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seen a letter in The Guardian from a Chaplain to a Masonic Lodge , that to which I presume you have referred . The incumbent of Rhyl is a Freemason , and he , I suppose , invited the Masons to attend . „ I am , yours faithfully , " TOWNSHEND . MAINWARING .

"It strikes me that you should send THE EREEMASONS MAGAZINE to the Bishop , which contains my letter ancl the Knt's . reply . " T . "W . Cooper , Esq ., Wolverhampton . " Upon the receipt of the above , I wrote to Bro . Cooper , giving him certain reasons why he should not address the

Bishop of Salisbury , and asking him to furnish me with a copy of his letter to Mr . Mainwaring and also to communicate to that gentleman that he had sent me his letter and that it was my intention , with your leave , to rjublish it in THE EREEMASONS MAGAZINE . Unfortunately he did not retain a copy nor did Mr . Mainwaring return his note , so Bro . Cooper sent meas nearly as he could recollectits

pur-, , port , thus : — " Wolverhampton , June , 1861 . "SIR , —I have read your 'Appeal to the Ereemasons of England ancl Wales ' in The Guardian , and if you havo not read Mr . Matthew Cooke's reply to it in the columns of THE EREEMASONS MAGAZINE of the 15 th of June , I would urge you to do so .

"As a Freemason , I am , with many others , anxious to know what your rejoinder is . My own opinion , if I may be allowed to express it , is that you have made a great mistake , and your misrepresentations require some adjustment . " I am , Sir , yours truly , "T . W . COOPER . " Townshend Mainwaring , Esq ., M . P . "

The second letter from Mr . Mainwaring to Bro . Cooper follows next : — " Gallifanan , Rhyl , July 9 th . " SIR , —A death in my family , which occured a day or two before I received your letter of the 4 th inst ., has prevented my replying to' it at an earlier period . I cannot lay my hand at present on your letter , but I do not think it would

throw much light upon the question at issue . If you have not written to the Bishop , I would advise you to read another bishop ' s opinion upon Preemasonry , which you will find in the life of Bishop Armstrong , before you write to the Bishop of Salisbury . I am quite prepared to write to the Bishop of Salisbury when I see his reply to your letter , but I hope I shall not have occasion to do so , as such correspondence does not generally tend to edification . " I am , yours faithfully ,

" TOWNSHEND MAINWARING . " T . W . Cooper , Esq . Wolverhampton . " Mr . Mainwaring seems to have misunderstood Bro . Cooper , and supposed that I had replied to his letter in The Guardian . This is evidently a mistake . The letter that did appear in that paper of June 26 th is subjoined , but who tho writer was I am entirely ignorant .

"REPLY TO MR . MAINWARING ' S APPEAL . " SIR , —As chaplain to a Masonic lodge , I trust you will allow me to say , in reply to Mr . Mainwaring ' s appeal , which appeared in The Guardian the week before last , that Preemasonry is not to be blamed , so far as I can see , for anything which took place at Rhyl , as described in Mi-. M . ' s letter . "The questions arise— the Freemasons of Rhl in

were y - vited to attend the foundation-laying of the church , ' or not ? Was the Provincial Grand Master desired to lay the stone , or not ? If these questions be answered in tho " affirmative , where , then , was the blame ? Certainly not in the Freemasons . "I myself should strongly maintain , though a Mason , that the foundation-stone of a Christian church should be laid

in the name tho Holy Trinity , and should not say that I had a prejudice in favour of it . Mr . M . states that he "may have a prejudice in favour of the church , " as compared with the society of Freemasons . For my own part , I dare not venture to compare the two ; the one being a Divine

institution for man ' s salvation , the other a human society which seeks to promote morality and other useful ends . I do not see any antagonism between them , neither am I aware that Freemasonry , as such , contemplates any . "A FREEMASON . "JimelOth , 1 S 6 I . " The first fallacy in Mr . Mainwaring ' s letter is the

assumption that because the Bishop of Salisbury is a brother Mason he is to subscribe to a certain formula set forth by Mr . Mainwaring for the purpose of quieting Mr . M . 's conscience as to the form of invocation used , and to which he objects . Mr . Mainwaring shows himself " cunning of fence " in this suggestion . He does not say to Bro . Cooper " I will put myself in communication with the bishop" but"if tho

, , Bishop of Salisbury will write to you and say , " - —that which Bro . Cooper has no right to ask his lordship for any more than Mr . Mainwaring . The words used , "in the name of the Grand Geometrician of the Universe" are neither improper or irreverent . The Almighty is the Great Architect , as well as the Grand Geometrician of this world . He is its designer , creator

aud maker , and in each of these characters has frequently been addressed by Saints and Holy men of old . The style is reverent , inasmuch as to no other person is the invocation offered . But to any one inclined to cavil at an old-fashioned form , it may be necessary to add that its quaintness does not stamp it as improper , or if so , what becomes of the prayers in the ancient Gallican liturgy which commence

" Bon Sire Dieu ! " —In the early fathers , in collections of hours , in glosses , in paraphrases , of writers both of the Eastern and Western churches , the Deity is frequently addresed as "God of the World , "— "Pramer ; of this earth , " —Maker of all things , " and under a variety of forms of the ineffable name . The Jews with their caballa include twelve varieties .. The Mahomedans have a science called " Ism Allah . " The

Hindoo uses a mystical word which he learns , but never speaks . The Druids used a sacredfigure , and in the Litany of the Romish Church we find him apostrophised as " The-Rose of Sharon , " & c . ¦ See also in A Hymnal for use in the English Church , published by Mozley , Masters , & c , 1855 , the following forms ot Invocation used : —

" Lord of eternal truth and might , Ruler of nature ' s changing scheme !" so also a translation of " Creator alme siderum " " 0 blest creator of the light I " and another rendering " Creator of the starry height , Th le liht

y peop ' s everlasting g . " or again , where God is addressed as "Health of the world" ( Advent Hymn So . 10 . ) . and in the " Septuageshna Hymns" the first commences "Maker of earth , to thee alone Perpetual rest belongs . "

All precedents both Jewish , Gentile , and Christian , are against Mr . Mainwaring ' s objection , the Almighty having been addressed in terms as numerous as the sands of thesea , and according to the fervour of imagination , antiquity , or custom , which his worshippers have selected . Whilst Mr . Mainwaring "hopes he is a plain-dealing honest man , and though he still ventures to think , for christian men

in a christian country , the services appointed for the layingthe foundation of churches oughttobe considered sufficient by Freemasons , " & c , he has proved himself to be anything but a plain-dealer . —AVhere are the " services appointed" to be found ? Can he show any such form in the Prayer Book P Do the _ Canons ancl Constitutions of the Church of England recognise any such forms ? Who drew them up ? Are they

to be obtained , for the Diocese of St . Asaph , at Queen Anne ' s bounty office ? Mr . Mainwaring must know that there are no such services having any authority . There are two or three forms , used in as many dioceses set forth by their respective bishops , and to be had of Mr . Hodgson , but there is none for the diocese of St . Asaph , ancl none of authority for the Church of England . Fie on such " plain dealing . " But does Mr . Mainwaring recollect that Dr . Short , the Bishop of St . Asaph , was present at Rhyl , and that he

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MEMOIRS OF THE FREEMASONS OF NAPLES. Article 1
ARCHITECTURE AND ARCHÆOLOGY. Article 2
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 4
NOTES ON LITERATURE, SCIENCE, AND ART. Article 5
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 7
POETRY. Article 9
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 10
THE BOYS' SCHOOL. Article 10
METROPOLITAN. Article 11
PROVINCIAL. Article 11
ROYAL ARCH. Article 16
ANCIENT AND ACCEPTED RITE. Article 16
SCOTLAND. Article 17
TURKEY. Article 17
WESTERN INDIA. Article 17
AUSTRALIA. Article 18
THE WEEK. Article 18
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Correspondence.

seen a letter in The Guardian from a Chaplain to a Masonic Lodge , that to which I presume you have referred . The incumbent of Rhyl is a Freemason , and he , I suppose , invited the Masons to attend . „ I am , yours faithfully , " TOWNSHEND . MAINWARING .

"It strikes me that you should send THE EREEMASONS MAGAZINE to the Bishop , which contains my letter ancl the Knt's . reply . " T . "W . Cooper , Esq ., Wolverhampton . " Upon the receipt of the above , I wrote to Bro . Cooper , giving him certain reasons why he should not address the

Bishop of Salisbury , and asking him to furnish me with a copy of his letter to Mr . Mainwaring and also to communicate to that gentleman that he had sent me his letter and that it was my intention , with your leave , to rjublish it in THE EREEMASONS MAGAZINE . Unfortunately he did not retain a copy nor did Mr . Mainwaring return his note , so Bro . Cooper sent meas nearly as he could recollectits

pur-, , port , thus : — " Wolverhampton , June , 1861 . "SIR , —I have read your 'Appeal to the Ereemasons of England ancl Wales ' in The Guardian , and if you havo not read Mr . Matthew Cooke's reply to it in the columns of THE EREEMASONS MAGAZINE of the 15 th of June , I would urge you to do so .

"As a Freemason , I am , with many others , anxious to know what your rejoinder is . My own opinion , if I may be allowed to express it , is that you have made a great mistake , and your misrepresentations require some adjustment . " I am , Sir , yours truly , "T . W . COOPER . " Townshend Mainwaring , Esq ., M . P . "

The second letter from Mr . Mainwaring to Bro . Cooper follows next : — " Gallifanan , Rhyl , July 9 th . " SIR , —A death in my family , which occured a day or two before I received your letter of the 4 th inst ., has prevented my replying to' it at an earlier period . I cannot lay my hand at present on your letter , but I do not think it would

throw much light upon the question at issue . If you have not written to the Bishop , I would advise you to read another bishop ' s opinion upon Preemasonry , which you will find in the life of Bishop Armstrong , before you write to the Bishop of Salisbury . I am quite prepared to write to the Bishop of Salisbury when I see his reply to your letter , but I hope I shall not have occasion to do so , as such correspondence does not generally tend to edification . " I am , yours faithfully ,

" TOWNSHEND MAINWARING . " T . W . Cooper , Esq . Wolverhampton . " Mr . Mainwaring seems to have misunderstood Bro . Cooper , and supposed that I had replied to his letter in The Guardian . This is evidently a mistake . The letter that did appear in that paper of June 26 th is subjoined , but who tho writer was I am entirely ignorant .

"REPLY TO MR . MAINWARING ' S APPEAL . " SIR , —As chaplain to a Masonic lodge , I trust you will allow me to say , in reply to Mr . Mainwaring ' s appeal , which appeared in The Guardian the week before last , that Preemasonry is not to be blamed , so far as I can see , for anything which took place at Rhyl , as described in Mi-. M . ' s letter . "The questions arise— the Freemasons of Rhl in

were y - vited to attend the foundation-laying of the church , ' or not ? Was the Provincial Grand Master desired to lay the stone , or not ? If these questions be answered in tho " affirmative , where , then , was the blame ? Certainly not in the Freemasons . "I myself should strongly maintain , though a Mason , that the foundation-stone of a Christian church should be laid

in the name tho Holy Trinity , and should not say that I had a prejudice in favour of it . Mr . M . states that he "may have a prejudice in favour of the church , " as compared with the society of Freemasons . For my own part , I dare not venture to compare the two ; the one being a Divine

institution for man ' s salvation , the other a human society which seeks to promote morality and other useful ends . I do not see any antagonism between them , neither am I aware that Freemasonry , as such , contemplates any . "A FREEMASON . "JimelOth , 1 S 6 I . " The first fallacy in Mr . Mainwaring ' s letter is the

assumption that because the Bishop of Salisbury is a brother Mason he is to subscribe to a certain formula set forth by Mr . Mainwaring for the purpose of quieting Mr . M . 's conscience as to the form of invocation used , and to which he objects . Mr . Mainwaring shows himself " cunning of fence " in this suggestion . He does not say to Bro . Cooper " I will put myself in communication with the bishop" but"if tho

, , Bishop of Salisbury will write to you and say , " - —that which Bro . Cooper has no right to ask his lordship for any more than Mr . Mainwaring . The words used , "in the name of the Grand Geometrician of the Universe" are neither improper or irreverent . The Almighty is the Great Architect , as well as the Grand Geometrician of this world . He is its designer , creator

aud maker , and in each of these characters has frequently been addressed by Saints and Holy men of old . The style is reverent , inasmuch as to no other person is the invocation offered . But to any one inclined to cavil at an old-fashioned form , it may be necessary to add that its quaintness does not stamp it as improper , or if so , what becomes of the prayers in the ancient Gallican liturgy which commence

" Bon Sire Dieu ! " —In the early fathers , in collections of hours , in glosses , in paraphrases , of writers both of the Eastern and Western churches , the Deity is frequently addresed as "God of the World , "— "Pramer ; of this earth , " —Maker of all things , " and under a variety of forms of the ineffable name . The Jews with their caballa include twelve varieties .. The Mahomedans have a science called " Ism Allah . " The

Hindoo uses a mystical word which he learns , but never speaks . The Druids used a sacredfigure , and in the Litany of the Romish Church we find him apostrophised as " The-Rose of Sharon , " & c . ¦ See also in A Hymnal for use in the English Church , published by Mozley , Masters , & c , 1855 , the following forms ot Invocation used : —

" Lord of eternal truth and might , Ruler of nature ' s changing scheme !" so also a translation of " Creator alme siderum " " 0 blest creator of the light I " and another rendering " Creator of the starry height , Th le liht

y peop ' s everlasting g . " or again , where God is addressed as "Health of the world" ( Advent Hymn So . 10 . ) . and in the " Septuageshna Hymns" the first commences "Maker of earth , to thee alone Perpetual rest belongs . "

All precedents both Jewish , Gentile , and Christian , are against Mr . Mainwaring ' s objection , the Almighty having been addressed in terms as numerous as the sands of thesea , and according to the fervour of imagination , antiquity , or custom , which his worshippers have selected . Whilst Mr . Mainwaring "hopes he is a plain-dealing honest man , and though he still ventures to think , for christian men

in a christian country , the services appointed for the layingthe foundation of churches oughttobe considered sufficient by Freemasons , " & c , he has proved himself to be anything but a plain-dealer . —AVhere are the " services appointed" to be found ? Can he show any such form in the Prayer Book P Do the _ Canons ancl Constitutions of the Church of England recognise any such forms ? Who drew them up ? Are they

to be obtained , for the Diocese of St . Asaph , at Queen Anne ' s bounty office ? Mr . Mainwaring must know that there are no such services having any authority . There are two or three forms , used in as many dioceses set forth by their respective bishops , and to be had of Mr . Hodgson , but there is none for the diocese of St . Asaph , ancl none of authority for the Church of England . Fie on such " plain dealing . " But does Mr . Mainwaring recollect that Dr . Short , the Bishop of St . Asaph , was present at Rhyl , and that he

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