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Contents . PAGE . FREEVSIASOJTS' MAGAZISE : — Freemasonry in France 481 The Grand Loelge of the Three Globes , Berlin 483 History of Freemasonry in AA orcestershiro 481 Masonic Jottings—No . 21 487 Masonic Archaiological Institute 487

Masonic Notes and Queries 489 Correspondence 491 Masonic Sayings and Doings Abroad 492 MiBOSIC MtEKOK : — Masonic Mems 494 CSAPT LOUGE MEETINGS : — Metropolitan , 494 Provincial 494

India 496 Royal Arch 498 Ancient anel Accepted Rite 499 Reviews 499 Obituary 499 Scientific Meetings 500 List of Loelge , & c , Meetings for ensuing week 500 To Correspondents , 500

Freemasonry In France.

FREEMASONRY IN FRANCE .

LONDON , SATURDAY , JJJNF 18 , 1870 .

( Continued from page 462 . ) Lodge Francaise clue Ecossaise demanded " that the Grand Orient should not arrogate to itself" the power of reprimanding and . punishing brethren , as in cases of certain brethren cited . The demand is

made on the ground that the lodges only have the right in cases of Masonic discipline , Avhile it admits the jurisdiction of the Grand Orient in cases of violation of the Constitutions . The lodge therefore proposed that , in conformity to the

Constitutions , an administrative court be established , independent of other powers , with two degrees of jurisdiction . Article 25 of the Constitution gives to the Grand . Master the right to suspend brethren , leaving them at liberty to appeal to the Council of the Order within 33 days .

It seems natural that since the Masonic law regards a reprimand as a higher punishment than that of suspension , the Grand Master , and likewise the Council , can lessen the punishment , and consider the reprimand as sufficient . This was

the case with the Masons of Bordeaux . As to the case of Bro . Patry , it was explained that the decision was different . The Grand Master had merely said that he thought he had occasion to reprimand Bro . Patry through the intervention of

the W . Master of the lodge . It was merely an advice ; nothing more . The subject was then dropped . A proposition of the Sixth Bureau was presented : — " In consideration that certificates , briefs ,

and patents delivered by the Grand Orient of France , being in but one language , are insufficient for the purposes of brethren travelling in distant countries , aud likewise that foreign jurisdictions deliver them in two languages ( Latin and the

national language ) , it is desirable that the Grand Orient should issue all Masonic certificates in three languages , French , English , and Spanish . " Bro Venot reported that the only difficulty would be to choose a language besides the national tongue in which documents should be printed . He considered the best course would be to use the

French language , with a translation into Latin . Bro . Colfavru observed that the use of the French language was now almost universal , and therefore it was unnecessary to introduce any other language . Especially he opposed the

introduction of Latin , an obscure language of the past . After some further observations , the proposition of Bro . Yienot was put to the vote , but was not carried .

Lodge "La Phare Hospitalier , " Orient of Senlis , demanded a recognition by the G . O . of the the right each lodge in France to correspond at will with French or foreign lodges upon questions of administration and finance , and of social and

philosophical progress ; centralisation being condemned by all enlightened and progressive classes . Freemasonry being a lover of progress , can it refuse to strengthen the rights and powers of its lodges ?

Bro . Vienot , in his report , considered there was no necessity for this proposition . He remarked that the lodges already possessed the right of correspondence here demanded . Although , a clause was proposed forbidding such intercommunication ,

it was not adopted . The only prohibition which existed was a collective deliberation ; the right of correspondence , he said , existed . The Council apparently deemed this explanation satisfactory , for the subject was not further

pressed . The same lodge also brought forward a desire that the subject of universal peace should be advocated by the Masonic body . The Council were of opinion that the desire was a legitimate

application of the principles of the Masonic Fraternity , , but could not see any means by which they could forward the object . A suggestion from Lodge Progres , Orient of Saint Geniijs de Malgoires , that application should

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FREEMASONRY IN FRANCE. Article 1
THE GRAND LODGE OF THE THREE GLOBES ,BERLIN. Article 3
HISTORY OF FREEMASONRY IN WORCESTERSHIRE. Article 4
MASONIC JOTTINGS.—No. 24. Article 7
MASONIC ARCHÆOLOGICAL INSTITUTE. Article 7
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 9
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 11
MASONIC LITERATURE AND THE FREEMASONS. Article 12
MARK LODGES. Article 12
MASONIC SAYINGS AND DOINGS ABROAD. Article 12
Untitled Article 14
MASONIC MEMS. Article 14
Craft Masonry. Article 14
INDIA. Article 16
ROYAL ARCH. Article 18
ANCIENT AND ACCEPTED RITE. Article 19
REVIEWS Article 19
Obituary. Article 19
SCIENTIFIC MEETINGS FOR THE WEEK. Article 20
LIST OF LODGE, MEETINGS, &c, FOR WEEK ENDING 23RD, JUNE 1870. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Contents . PAGE . FREEVSIASOJTS' MAGAZISE : — Freemasonry in France 481 The Grand Loelge of the Three Globes , Berlin 483 History of Freemasonry in AA orcestershiro 481 Masonic Jottings—No . 21 487 Masonic Archaiological Institute 487

Masonic Notes and Queries 489 Correspondence 491 Masonic Sayings and Doings Abroad 492 MiBOSIC MtEKOK : — Masonic Mems 494 CSAPT LOUGE MEETINGS : — Metropolitan , 494 Provincial 494

India 496 Royal Arch 498 Ancient anel Accepted Rite 499 Reviews 499 Obituary 499 Scientific Meetings 500 List of Loelge , & c , Meetings for ensuing week 500 To Correspondents , 500

Freemasonry In France.

FREEMASONRY IN FRANCE .

LONDON , SATURDAY , JJJNF 18 , 1870 .

( Continued from page 462 . ) Lodge Francaise clue Ecossaise demanded " that the Grand Orient should not arrogate to itself" the power of reprimanding and . punishing brethren , as in cases of certain brethren cited . The demand is

made on the ground that the lodges only have the right in cases of Masonic discipline , Avhile it admits the jurisdiction of the Grand Orient in cases of violation of the Constitutions . The lodge therefore proposed that , in conformity to the

Constitutions , an administrative court be established , independent of other powers , with two degrees of jurisdiction . Article 25 of the Constitution gives to the Grand . Master the right to suspend brethren , leaving them at liberty to appeal to the Council of the Order within 33 days .

It seems natural that since the Masonic law regards a reprimand as a higher punishment than that of suspension , the Grand Master , and likewise the Council , can lessen the punishment , and consider the reprimand as sufficient . This was

the case with the Masons of Bordeaux . As to the case of Bro . Patry , it was explained that the decision was different . The Grand Master had merely said that he thought he had occasion to reprimand Bro . Patry through the intervention of

the W . Master of the lodge . It was merely an advice ; nothing more . The subject was then dropped . A proposition of the Sixth Bureau was presented : — " In consideration that certificates , briefs ,

and patents delivered by the Grand Orient of France , being in but one language , are insufficient for the purposes of brethren travelling in distant countries , aud likewise that foreign jurisdictions deliver them in two languages ( Latin and the

national language ) , it is desirable that the Grand Orient should issue all Masonic certificates in three languages , French , English , and Spanish . " Bro Venot reported that the only difficulty would be to choose a language besides the national tongue in which documents should be printed . He considered the best course would be to use the

French language , with a translation into Latin . Bro . Colfavru observed that the use of the French language was now almost universal , and therefore it was unnecessary to introduce any other language . Especially he opposed the

introduction of Latin , an obscure language of the past . After some further observations , the proposition of Bro . Yienot was put to the vote , but was not carried .

Lodge "La Phare Hospitalier , " Orient of Senlis , demanded a recognition by the G . O . of the the right each lodge in France to correspond at will with French or foreign lodges upon questions of administration and finance , and of social and

philosophical progress ; centralisation being condemned by all enlightened and progressive classes . Freemasonry being a lover of progress , can it refuse to strengthen the rights and powers of its lodges ?

Bro . Vienot , in his report , considered there was no necessity for this proposition . He remarked that the lodges already possessed the right of correspondence here demanded . Although , a clause was proposed forbidding such intercommunication ,

it was not adopted . The only prohibition which existed was a collective deliberation ; the right of correspondence , he said , existed . The Council apparently deemed this explanation satisfactory , for the subject was not further

pressed . The same lodge also brought forward a desire that the subject of universal peace should be advocated by the Masonic body . The Council were of opinion that the desire was a legitimate

application of the principles of the Masonic Fraternity , , but could not see any means by which they could forward the object . A suggestion from Lodge Progres , Orient of Saint Geniijs de Malgoires , that application should

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