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has not revolted against it , and I hope it will never be adopted in England . I confess myself wholly unable to understand what " A New Member " means in writing of the Prince as " shunted out of the way . " The whole Craft welcomed H . R . H . when he joined the Order , and however we may differ as to the particular title which the Prince is to receive , new members ancl old members alike will be glad to know that he is " one of us . "—J . A . II .

H . R . H . THE PBINCE OP WALES— " J . A . II . " AND " NEW MASON . ' ' With all deference to authorities , I cannot for the life of me see how Bro . J . A . II . ( a much respected correspondent of the ' Freemasons' Magazine ancl a sort of international Freemason ) can be considered in

error anent the contemplated distinction of Past Grand Master being conferred on H . R . H . the Prince of Wales . What is there new or strange about the fact ? Have we no precedents for such a course ? Is our learned and revered Grand Master about to commit an innovation ? If notwhsuch a question

, y about his Lordship ' s intended honour to the " Heir of the Crown of England ? " We have only to consult the records of the past to find that H . R . H . the Duke of Gloucester and

H . R . H . the Luke of Cumberland were both complimented by receiving the rank ' of Past Grand Masters and presented with aprons under the Grand Mastership of Lord Blaney , and , what is more to the point , H . R . H . the Duke of York had the same compliment paid him , although he was initiated abroad . Later , in the 18 th when the Duke of Cumber

century , H . R . H . - land was Grand Master , A . D . 1790 , Edward , Duke of Kent , initiated at Geneva , and H . R . H . Duke ot Sussex , initiated at Berlin , were permitted to rank as Past Grand Masters . —W . , T . HUGHAN .

MASONEX BATHEE OLDEE THAN 150 YEAES . In last number the Act of Parliament , 3 , Henry 6 , cap . 1 , Anno Don . 1425 , was quoted , which Act makes it felony to assemble chapters and congregations of Masons . The Act de facto has never been repealedbut in the 2 nd part of Coke ' s Institutes

, , page 99 , it explains in what manner the Act becomes of non-effect . " It is ordained and established that no congregations and confederacies shall be made by Masons in their general chapters and assemblies , whereby the good course and effects of the Statutes of Labourers

are violated and broken , in subversion of law : and if any be , they that cause such chapters and congregations to be assembled and holden shall be adjudged felons .

" The cause wherefore this offence was made felony , is , for that the good course and effect of the Statutes of Labourers were thereby violated and broken . Now all the statutes concerning labourers before this Aet , and whereunto this Act doth refer , are repealed by the Statute of 5 Eliz . cap . 4 , whereby the cause and end of the making of this Act is taken and

away , consequentl y this Act is become of no force or effect : for ^ cessatile 'rational legis , eestas ipsa lex . And the indictment upon this Statute must contain that those chapters and congregations were to the violating and breaking of the good course and effect of those Statutes iof Labourers , which now cannot be alledged ,

because those statutes be repealed . Therefore , this would be put out of the charge of Justices of the Peace . " There is no mention in 3 rd Henry 6 , cap . 1 , of benefit of clergy , and the writer of the Constitutions of Freemasons says that the Act ' ¦' affected only the worlcing masons " —that isthe operativesnot the

, , speculative or higher orders . Whether operative or working masons were entitled to the benefit of clergy is deserving consideration . The learned or theoretical Masons were , of course , all clerical . The writer of the Constitutions says that the Chief Justice Coke was a Freemasonhe died in 163-1 but his 2 nd part

, , of Institutes bears date 1642 , the very year the prayerbook was printed in which K Char the martyr is mentioned , and which 1642 Bro . Melville asserts to be a Masonic point . —SAXELP . T .

JOINING BRETHREN AND INITIATIONS . Tour esteemed correspondent , Bro . H . H ., may rest assured that Bro . ijt B > g < is quite correct in stating "that no person can be initiated , neither can any joining member be admitted on the same day that a new lodge is ; opened and consecrated . " Although it

is not so stated in the "Book of Constitutions , " that is the custom or rule now under the Grand Lodge of England ; but some little time since Bro . H . H . was quite in order by acting otherwise . The fact is , however , that this new arrangement has been made in consequence of the irregularities of unconsecrated

lodges , and the delay often found to occur bstween the time the dispensation for temporary work was granted and the day of the consecration . , In our own experience , we have known more than a year to have passed before the consecration of a lodge , and actually a new Master to have been elected and installed , in

consequence of which when the warrant was read on the formal day of constituting the lodge , and the names of the officers were read over , the W . M . nominate was a P . M ., and the J . W . was actually the W . M . From what I have heard , my experience has been that of many , and therefore the present rule is a most judicious one , and will be found to be in the main very beneficial , in the provinces especially . — W . J . HUGHAN ( PBOV . G . SEC , CORNWALL ) .

MASONIC DISCIPLINE . Crux does good in ventilating some questions and inducing brethren to think about them ; but , as he disregards the history and practices of the Craft at home and abroad , and evolves his conclusions from his own imagination or observationthere are too

, many of his conclusions which cannot be accepted . The answer as to assistant officers , which he impugnes is ancient and correct , according to the basis on which it is framed , aud it is the attempt to set things right which deprives us of many aucient relics without giving us anything really better .

Having got a Pythagorean trinity in the three superiors , another trinity was sought for in the three inferiors , and the more readily fouvJ , f , s the fourth of the inferiors was in the outer regions , without the door of the lodge room , but within the precincts of the outer enclosure . His position and functions are very - well maintained in foreign lodges . The strained attempt to get a number 3 is abundantly illustrated in the lectures . It may be that ,

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THE INAUGURATION FESTIVAL JEWEL. Article 1
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FREEMASONRY ABOUT ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY-TWO TEARS OLD. Article 6
BIBLES, &c., AND DECAPITATION OF BRO. MELVILLE (p. 129.) Article 8
REVISION OF THE RITUALS. Article 9
NEW LODGES AND NEW MEMBERS. Article 9
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LAYING THE FOUNDATION STONE OF THE SHERIFF COURT-HOUSE AND NEW HALL AT FORFAR. Article 14
MASONIC PRESENTATION AT THE WORCESTER CATHEDRAL. Article 16
LAYING THE CORNER STONE OF THE MASONIC HALL, CARLETON, NEW BRUNSWICK. Article 17
LITERATURE, SCIENCE, MUSIC, DRAMA, AND THE FINE ARTS. Article 19
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LIST OF LODGE, &c., MEETINGS FOR WEEK ENDING 28TH AUGUST, 1869. Article 20
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has not revolted against it , and I hope it will never be adopted in England . I confess myself wholly unable to understand what " A New Member " means in writing of the Prince as " shunted out of the way . " The whole Craft welcomed H . R . H . when he joined the Order , and however we may differ as to the particular title which the Prince is to receive , new members ancl old members alike will be glad to know that he is " one of us . "—J . A . II .

H . R . H . THE PBINCE OP WALES— " J . A . II . " AND " NEW MASON . ' ' With all deference to authorities , I cannot for the life of me see how Bro . J . A . II . ( a much respected correspondent of the ' Freemasons' Magazine ancl a sort of international Freemason ) can be considered in

error anent the contemplated distinction of Past Grand Master being conferred on H . R . H . the Prince of Wales . What is there new or strange about the fact ? Have we no precedents for such a course ? Is our learned and revered Grand Master about to commit an innovation ? If notwhsuch a question

, y about his Lordship ' s intended honour to the " Heir of the Crown of England ? " We have only to consult the records of the past to find that H . R . H . the Duke of Gloucester and

H . R . H . the Luke of Cumberland were both complimented by receiving the rank ' of Past Grand Masters and presented with aprons under the Grand Mastership of Lord Blaney , and , what is more to the point , H . R . H . the Duke of York had the same compliment paid him , although he was initiated abroad . Later , in the 18 th when the Duke of Cumber

century , H . R . H . - land was Grand Master , A . D . 1790 , Edward , Duke of Kent , initiated at Geneva , and H . R . H . Duke ot Sussex , initiated at Berlin , were permitted to rank as Past Grand Masters . —W . , T . HUGHAN .

MASONEX BATHEE OLDEE THAN 150 YEAES . In last number the Act of Parliament , 3 , Henry 6 , cap . 1 , Anno Don . 1425 , was quoted , which Act makes it felony to assemble chapters and congregations of Masons . The Act de facto has never been repealedbut in the 2 nd part of Coke ' s Institutes

, , page 99 , it explains in what manner the Act becomes of non-effect . " It is ordained and established that no congregations and confederacies shall be made by Masons in their general chapters and assemblies , whereby the good course and effects of the Statutes of Labourers

are violated and broken , in subversion of law : and if any be , they that cause such chapters and congregations to be assembled and holden shall be adjudged felons .

" The cause wherefore this offence was made felony , is , for that the good course and effect of the Statutes of Labourers were thereby violated and broken . Now all the statutes concerning labourers before this Aet , and whereunto this Act doth refer , are repealed by the Statute of 5 Eliz . cap . 4 , whereby the cause and end of the making of this Act is taken and

away , consequentl y this Act is become of no force or effect : for ^ cessatile 'rational legis , eestas ipsa lex . And the indictment upon this Statute must contain that those chapters and congregations were to the violating and breaking of the good course and effect of those Statutes iof Labourers , which now cannot be alledged ,

because those statutes be repealed . Therefore , this would be put out of the charge of Justices of the Peace . " There is no mention in 3 rd Henry 6 , cap . 1 , of benefit of clergy , and the writer of the Constitutions of Freemasons says that the Act ' ¦' affected only the worlcing masons " —that isthe operativesnot the

, , speculative or higher orders . Whether operative or working masons were entitled to the benefit of clergy is deserving consideration . The learned or theoretical Masons were , of course , all clerical . The writer of the Constitutions says that the Chief Justice Coke was a Freemasonhe died in 163-1 but his 2 nd part

, , of Institutes bears date 1642 , the very year the prayerbook was printed in which K Char the martyr is mentioned , and which 1642 Bro . Melville asserts to be a Masonic point . —SAXELP . T .

JOINING BRETHREN AND INITIATIONS . Tour esteemed correspondent , Bro . H . H ., may rest assured that Bro . ijt B > g < is quite correct in stating "that no person can be initiated , neither can any joining member be admitted on the same day that a new lodge is ; opened and consecrated . " Although it

is not so stated in the "Book of Constitutions , " that is the custom or rule now under the Grand Lodge of England ; but some little time since Bro . H . H . was quite in order by acting otherwise . The fact is , however , that this new arrangement has been made in consequence of the irregularities of unconsecrated

lodges , and the delay often found to occur bstween the time the dispensation for temporary work was granted and the day of the consecration . , In our own experience , we have known more than a year to have passed before the consecration of a lodge , and actually a new Master to have been elected and installed , in

consequence of which when the warrant was read on the formal day of constituting the lodge , and the names of the officers were read over , the W . M . nominate was a P . M ., and the J . W . was actually the W . M . From what I have heard , my experience has been that of many , and therefore the present rule is a most judicious one , and will be found to be in the main very beneficial , in the provinces especially . — W . J . HUGHAN ( PBOV . G . SEC , CORNWALL ) .

MASONIC DISCIPLINE . Crux does good in ventilating some questions and inducing brethren to think about them ; but , as he disregards the history and practices of the Craft at home and abroad , and evolves his conclusions from his own imagination or observationthere are too

, many of his conclusions which cannot be accepted . The answer as to assistant officers , which he impugnes is ancient and correct , according to the basis on which it is framed , aud it is the attempt to set things right which deprives us of many aucient relics without giving us anything really better .

Having got a Pythagorean trinity in the three superiors , another trinity was sought for in the three inferiors , and the more readily fouvJ , f , s the fourth of the inferiors was in the outer regions , without the door of the lodge room , but within the precincts of the outer enclosure . His position and functions are very - well maintained in foreign lodges . The strained attempt to get a number 3 is abundantly illustrated in the lectures . It may be that ,

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