have receiveci no reply . Unfortunately while Bro . Goodall was in Florence , Frapolli

was absent . He had expressed a strong desire to meet onr Representative , and possess him fully with his views in relation to Masonry in Italy . In his letter to me , he insists that Bro . Goodail was led to make ninny mistakes in his former report . He denounces the Supreme Council at Turin as spurious . Bro . Goodall has carefully investigated the claims of the

Council at Turin , and the one at Florence , which is connected in some manner , utterly unintelligible to him , with the Grand Orient . He submitted certain questions to both bodies , to which they promised to reply directly to me , before our session , but as yet 1 have received nothing dated after the arrival of Bro Goodall in Italy .

. It is very certain , that with our present formation , we cannot recognize any Supreme Council in Italy . It is very questionable whether there is a regularly established Body of the Rite in that Country . GEAXD OEIEST 01 ? FEAKOE . —By a resolution adopted last year I was directed to address a communication of inquiry to the Grand Orient of Prance , in relation to the allegations in a

certain memorial then before the Supreme Council . I forwarded such a letter through Bro . Poulle , our Representative : ho replied at once , denying the allegations ; more recently , I have received a communication from G . Sec . Thuvenot , a copy of which is herewith submitted . It will he perceived that his denial is most complete .

I regret to announce , that the hopes entertained by me last year , that the Grand Orient would recede from her position in relation to ihe spurious body in XSfew Orleans , have not been fulfilled . The only action taken is indicated in an official communication , a copy of which is herewith submitted . This does not allude to the question at issue , but it is the action of the Grand

Orient in relation to the subject ; and it is the only reply to the Balustre , to whieh I referred in my address a year ago . Believing definite action should be taken at this session , I united M . P . Bro . Albert Pike , Sov . Gr . Com . of the Supreme Council for the Southern Jurisdiction , in preparing a Balustre to be laid before our respective Supreme Councils , a Copy of

which will be submitted during the session , by the Representative of the Supremo Council of the Southern Jurisdiction . It was adopted by our Sister Supreme Council , and I trust it will meet jc-ur approval , and be sanctioned by you . The suggestion of M . P . Bro . Pike , that iu a matter of so much moment , the joint action of our two Councils would have more weight , and

should therefore be taken , seems to me wise , anel the proposed course proper . The adoption of this will be all the answer we need make to the Balusti-e of the Grand Orient . BitAKVL . —1 have received a communication from the " Grand Orient and Supreme Council of Brazil , Valley of the Benedictines , " controverting tho statements of Bro . Goodall , in his report in 3 Sti 8 . As it was received after Bro . Goodall left the country , I have had no opportunity to confer with him in rela-

The Ancient And Accepted Rite In America.

tion to it . It asserts that under the jurisdiction of that Body are forty-nine lodges , with a membership of five thousand seven hundred and twenty-two . OTIIEB SUPBEIIE CoTTtfCiLS IN SOUTH AMERICA . —No communications have been received , from the other South American Supreme Councils , and I am without information in respect to

them . MEXICO . —I have receiveci documents from a Body claiming to be The Supreme Council of Mexico , The M . P . Gr . Com . of the Southern Supreme Council in the proceedings of that Body for 1868 , gives a history of Masonry in Mexico , and comes to the conclusion that the body in question is irregular . In this

opinion I concur . SOUTHEES" SUPEEME COUKCIII . —With this body our relations continue to be of the most fraternal and intimate character . It has sustained an irreparable loss in the death of several of its members , including 111 . Bro . William S . Rockwell , 33 ° lit . Gr . Com . I am happy to learn that the Eite in that jurisdiction is

rapidly recovering from the disastrous effects of the war , and that our 111 . brethren are giving themselves zealously to the work . The only disturbing element is the Supreme Body at New Orleans ; and that creates no disturbance at home . It would , on its own account , not be dignified with any notice ; but ifc disturbs the relations with other Supreme Councils . It is very singular , that in almost all the discussions in Foreign

Grand Bodies upon this , the question of jurisdiction has not been mentioned , but action has been based upon the supposed admission of members without regard to race or color . Inasmuch as all regular affiliated Master Masons are eligible candidates for the degrees of our Rite , and inasmuch as there are bodies of colored men in this country claiming to be regular

lodges of Master Masons , it is proper to consider the question , of the admission of these men into our bodies . They claim to be l-egular Masons ; they am nnt recognized as regular by the Grand Lodges which we recognize . But it is asserted , that really and truly they are just as regular as the Masons whom we do recognize .

Answers To The Memorial Of The Lodge Of Glasgow St. John, No. 3 Bis.

ANSWERS TO THE MEMORIAL OF THE LODGE OF GLASGOW ST . JOHN , No . 3 bis .

( Vide Memorial , at page 459 of Magazine , Sec . 3 rd , 1870 . 151 , West Kile Street , Glasgow , December 14 th , 1870 . To tire Most Worshipful the Grand Master Mason of Scotland , the Bight "Worshi pful Depute and Substitute Grand Masters , the B . 'W . Senior and Junior Graud

Wardens , and the Remanent Office-Bearers and Members of the Grand Lodge of Ereemasons of Scotland . Dear Brethren , At the meeting of the Grand Lodge of Scotland , held in the Freemasons' Hall , Edinburgh , upon the 7 th day of November , 1870 , a document was read by Bro . John Baird , K . W . M . No . 3 bis , purporting to be a

memorial ov petition , sent in by the Lodge of Glasgow , St . John , No . 3 bis , anent the carrying of the working tools at Masonic processions in the Glasgow province After this document had been read and presented I took the liberty to remark to tho effect that I ( although a member of No . 3 bis , ) knew nothing about this document , and would consider myseif disgraced were my name attached to it , and as for the Malcolm Charter , to which allusion was made in it , I considered ifc to be

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