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The Grand Lodge Property.

ticable ) a small private room attached to each , hut this small private room is not to be a passage room leading to the lodge room . Kobing room for the Grand Master , 23 x 16 , with washing and water closet , belonging thereto . Kobing room for Grand Officers , 30 x 20 . Two or three small rooms to be used as committee rooms if the space allows .

Grand T yler ' s apartments ( which may be in the basement ) consisting of live rooms . Principal staircase leading to the different rooms . Back staircase . ¦ AA ' ater closets , lavatories , urinals , & c . A suitable approach to be made to the present great hall ( and gallery in the hall ) wliich will be used for Masonic purposes only , and although the whole of this part of the ground is to be

appropriated to Freemasonry , and separated from the tavern , yet good internal access is to be contrived from this portion of the building . The basement to be used for Grand Tyler ' s rooms , servant's apartments , and for rooms to receive the furniture belonging to lodges , & c . Arrangements must also be contrived for the future formation of a kitchen , private cellars and domestic offices under this part of the building , should it be found desirable hereafter to provide them . The throe-pair floors to be used for bedrooms , of which four or five will be required .

Yv ith the requirements for Masonic purposes we have nothing to complain of , excepting that we think that , in addition to the Lodge llooms , there should be at least two Chapter Eooms , separate and distinct ; and Ave must also be allowed to express our regret that the Knight Templar , and other degrees restricted

to Masons , have , by the treatment they have received from the Grand Secretary , been driven from our property to build a rival hall , with other appurtenances , which cannot fail hereafter to prove injurious to the property of the Craft . As regards the dimensions of

the rooms given , we are assured they cannot be adhered to in the space in which the architects have to work ; but that is a professional question , which we do not at present propose to discuss . As respects the Tavern and its requirements , the Committee say : —

The present tavern , together with the portion eastward of the tavern ( now used as offices and on which the temple now stands ) , in all about 85 feet iu length , with the exception of the facade and such rooms as may be appropriated in the front to Masonic purposes , is to be occupied by additions and alterations to the tavern , and to be separated from the Masonic portion , agreeably to the requirements in the following list : — Entrance hall and staircase .

Xew banqueting hall capable of dining 450 to 500 persons , with gallery for 150 spectators . 1 Dining-room for 130 persons . 1 Ditto 100 ditto . 2 * Ditto 50 ditto each . 2 Ditto 20 ditto each . There would he no objection to the rooms known as the Sussexthe Glee-roomthe Dining-roomand the Cambridge

, , , , being retained as dining-rooms in the future Tavern , or to the present Clarence with the passage to the east of it , being used as a Coffee-room hereafter , which Coffee-room is intended for the exclusive use of Freemasons . If space permits it , the addition of two or three smaller rooms will be an advantage . Each of the above dining-rooms to have an appropriate

anteroom , and the great Banqueting-room to have an appropriate vestibule . Urinals , water closets , lavatories , lifts , & c , & c . The three-pair floor and attics , if necessary , to be converted into bed-rooms for tenant or Manager , and servants .

The Grand Lodge Property.

Tlie basement to have the usual domestic offices suitable to the requirements of a large tavern , due regard being paid ( . „ the separation of the male and female servants' apartments and the plans must embrace a large servants' hall , and siiflj ! ciency of dressing-rooms for the waiters .

The requirements for the Tavern are no doubt , on the whole , judicious ; but we would suggest that what the Tavern required was not so much a larger hall as a second hall—certainly larger than th present—so that two large parties might be accom . modated at once , and we do not see any peculiar

reason for keeping the present hall wholly for Masonry , if it can be made available alike for general and Masonic purposes without detriment ; and again we believe that a better hall may be obtained to the west than to the east of the present , leaving ns

ample space to secure good accommodation for all Masonic requirements . »¦ "We have heard it stated , and indeed we have received communications to the effect that the layino down the dimensions of rooms , & c , would seem to

point out that the Committee liave a plan in the hackground , which will be brought fonvard against competing architects when their plans are received—and moreover , that the plan has been prepared by Bro . Daukes . "We are sure that the Committee are too

high-minded and too good Masons to lend themselves to such a scheme , and that had it been proposed to Bro . Daukes , he would not only have spurned it at once , as an insult to his social and professional standing , but would have felt himself compelled to tender the resignation of his office to the Most Worshipful

Grand Master . It is most painful to think that Freemasons , who pride themselves npon their charity , appeal to be unable to enter upon the discussion of anj measure affecting the welfare of the Craft without attributing motives to those who disagree with them , which in their capacity as citizens of the world thej would be ashamed to entertain .

Masonic Notes And Queries.

MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES .

SIR JOHN MOORE . In reference to the query in last Saturday ' s M AGAZD % "Where was Sir John Moore made a Mason ? " Iff ® you a copy of minute taken from the minute book of the Eenfrew County Kilwinning Lodge . " At the Saracen s Head Inn , 30 th BTovember , 1798 , in presence of Bro-James Dunlop , E . W . M ., and a respectable meeting »

the brethren , John Moore , of the 15 th Eeg imeuk , w < j initiated into the secret mysteries of Masonry , autl <* mitted a member of this lodge , and paid the re ^ dues . " He was then a Lieutenant in the 15 th . T ^ lodge never held of the Grand Lodge of Scotland ! originally it was named the " Paisley Kilwinning / ' " , ou account of its being composed of the noblemen a »

gentlemen connected with the county , they , in " * % applied for and received a new charter from Mother JO winning , under the title of the " Eenfrew County ^ j winning , " bearing No . 11 on her roll . William , *" of Dundonald , appears to have been initiated in tn

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THE GRAND LODGE PROPERTY. Article 1
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 2
METROPOLITAN DISFIGUREMENTS. Article 5
SENSATION INCIDENT IN FREEMASONRY. Article 6
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 7
ANTIQUITY OF MASONIC DEGREES. Article 8
THE BOY'S SCHOOL. Article 9
THE BOYS' SCHOOL. Article 9
FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE COMPANY. Article 10
TEE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 11
METROPOLITAN. Article 11
PROVINCIAL. Article 11
IRELAND. Article 13
ROYAL ARCH. Article 14
MASONIC FESTIVITIES. Article 15
NOTES ON MUSIC AND THE DRAMA. Article 16
POLYGRAPHIC HALL. Article 16
THE WEEK. Article 16
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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The Grand Lodge Property.

ticable ) a small private room attached to each , hut this small private room is not to be a passage room leading to the lodge room . Kobing room for the Grand Master , 23 x 16 , with washing and water closet , belonging thereto . Kobing room for Grand Officers , 30 x 20 . Two or three small rooms to be used as committee rooms if the space allows .

Grand T yler ' s apartments ( which may be in the basement ) consisting of live rooms . Principal staircase leading to the different rooms . Back staircase . ¦ AA ' ater closets , lavatories , urinals , & c . A suitable approach to be made to the present great hall ( and gallery in the hall ) wliich will be used for Masonic purposes only , and although the whole of this part of the ground is to be

appropriated to Freemasonry , and separated from the tavern , yet good internal access is to be contrived from this portion of the building . The basement to be used for Grand Tyler ' s rooms , servant's apartments , and for rooms to receive the furniture belonging to lodges , & c . Arrangements must also be contrived for the future formation of a kitchen , private cellars and domestic offices under this part of the building , should it be found desirable hereafter to provide them . The throe-pair floors to be used for bedrooms , of which four or five will be required .

Yv ith the requirements for Masonic purposes we have nothing to complain of , excepting that we think that , in addition to the Lodge llooms , there should be at least two Chapter Eooms , separate and distinct ; and Ave must also be allowed to express our regret that the Knight Templar , and other degrees restricted

to Masons , have , by the treatment they have received from the Grand Secretary , been driven from our property to build a rival hall , with other appurtenances , which cannot fail hereafter to prove injurious to the property of the Craft . As regards the dimensions of

the rooms given , we are assured they cannot be adhered to in the space in which the architects have to work ; but that is a professional question , which we do not at present propose to discuss . As respects the Tavern and its requirements , the Committee say : —

The present tavern , together with the portion eastward of the tavern ( now used as offices and on which the temple now stands ) , in all about 85 feet iu length , with the exception of the facade and such rooms as may be appropriated in the front to Masonic purposes , is to be occupied by additions and alterations to the tavern , and to be separated from the Masonic portion , agreeably to the requirements in the following list : — Entrance hall and staircase .

Xew banqueting hall capable of dining 450 to 500 persons , with gallery for 150 spectators . 1 Dining-room for 130 persons . 1 Ditto 100 ditto . 2 * Ditto 50 ditto each . 2 Ditto 20 ditto each . There would he no objection to the rooms known as the Sussexthe Glee-roomthe Dining-roomand the Cambridge

, , , , being retained as dining-rooms in the future Tavern , or to the present Clarence with the passage to the east of it , being used as a Coffee-room hereafter , which Coffee-room is intended for the exclusive use of Freemasons . If space permits it , the addition of two or three smaller rooms will be an advantage . Each of the above dining-rooms to have an appropriate

anteroom , and the great Banqueting-room to have an appropriate vestibule . Urinals , water closets , lavatories , lifts , & c , & c . The three-pair floor and attics , if necessary , to be converted into bed-rooms for tenant or Manager , and servants .

The Grand Lodge Property.

Tlie basement to have the usual domestic offices suitable to the requirements of a large tavern , due regard being paid ( . „ the separation of the male and female servants' apartments and the plans must embrace a large servants' hall , and siiflj ! ciency of dressing-rooms for the waiters .

The requirements for the Tavern are no doubt , on the whole , judicious ; but we would suggest that what the Tavern required was not so much a larger hall as a second hall—certainly larger than th present—so that two large parties might be accom . modated at once , and we do not see any peculiar

reason for keeping the present hall wholly for Masonry , if it can be made available alike for general and Masonic purposes without detriment ; and again we believe that a better hall may be obtained to the west than to the east of the present , leaving ns

ample space to secure good accommodation for all Masonic requirements . »¦ "We have heard it stated , and indeed we have received communications to the effect that the layino down the dimensions of rooms , & c , would seem to

point out that the Committee liave a plan in the hackground , which will be brought fonvard against competing architects when their plans are received—and moreover , that the plan has been prepared by Bro . Daukes . "We are sure that the Committee are too

high-minded and too good Masons to lend themselves to such a scheme , and that had it been proposed to Bro . Daukes , he would not only have spurned it at once , as an insult to his social and professional standing , but would have felt himself compelled to tender the resignation of his office to the Most Worshipful

Grand Master . It is most painful to think that Freemasons , who pride themselves npon their charity , appeal to be unable to enter upon the discussion of anj measure affecting the welfare of the Craft without attributing motives to those who disagree with them , which in their capacity as citizens of the world thej would be ashamed to entertain .

Masonic Notes And Queries.

MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES .

SIR JOHN MOORE . In reference to the query in last Saturday ' s M AGAZD % "Where was Sir John Moore made a Mason ? " Iff ® you a copy of minute taken from the minute book of the Eenfrew County Kilwinning Lodge . " At the Saracen s Head Inn , 30 th BTovember , 1798 , in presence of Bro-James Dunlop , E . W . M ., and a respectable meeting »

the brethren , John Moore , of the 15 th Eeg imeuk , w < j initiated into the secret mysteries of Masonry , autl <* mitted a member of this lodge , and paid the re ^ dues . " He was then a Lieutenant in the 15 th . T ^ lodge never held of the Grand Lodge of Scotland ! originally it was named the " Paisley Kilwinning / ' " , ou account of its being composed of the noblemen a »

gentlemen connected with the county , they , in " * % applied for and received a new charter from Mother JO winning , under the title of the " Eenfrew County ^ j winning , " bearing No . 11 on her roll . William , *" of Dundonald , appears to have been initiated in tn

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