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Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

The Editor is not responsible for the opinions expressed by Correspondents . MASONIC DISCIPLINE . Br CRUX .

TO THE EDITOH OF THE FHEEilASOXS MAGAZINE AXD SrASOSlC 3-IItROH . Dear Sir and Brother , — In the " Gentleman ' s Magazine'' for March , I find the following quotation in an article about the new House of Commons : — " Nor are these friendships confined to the men who sit on the same side of the House . Many of the men oppositewhose cheers you fling back and whose

, taunts you retort , are your very good neighbours and intimate boon companions . With them you lend and borrow , shoot and hunt , sit in judgment on poachers , highway roads , and county bridges , and with their families you marry and intermarry . There is usually ¦ a certain flavour of formality or punctiliousness in the

intercourse of the men who sit opposite to each other ; but with a score of them you would trust your life , and to serve these you would go to Nova Zembla . " The above seems to me to have a fine chivalrous ring about it ; and , in the spirit therein described , would I cross swords , or differ in opinion , with " Crux " or any

-other worthy contributor to the Magazine . To the point then . " Crux " is not to get off so ¦ easily as he would give out . The words which I ¦ quoted at page 169 , aud which " Crux " used at page 144 , are , — " the rites aud ceremonies belonging to a -fraternity coeval with the creation of the firmament . " But now , at page 208 , " Crux " alters his story to , — " The pn'inci jiles of our ancient and honourable institution were coeval with the creation of the

firmament , which is rather different— " rites and ceremonies " are one thing , " principles " * another—so I need say nothing further about that faux pas ; but I would refer to a remark in that repertoire of facts and fancies , "A Lexicon t of Freemasonry , " by an esteemed brother , A . G . Mackay , M . D .: — " Freemasonry is in its princi ples undoubtedly coeval with

the creation , but in its organization , as a peculiar institution , such as it now exists , we dare not trace it further back than to the building of King Solomon ' s Temple . " I would be inclined to put that as follows : — "The principles of Freemasonry—or , rather , the principles which Freemasonry has adopted , copied , or assumed—are undoubtedly coeval with the creation ; but the origin of its organization as a peculiar

institution dates only a few centuries back , at the moat with the building fraternities of the middle ages ; but , ' such as it now exists , " its rise dates at most about the 17 th century . Any pretended historical or real connexion with Solomon ' s Temple is unfounded . " I need not ask " Crux" to give any sensibly

historic authority for the words he used at page 144 . or for many at page 208 . When he says , —¦ " I decline all controversy respecting the antiquity of the Order , " it is about as much as to say , better leave that alone— -the Greek warning says it is dangerous ground . "Crux , " however , tells us that , on the

" Supreme authority of his Grand Lodge certificate , " he is justified in saying that Freemasonry is about G , 000 years old , but in saying so it " is simply the corbororation of a printed fact " A . L . 5873 . Oh ! Crux , Crux ! what special pleading ! because a statement is " printed " by the Grand Lodge does that constitute

it a "fact ?" I know of no " supreme authority " I would stand up for in a question of historic fact , if I knew that supreme authority to be mistaken—as it mig ht be . Because the French are a nation and the Jews were a nation , does that prove that the French nation is

descended from , or ever had any connexion with , the Jewish nation ? Certainly not . Because the Freemasons have secrets and ceremonies and the ancient mystics hail secrets and ceremonies , does that prove that the Freemasons are descended from , or ever had any connexion with , the ancient mystics ? Certainly not .

" Crux " then tries to pass off his idea of " our Masonic predecessors getting into the saddle" by telling us about the builders of the Second Temple ; but I would ask , what had they to do with Freemasonry ? And there is no account of their having been horse-soldiers , they were simply footmen .

However , tbe picture of the old Jewish builders at their work , sword , in hand , would make a good simile if properly brought in . *' I object to the common and popular mode of writing and speaking about Freemasonry so largely in vogue , because it is so highly calculated to mislead many

worthy brethren who have not the education and time to examine things properly for themselves ; and the fact is , many who indulge in doing so , come ultimately to mystify even themselves , until they become much more believing than they ever intended . There is any quantity of room for Masonic

rhetorical flights in dealing with the " principles " of our Order , if only one takes the proper plan ; p lenty of room , too , with us for any amouut of " intellectuality , ' ' ancl " capital feeds" and they are not to be despised either , both are good in their own p laces . Freemasonry knows that the body requires food as well as the mind ,

and the mind requires food as well as the body ; therefore , tbe intellectual and material wants must both be seen to , —only do not allow the one to encroach or usurp the place of the other ; and , as it is his intellect that raises man above the brute , let tbe " intellectual ' , have the greater honour .

In conclusion , in regard to the subject of " Masonic Disci pline , " I can assure "Crux ' ' most sincerely that I highly esteem his very valuable articles

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MYSTICS AND MYSTICISM. No. IV. Article 1
THE KNIGHTS TEMPLARS. Article 2
ADDRESS. Article 4
ORATION. Article 7
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CORRESPONDENCE. Article 11
Untitled Article 13
MASONIC MEMS. Article 13
METROPOLITAN. Article 13
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WEST INDIES. Article 16
ROYAL ARCH. Article 17
MARK MASONRY. Article 17
KNIGHTS TEMPLAR. Article 18
REVIEWS Article 18
PROVINCIAL FUNERAL GRAND LODGE IN MEMORIAM OF THE LATE BRO. CAPTAIN SPEIRS, M.P., PROV. G. MASTER OF GLASGOW. Article 18
MASONIC LIFEBOAT FUND. Article 19
PUBLIC AMUSEMENTS. Article 19
MEETINGS OF THE LEARNED SOCIETIES. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

The Editor is not responsible for the opinions expressed by Correspondents . MASONIC DISCIPLINE . Br CRUX .

TO THE EDITOH OF THE FHEEilASOXS MAGAZINE AXD SrASOSlC 3-IItROH . Dear Sir and Brother , — In the " Gentleman ' s Magazine'' for March , I find the following quotation in an article about the new House of Commons : — " Nor are these friendships confined to the men who sit on the same side of the House . Many of the men oppositewhose cheers you fling back and whose

, taunts you retort , are your very good neighbours and intimate boon companions . With them you lend and borrow , shoot and hunt , sit in judgment on poachers , highway roads , and county bridges , and with their families you marry and intermarry . There is usually ¦ a certain flavour of formality or punctiliousness in the

intercourse of the men who sit opposite to each other ; but with a score of them you would trust your life , and to serve these you would go to Nova Zembla . " The above seems to me to have a fine chivalrous ring about it ; and , in the spirit therein described , would I cross swords , or differ in opinion , with " Crux " or any

-other worthy contributor to the Magazine . To the point then . " Crux " is not to get off so ¦ easily as he would give out . The words which I ¦ quoted at page 169 , aud which " Crux " used at page 144 , are , — " the rites aud ceremonies belonging to a -fraternity coeval with the creation of the firmament . " But now , at page 208 , " Crux " alters his story to , — " The pn'inci jiles of our ancient and honourable institution were coeval with the creation of the

firmament , which is rather different— " rites and ceremonies " are one thing , " principles " * another—so I need say nothing further about that faux pas ; but I would refer to a remark in that repertoire of facts and fancies , "A Lexicon t of Freemasonry , " by an esteemed brother , A . G . Mackay , M . D .: — " Freemasonry is in its princi ples undoubtedly coeval with

the creation , but in its organization , as a peculiar institution , such as it now exists , we dare not trace it further back than to the building of King Solomon ' s Temple . " I would be inclined to put that as follows : — "The principles of Freemasonry—or , rather , the principles which Freemasonry has adopted , copied , or assumed—are undoubtedly coeval with the creation ; but the origin of its organization as a peculiar

institution dates only a few centuries back , at the moat with the building fraternities of the middle ages ; but , ' such as it now exists , " its rise dates at most about the 17 th century . Any pretended historical or real connexion with Solomon ' s Temple is unfounded . " I need not ask " Crux" to give any sensibly

historic authority for the words he used at page 144 . or for many at page 208 . When he says , —¦ " I decline all controversy respecting the antiquity of the Order , " it is about as much as to say , better leave that alone— -the Greek warning says it is dangerous ground . "Crux , " however , tells us that , on the

" Supreme authority of his Grand Lodge certificate , " he is justified in saying that Freemasonry is about G , 000 years old , but in saying so it " is simply the corbororation of a printed fact " A . L . 5873 . Oh ! Crux , Crux ! what special pleading ! because a statement is " printed " by the Grand Lodge does that constitute

it a "fact ?" I know of no " supreme authority " I would stand up for in a question of historic fact , if I knew that supreme authority to be mistaken—as it mig ht be . Because the French are a nation and the Jews were a nation , does that prove that the French nation is

descended from , or ever had any connexion with , the Jewish nation ? Certainly not . Because the Freemasons have secrets and ceremonies and the ancient mystics hail secrets and ceremonies , does that prove that the Freemasons are descended from , or ever had any connexion with , the ancient mystics ? Certainly not .

" Crux " then tries to pass off his idea of " our Masonic predecessors getting into the saddle" by telling us about the builders of the Second Temple ; but I would ask , what had they to do with Freemasonry ? And there is no account of their having been horse-soldiers , they were simply footmen .

However , tbe picture of the old Jewish builders at their work , sword , in hand , would make a good simile if properly brought in . *' I object to the common and popular mode of writing and speaking about Freemasonry so largely in vogue , because it is so highly calculated to mislead many

worthy brethren who have not the education and time to examine things properly for themselves ; and the fact is , many who indulge in doing so , come ultimately to mystify even themselves , until they become much more believing than they ever intended . There is any quantity of room for Masonic

rhetorical flights in dealing with the " principles " of our Order , if only one takes the proper plan ; p lenty of room , too , with us for any amouut of " intellectuality , ' ' ancl " capital feeds" and they are not to be despised either , both are good in their own p laces . Freemasonry knows that the body requires food as well as the mind ,

and the mind requires food as well as the body ; therefore , tbe intellectual and material wants must both be seen to , —only do not allow the one to encroach or usurp the place of the other ; and , as it is his intellect that raises man above the brute , let tbe " intellectual ' , have the greater honour .

In conclusion , in regard to the subject of " Masonic Disci pline , " I can assure "Crux ' ' most sincerely that I highly esteem his very valuable articles

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