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Masonic Notes And Queries-

BELIGI 0 N 03 ? ENGLISH EEEEMA SONET IN 1732 . "In 1732 the Rev . Martin Clare , A . M ., was instructed by the Grand Lodge to prepare a system of lectures which should be adapted to the existing state of the Order , without infringing on the ancient landmarks . This commissionof courseresulted in

, , an amplification of the Andersonian system , and contained many improvements Avhich were so much liked that the practice of them Avas enjoined on all the lodges . Without , however , denuding them of all Christian allusions , many such were modified , and the Jewish brethren ' s peculiarities of faitli Avere taken

into account . Still they remained essentially Christian , recognising the Trinity , the institution of our Sunday , and the ecclesiastical symbolism attached to the numbers three , five , and seven . " —See Freemasons ' Magazine , vol . ix ., p . 34 . The foregoing is the passage respecting Avhich Bro . " N . P . E , " makes inquiry . — C . P . COOPEB .

SALONIKA . The first lodge founded in Salonika appears to have been one recorded by us , St . Jean d'Ecosse de l'Amitie , under warrant from the Grand Mother Scotch Lodge of Marseilles , dated 1801 ! This must have been long since defunct ; there is now an Italian

lodge , with an English W . M . BE 0 . HUeHAN . "All Masonry requires of its candidates is , that they must be of some religion or other , and must take some kind of O . B ., whatever that may be ,

and on what . "—See Bro . Hughan ' s commucication , " Bro . A . 0 . Have and Bro . H . B . White , " page 2 SS of the present volume . A correspondent , who Avrites from a college at Oxford , thinks this a very singular proposition , and in terms of great respect for Bro . Hughan , ventures to ask for some explanation of it . - —¦ C P . COOPBE .

SltXENA . Smyrna is known to be an ancient seat of Masonry , as will be found in the Freemasons' Magazine . Above 100 years ago a lodge was founded by au English traveller . In 1771 ( as we record elsewhere ) a lodge was founded under the name of St . Jean d'Ecosse des

Nations Reunies , reputed to be existent in 1 S 01 ; but this is doubtful . It is possible that this lodge was the French lodge working some years before the Greek troubles in 1826 , and of which its surviving members do not even recollect the name . In this lodge Lord Howden was initiated .

HOEDO AND MELEOSE . Above a door there used to be a compass with this inscription : — "So gayes the compass ev'n about , So truth and laute do but doubt , Behald to the end . —JOHN MUBDO . "

—ANTHONY ONEAL HATE . THE LATE HONSIEUE PEHDHON . My answer to the observation of - 'E . L . M . " is that 1 could have prayed God that a change might be wrought in the head and heart of Monsieur Prudhon , but , until such change had taken place , I could not have called him "brother . "—C P . COOPEB .

ST . JOHN AND AECH JIASONEY . Bro . Hughan , in his "Analysis , " says : "I cannot see , though , how a Master Mason , under the Grand Lodges of England and Scotland , can be complete Avithout taking the Royal Arch in this epoch of the Craft . " I think Bro . Lauriein his history , signally

, disposes of this Avhen he says : "Its ( theRoyal Arch ' s ) object is to supplement the third degree of St . John ' s Masonry ; bat this is entirely unnecessary , as it is known to every intelligent Master Mason that this Order is complete in itself , and that which Avas lost can only be found beyond the veil of time , towards

which the eye of the aspirant is directed . Moreover , it has never been recognised by that Order , but , on the contrary , carefully prevented from being in any Avay attached to it . " And this opinion is the opinion of every aged Mason Avith Avhom I have conversed . The late Bro . Cay , Sheriff of Linlithgow , a Ereeuiason of more than half a century , in a conversation

which I had Avifch him relative to the high degrees , said : " One can easily understand how in Masonry an universal brotherhood could exist , even with the third degree , for death is the end of every religious teaching ; but when you make Preemasonry sectarian by bringing in the Rose Croix , then it ceases to serve that purpose . Iand many others of my timewho

, , have considered the matter , think every degree above the third not only inimicable to pure Masonry , but a mass of falsehood and absurdity , which Avould disgrace even the imagination of a Yahoo . " Scotland rejects the Royal Arch from her Masonry , andif she was to admit itas a consequence she

, , Avould admit all the rest . A nice Grand Lodge it would be with the thirty-three degrees of the A . and A . Rite , or the ninety of Misraim ! Wine , and water are very good ; but , for my part , I like the wine in a different glass from the Avater . —ANTHONY ONEAL TTWE .

ROBERT BRUCE . The ancient Grand Lodge of Kilwinning- is said to havo been governed by Robert Bruce as Grand Master . —( Prom one of Bro- Purton Cooper's note-books . ) THE SCOTS GREYS . Our learned and esteemed Bro . Murray Lyon , in his

interesting account of a lodge formerly held in the Scots Greys , or 2 nd North British Dragoons , mentions that the regiment Avas formerly commanded by Colonel Napier , a distinguished brother of tho " mystic tie , " and I am sure he , as well as other readers of the Magazine , will be glad to learn that the corps is fit present commanded by a gallant officer who is also a Freemason , viz-, Colonel George Culvert Clarke , si brother of the Grand Secretary of England , Bro . William Gray Clarke . —MILES .

HEREDITARY GRAND MASTERS . Ill Scotland the Barons of Roslin Avere hereditary Grand Masters . —( Erom Bro . Purton Cooper ' s memorandum , book , No . 3 . ) MOTHER KILAVINXIXG AS A GllAXD LODGE . Bro . Murray Lyon ' s "Mother Kilwinning" communications to our periodical contain all the information upon this subject that a Devonshire correspondent desires . — C . P . COOPER .

TIHSHE is a refinement which even wit and knowledge of the world cannot teach their votaries , who often wound tho heart without violating perfect politeness .

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(No. 14.)—BRO. VICTOR HUGO AT HOME. Article 1
THE KNIGHTS TEMPLARS. Article 3
THE GRAND MOTHER SCOTCH LODGE OF MARSEILLES. Article 5
THE PALESTINE EXPLORATION FUND. Article 7
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES- Article 8
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 10
COMPOUNDING. Article 13
BRO. ROB. MORRIS AND FREEMASONRY AT DAMASCUS. Article 13
ANALYSIS OF ANCIENT AND MODERN FREEMASONR AND BRO. H. B. WHITE'S CORRECTION. Article 13
MASONIC ORDERS. Article 13
MASONIC MUSIC Article 14
MASONIC MEMS. Article 15
METROPOLITAN. Article 15
PROVINCIAL. Article 16
SCOTLAND. Article 19
IRELAND. Article 19
ROYAL ARCH. Article 20
PUBLIC AMUSEMENTS. Article 20
MEETINGS OF THE LEARNED SOCIETIES FOR THE WEEK ENDING JUNE 27TH, 1S68. Article 20
METROPOLITAN LODGE MEETINGS, ETC., FOR THE WEEK ENDING JUNE 27m, 1868. Article 20
MASONIC LIFEBOAT FUND. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Masonic Notes And Queries-

BELIGI 0 N 03 ? ENGLISH EEEEMA SONET IN 1732 . "In 1732 the Rev . Martin Clare , A . M ., was instructed by the Grand Lodge to prepare a system of lectures which should be adapted to the existing state of the Order , without infringing on the ancient landmarks . This commissionof courseresulted in

, , an amplification of the Andersonian system , and contained many improvements Avhich were so much liked that the practice of them Avas enjoined on all the lodges . Without , however , denuding them of all Christian allusions , many such were modified , and the Jewish brethren ' s peculiarities of faitli Avere taken

into account . Still they remained essentially Christian , recognising the Trinity , the institution of our Sunday , and the ecclesiastical symbolism attached to the numbers three , five , and seven . " —See Freemasons ' Magazine , vol . ix ., p . 34 . The foregoing is the passage respecting Avhich Bro . " N . P . E , " makes inquiry . — C . P . COOPEB .

SALONIKA . The first lodge founded in Salonika appears to have been one recorded by us , St . Jean d'Ecosse de l'Amitie , under warrant from the Grand Mother Scotch Lodge of Marseilles , dated 1801 ! This must have been long since defunct ; there is now an Italian

lodge , with an English W . M . BE 0 . HUeHAN . "All Masonry requires of its candidates is , that they must be of some religion or other , and must take some kind of O . B ., whatever that may be ,

and on what . "—See Bro . Hughan ' s commucication , " Bro . A . 0 . Have and Bro . H . B . White , " page 2 SS of the present volume . A correspondent , who Avrites from a college at Oxford , thinks this a very singular proposition , and in terms of great respect for Bro . Hughan , ventures to ask for some explanation of it . - —¦ C P . COOPBE .

SltXENA . Smyrna is known to be an ancient seat of Masonry , as will be found in the Freemasons' Magazine . Above 100 years ago a lodge was founded by au English traveller . In 1771 ( as we record elsewhere ) a lodge was founded under the name of St . Jean d'Ecosse des

Nations Reunies , reputed to be existent in 1 S 01 ; but this is doubtful . It is possible that this lodge was the French lodge working some years before the Greek troubles in 1826 , and of which its surviving members do not even recollect the name . In this lodge Lord Howden was initiated .

HOEDO AND MELEOSE . Above a door there used to be a compass with this inscription : — "So gayes the compass ev'n about , So truth and laute do but doubt , Behald to the end . —JOHN MUBDO . "

—ANTHONY ONEAL HATE . THE LATE HONSIEUE PEHDHON . My answer to the observation of - 'E . L . M . " is that 1 could have prayed God that a change might be wrought in the head and heart of Monsieur Prudhon , but , until such change had taken place , I could not have called him "brother . "—C P . COOPEB .

ST . JOHN AND AECH JIASONEY . Bro . Hughan , in his "Analysis , " says : "I cannot see , though , how a Master Mason , under the Grand Lodges of England and Scotland , can be complete Avithout taking the Royal Arch in this epoch of the Craft . " I think Bro . Lauriein his history , signally

, disposes of this Avhen he says : "Its ( theRoyal Arch ' s ) object is to supplement the third degree of St . John ' s Masonry ; bat this is entirely unnecessary , as it is known to every intelligent Master Mason that this Order is complete in itself , and that which Avas lost can only be found beyond the veil of time , towards

which the eye of the aspirant is directed . Moreover , it has never been recognised by that Order , but , on the contrary , carefully prevented from being in any Avay attached to it . " And this opinion is the opinion of every aged Mason Avith Avhom I have conversed . The late Bro . Cay , Sheriff of Linlithgow , a Ereeuiason of more than half a century , in a conversation

which I had Avifch him relative to the high degrees , said : " One can easily understand how in Masonry an universal brotherhood could exist , even with the third degree , for death is the end of every religious teaching ; but when you make Preemasonry sectarian by bringing in the Rose Croix , then it ceases to serve that purpose . Iand many others of my timewho

, , have considered the matter , think every degree above the third not only inimicable to pure Masonry , but a mass of falsehood and absurdity , which Avould disgrace even the imagination of a Yahoo . " Scotland rejects the Royal Arch from her Masonry , andif she was to admit itas a consequence she

, , Avould admit all the rest . A nice Grand Lodge it would be with the thirty-three degrees of the A . and A . Rite , or the ninety of Misraim ! Wine , and water are very good ; but , for my part , I like the wine in a different glass from the Avater . —ANTHONY ONEAL TTWE .

ROBERT BRUCE . The ancient Grand Lodge of Kilwinning- is said to havo been governed by Robert Bruce as Grand Master . —( Prom one of Bro- Purton Cooper's note-books . ) THE SCOTS GREYS . Our learned and esteemed Bro . Murray Lyon , in his

interesting account of a lodge formerly held in the Scots Greys , or 2 nd North British Dragoons , mentions that the regiment Avas formerly commanded by Colonel Napier , a distinguished brother of tho " mystic tie , " and I am sure he , as well as other readers of the Magazine , will be glad to learn that the corps is fit present commanded by a gallant officer who is also a Freemason , viz-, Colonel George Culvert Clarke , si brother of the Grand Secretary of England , Bro . William Gray Clarke . —MILES .

HEREDITARY GRAND MASTERS . Ill Scotland the Barons of Roslin Avere hereditary Grand Masters . —( Erom Bro . Purton Cooper ' s memorandum , book , No . 3 . ) MOTHER KILAVINXIXG AS A GllAXD LODGE . Bro . Murray Lyon ' s "Mother Kilwinning" communications to our periodical contain all the information upon this subject that a Devonshire correspondent desires . — C . P . COOPER .

TIHSHE is a refinement which even wit and knowledge of the world cannot teach their votaries , who often wound tho heart without violating perfect politeness .

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