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Masonic Notes And Queries.

BEO . HARRIS . Although I may lay myself open to A . & A . ' s charge of being , like Bro . Harris , " a well-meaning but ignorant simpleton" (! save the mark , hide thy diminished head , oh ! satiric humour ) , I should be obliged if the misguided brother would help me in

my present strait . Certain brethren—I much fear very ignorant simpletons—desire to be initiated into the mysteries of Misraim . I haA'e placed rituals of the Ninety Degrees at their service , but they do not -wished them read but worked . Now , Bro . Harris , since you have made so glorious an amalgam of the

Chivalric Degrees , can you not come to my aid and unite the whole Ninety Degrees in one . The Eite of Misraim is a real Kite , embracing all the degrees of the A . and A ., so that even A . & A . cannot have a stone to shy at you , ignorant simpleton as you are . "What would to a neiv Order to be called the

you say Ignorant Simpletons ? If you will be G . M ., I shall offer my services as G-. Tyler . I knoiv a host of imbeciles who would willingly take the other offices — THEODOEIC THOMPSON , T . Ill , T . Eel . et T . P . Pr . Gr . President , 90 ° .

SUPREME COUNCIL . A foreign brother , a member of the 33 ° , asks fur information about the Supreme Grand Council of England . I beg to refer him to that admirable little compendium of Masonic intelligence , the " British , Irishand Colonial Masonic Calendar'' from which

, , he Avill glean a good deal respecting the A . & A . Eite . Tlie S . Gr . C . meets in London . AVhen last I attended it was at Freemasons' Hall , but my impression is that the Council now meets at Golden-square . As to the status of its members : three are colonels in the army , one is a P . G . M . and P . G . Commander

of Knights Templar , and another a D . P . G . M . ; two or three are Fellows of the Eoyal Society , avid the others are all more or less celebrated as both bright and learned Masons , Tbe late Dr . Oliver , the most noted Masonic author of modern times , AA'as a member of the 33 ° ; and Dr . Beaumont Leeson , Avho was till recently the M . P . Sov . Grand Commander , is

probably more deeply \* ersed iu the mysteries and history of the higher degrees than any other Freemason in this country . Of the S . P . E . S . 32 ' , one , at least , of my acquaintance is G . M . of his province , aud I Avish other P . G . M . ' s Avhom I could name Avere only half as zealous in the discharge of their duties as he is , then they might hope to be as deservedly popular . In the

list of members of the 31 ° and 30 ° , I find many notable names . The Earl of Carnarvon , Viscount Kilworfch , Lord Leigh , Sir Patrick Colquhoun , and Sir Darnel G-ooch are all members of the 30 ° , and , if I mistake not , Earl Percy has just joined its ranks . There are 24 Chapters of Eose Croix 18 ° under the S . G . C , inat

cluding one Melbourne , another at Gibraltar , and a third afc Constantinople . I daresay some other brother abler than mj ^ self ivill answer the other queries of A 33 ° ; and I am sure Capt . Phillips , the courteous Secretary General to the S . G . C , will be very _ happy to give our forei gn distinguished brother any information he can on the subject > u JE 30 ° .

THE SEVEN EPOCHS OE FREEMASONRX . Is the idea on page 208 of the seven epochs of Freemasonry taken from Mr . Sharpe ' s " Seven Periods of English Architecture ?— "W " . P . B .

Masonic Notes And Queries.

THE DELUSIONS OE EOSA CEUCIS . Corinthian Order . —Eosa Crucis has found in Josephus that the Temple of Solomon had its roof " according to the Corinthian Order . " AVould Eosa Crucis give us the Book , Chapter , and Section , where he makes this notable discovery ? Ifc has

generally been supposed that the Corinthian Order of Architecture was invented many centuries after the days of Solomon and under the following circumstances . A nurse had deposited in a basket on the grave of a departed child the toys which she had amused herself with Avhen alive . The basket was

placed accidentally on the root of an acanthus , and in spring , when the leaves greAv , they curled gracefully round tbe basket , and under a flat stone which Avas laid on the top of ifc formed Avhat may be called volutes , Callimachus , the sculptor , seeing it , caught the ideaand worked out afc Corinth the beautiful

, capital since called after that city . It is a matter of considerable controversy whether Corinth was builfc in the days of Solomon , although legend places the date of its foundation three centuries previous to his reign . One thing , however , has never been

disputed , and that is the invention of tlie Corinthian Order by Callimachus . I suspect Eosa Crucis has confounded Herod ' s Temple with Solomon ' s , as on a previous occasion he confounded ifc with Zerubbabel's . If he turns to Josephus ' s "Antiquities of the Jews , " book xv ., chap . 11 , section 5 , he will find the passages he refers to as relative to Herod ' s Temple . I fear he

will Avait awhile before he finds Josephus making the egregious error of introducing the Corinthian Order into the Temple of Solomon . Masons by Right . —Can Eosa Crucis point to any Grand Lodge which by its Constitutions endorses hia views ou this subject ? If the Grand Lodge of

England did so , the Trinity and not the Unity Avould be invoked at all meetings . It is only brethren who seem to think the so-called Higher Degrees pure Masonry who adopt such a view . Common Masons , like myself , think the higher they get the more confused they become among the cloudy jargon of

bombastic phrases and exploded fables . If Eosa Crucis has nothing better in his Bundle of Masonic Memoranda to bring forth in answer he had better burn it . —ANTHONX ONEAL HAVE .

MYSTIC NUMBERS . Numbers 3 , 5 , 7 , and 9 are great numbers in Masonry . Is Number One an important number?—AN . E . A . TIUNOSOPHES . This is not au uncommon name for French lodges .

Will our learned Bro . Cooper inform us what it means ?—C . M . D . THE " ErVE" ORDERS OE ARCHITECTURE ( pp . 187 , 209 ) versus THE " THREE " ORDERS OE ARCHITECTURE . Afc page 163 I alluded to the absurdity of speaking

about the Five Orders of Architecture as having been in existence in the time of Solomon ( about 1 , 000 years B . C . ) Solomon undoubtedly Avas acquainted with the style of architecture in use amongst the Greeks ; but the Greeks only used Three Orders , viz .: Doric , Ionic , and Corinthian . It ivas not until long after the foundation of Eouie ( 752 B . C . ) that

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THE KNIGHTS TEMPLARS. Article 1
CHAPTER II. Article 2
FREEMASONRY IN TASMANIA. Article 5
A MASONIC INSURANCE SOCIETY. Article 7
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 8
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 11
MASONIC IMPOSTORS. Article 11
DUTIES OF OFFICERS. Article 12
D. P. G. M. Article 12
HIGH DEGREES AND SHAM DEGREES. Article 12
MASONIC RELIEF IN THE PROVINCES. Article 12
MASONIC MEMS. Article 13
METROPOLITAN. Article 13
PROVINCIAL. Article 14
SCOTLAND. Article 16
IRELAND. Article 16
CHANNEL ISLANDS. Article 16
BRITISH AMERICA. Article 16
SOUTH AFRICA. Article 17
ROYAL ARCH. Article 17
KNIGHTS TEMPLAR. Article 19
ROSE CROIX. Article 19
Obituary. Article 19
PUBLIC AMUSEMENTS. Article 19
Poetry. Article 20
THE MASONIC RITUAL. Article 20
THE GOOD MAN. Article 20
METROPOLITAN LODGE MEETINGS, ETC., FOR THE WEEK ENDING SEPTEMBER 26th, 1868. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Masonic Notes And Queries.

BEO . HARRIS . Although I may lay myself open to A . & A . ' s charge of being , like Bro . Harris , " a well-meaning but ignorant simpleton" (! save the mark , hide thy diminished head , oh ! satiric humour ) , I should be obliged if the misguided brother would help me in

my present strait . Certain brethren—I much fear very ignorant simpletons—desire to be initiated into the mysteries of Misraim . I haA'e placed rituals of the Ninety Degrees at their service , but they do not -wished them read but worked . Now , Bro . Harris , since you have made so glorious an amalgam of the

Chivalric Degrees , can you not come to my aid and unite the whole Ninety Degrees in one . The Eite of Misraim is a real Kite , embracing all the degrees of the A . and A ., so that even A . & A . cannot have a stone to shy at you , ignorant simpleton as you are . "What would to a neiv Order to be called the

you say Ignorant Simpletons ? If you will be G . M ., I shall offer my services as G-. Tyler . I knoiv a host of imbeciles who would willingly take the other offices — THEODOEIC THOMPSON , T . Ill , T . Eel . et T . P . Pr . Gr . President , 90 ° .

SUPREME COUNCIL . A foreign brother , a member of the 33 ° , asks fur information about the Supreme Grand Council of England . I beg to refer him to that admirable little compendium of Masonic intelligence , the " British , Irishand Colonial Masonic Calendar'' from which

, , he Avill glean a good deal respecting the A . & A . Eite . Tlie S . Gr . C . meets in London . AVhen last I attended it was at Freemasons' Hall , but my impression is that the Council now meets at Golden-square . As to the status of its members : three are colonels in the army , one is a P . G . M . and P . G . Commander

of Knights Templar , and another a D . P . G . M . ; two or three are Fellows of the Eoyal Society , avid the others are all more or less celebrated as both bright and learned Masons , Tbe late Dr . Oliver , the most noted Masonic author of modern times , AA'as a member of the 33 ° ; and Dr . Beaumont Leeson , Avho was till recently the M . P . Sov . Grand Commander , is

probably more deeply \* ersed iu the mysteries and history of the higher degrees than any other Freemason in this country . Of the S . P . E . S . 32 ' , one , at least , of my acquaintance is G . M . of his province , aud I Avish other P . G . M . ' s Avhom I could name Avere only half as zealous in the discharge of their duties as he is , then they might hope to be as deservedly popular . In the

list of members of the 31 ° and 30 ° , I find many notable names . The Earl of Carnarvon , Viscount Kilworfch , Lord Leigh , Sir Patrick Colquhoun , and Sir Darnel G-ooch are all members of the 30 ° , and , if I mistake not , Earl Percy has just joined its ranks . There are 24 Chapters of Eose Croix 18 ° under the S . G . C , inat

cluding one Melbourne , another at Gibraltar , and a third afc Constantinople . I daresay some other brother abler than mj ^ self ivill answer the other queries of A 33 ° ; and I am sure Capt . Phillips , the courteous Secretary General to the S . G . C , will be very _ happy to give our forei gn distinguished brother any information he can on the subject > u JE 30 ° .

THE SEVEN EPOCHS OE FREEMASONRX . Is the idea on page 208 of the seven epochs of Freemasonry taken from Mr . Sharpe ' s " Seven Periods of English Architecture ?— "W " . P . B .

Masonic Notes And Queries.

THE DELUSIONS OE EOSA CEUCIS . Corinthian Order . —Eosa Crucis has found in Josephus that the Temple of Solomon had its roof " according to the Corinthian Order . " AVould Eosa Crucis give us the Book , Chapter , and Section , where he makes this notable discovery ? Ifc has

generally been supposed that the Corinthian Order of Architecture was invented many centuries after the days of Solomon and under the following circumstances . A nurse had deposited in a basket on the grave of a departed child the toys which she had amused herself with Avhen alive . The basket was

placed accidentally on the root of an acanthus , and in spring , when the leaves greAv , they curled gracefully round tbe basket , and under a flat stone which Avas laid on the top of ifc formed Avhat may be called volutes , Callimachus , the sculptor , seeing it , caught the ideaand worked out afc Corinth the beautiful

, capital since called after that city . It is a matter of considerable controversy whether Corinth was builfc in the days of Solomon , although legend places the date of its foundation three centuries previous to his reign . One thing , however , has never been

disputed , and that is the invention of tlie Corinthian Order by Callimachus . I suspect Eosa Crucis has confounded Herod ' s Temple with Solomon ' s , as on a previous occasion he confounded ifc with Zerubbabel's . If he turns to Josephus ' s "Antiquities of the Jews , " book xv ., chap . 11 , section 5 , he will find the passages he refers to as relative to Herod ' s Temple . I fear he

will Avait awhile before he finds Josephus making the egregious error of introducing the Corinthian Order into the Temple of Solomon . Masons by Right . —Can Eosa Crucis point to any Grand Lodge which by its Constitutions endorses hia views ou this subject ? If the Grand Lodge of

England did so , the Trinity and not the Unity Avould be invoked at all meetings . It is only brethren who seem to think the so-called Higher Degrees pure Masonry who adopt such a view . Common Masons , like myself , think the higher they get the more confused they become among the cloudy jargon of

bombastic phrases and exploded fables . If Eosa Crucis has nothing better in his Bundle of Masonic Memoranda to bring forth in answer he had better burn it . —ANTHONX ONEAL HAVE .

MYSTIC NUMBERS . Numbers 3 , 5 , 7 , and 9 are great numbers in Masonry . Is Number One an important number?—AN . E . A . TIUNOSOPHES . This is not au uncommon name for French lodges .

Will our learned Bro . Cooper inform us what it means ?—C . M . D . THE " ErVE" ORDERS OE ARCHITECTURE ( pp . 187 , 209 ) versus THE " THREE " ORDERS OE ARCHITECTURE . Afc page 163 I alluded to the absurdity of speaking

about the Five Orders of Architecture as having been in existence in the time of Solomon ( about 1 , 000 years B . C . ) Solomon undoubtedly Avas acquainted with the style of architecture in use amongst the Greeks ; but the Greeks only used Three Orders , viz .: Doric , Ionic , and Corinthian . It ivas not until long after the foundation of Eouie ( 752 B . C . ) that

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