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Freemasonry About One Hundred And Fifty-Two Tears Old.

grand foundation upon which 'R . ' rests when he disputes ' the dictum of Professor Cosmo Innes 'one of our most accomplished Scottish historians and antiquarians—anent the supposed existence , & c , of Scottish lodges about or hefore the middle of the 12 th century , is the pretended Charter said to have been granted to ' the free Masons in Stirling , ' by David I .,

on 'the fifth day of March , ' 1471 ! * " Poor ' R ., ' I am sorry to disenchant you ; but this imaginary rock upon which you rest is simply a quicksand , for this pretended charter is , I consider , an impertinent forgery , manipulated during last century and probably since the first edition of

Nlmmo ' s history of Stirlingshire was published in 1777 . Its phraseology is comparatively modern , and the minute distinctions it enters into are those of a much later day , it is also twin brother to our celebrated Glasgow writ , the one document containing exactly word for word ( according to our English

versions ) about 90 per cent , of what the other contains ; therefore , friend ' R ., ' take my advice , and say nothing at all the next time you feel a desire to champion the pretended immense antiquity of

Freemasonry . " In your issue of 7 th inst ., a new Masonic champion comes forward under the formidable cognomen of ' St . John ' s , ' but I am sorry to see St . John in this case wielding such a pointless lance and bestriding such a footless roxinante . Why the lance couldn't pierce silk paperand the steedunable to carry its

, , rider safely off the field , leaves him lying prostrate on the ground loudly crying , ' Who ever heard of a fraternity of Weavers ? " Now 'St . John ' s , ' as you say , we know that s Masons' lodges are dedicated to saints , ' but so also are Protestant churches , at least they are named after

them ; but such a fact is no proof that either have anything to do with Roman Catholicism , and both are anything but favourites with Rome . Then , as to a 'weaver ' s fraternity , " that is nothing extraordinary ; there were weaver ' s fraternities in existence long before speculative Masonry was instituted , and

although the introduction of machinery has now sent the weavers down the hill a bit , yet , as is well known , things were different with them for ages previously . The operative free-weavers had their sodality , fraternity , or brotherhood , centuries ago , just as the free-masons or free-eordiners had theirs , and in the

minutes of Glasgow St . Mungo Lodge , 25 Sept ., 1784 , we find notice of the Glasgow ' King ' s free linen weavers . ' + So here we have free-weavers as well as free-masons , and for the meaning of the word 4 freemason , ' in the 17 th century we read the wellknown Rosling Charter , 1628 , which mentions the 'Deacones , Masteres friemen of the Maissones and Hammermen' as ' deacones , maisteris and freemen of the saidis vocations , ' ergo a free-mason or a

freehammerman then simply meant a mason or hammerman who was free to work at his trade , and before doing so he had to work his ' essay , ' to show he was capable of serving his Majesty ' s lieges . And to show how baseless are the pretensions upon many points of the Masonic fraternity , we find that in all the long period which elapsed in Glasgow between 1604 and

1843 ( 239 years ) we do not find a Mason ever elected as 'Deacon-convener , ' whereas we find the weavers five times , and the fraternity of St . Crispin , alias the cordiners or shoemakers , have one of their Craft 13 times ' Deacon-Convener . ' I should not he astonished to discover that the cordiners of the 16 th

century or so , had at least as many , if not even more ' secrets' than the then Masons . Between 1843 and 1857 , we find two Masons as ' Deacons-Conveners . ' "I do not consider that the Masons , as things were previous to 1720 or so , were capable of keeping alive any such rituals and Masonic ceremonies as we

now have ; even with all the privileges now possessed , I am utterly unable to recall either the name or remembrance of any operative mason here , master or man , who ever performed the ceremonies in my hearing . Upon this point Bro . Lyon observes , — ' It should also he borne in mind that previous to the

introduction of speculative Masonry into Scotland , the number and quality of officers necessary to direct the affairs of lodges were not such as could render practicable the working of any very elaborate ritual . A Deacon , Warden , Clerk ( who was no Craftsman ) , and Officer , were the only officials in Mother Kilwinning till December , 1735 , and in some other lodges till a later period ; and , with such a meagre array of

officers , how , by any possibility could the dramatis personce of speculative Masonry have been sustained ?' " I shall now proceed to grapple more closely with the subject , and prove that not only was there no speculative Masonry or Freemasonry in existence hefore the Reformationbut not even before the 18 th

, century , A . D . The best way to do this is to examine the old books of the Masons themselves , and see what they say . Well , such has been done . I have examined old records of different sorts bearing both directly and indirectly upon the subject , but can find no evidence to prove that the Masons' societies of the

17 th or former centuries varied in any essential particulars from the other trades , any further than that the masons were masons and the cordiners were shoemakers . Then , I may refer to that well-known Masonic Lodge , ' Mother Kilwinning , ' which has records from 1642 , or to the old lodge of Edinburgh ,

'Mary ' s Chapel , ' which has records from 1598 . Well , had speculative Masonry or Freemasonry been practised by either of these lodges previous to 1717 their minutes would surely have said so . Tet what does our Masonic historian , Bro . D . Murray Lyon , saywho went through the former some time since ,

, and who has been lately examining the latter ? He says , no later than 10 th inst ., ' The Reformation was indeed the precursor , but could not be said to have had a special or direct bearing upon Freemasonry . ' Again he says— ' Non-operatives cannot be shown to have to any extent been admitted members of lodges

before 1634 , and then only they were admitted as fellows of the Masonic craft , just as in our day the Prince of Wales or any other ' non-professioual gentleman may he received as an honorary member of the Fish-

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THE INAUGURATION FESTIVAL JEWEL. Article 1
THE PALESTINE EXPLORATION FUND. Article 1
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 4
FREEMASONRY ABOUT ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY-TWO TEARS OLD. Article 6
BIBLES, &c., AND DECAPITATION OF BRO. MELVILLE (p. 129.) Article 8
REVISION OF THE RITUALS. Article 9
NEW LODGES AND NEW MEMBERS. Article 9
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METROPOLITAN. Article 11
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MARK MASONRY. Article 13
LAYING THE FOUNDATION STONE OF THE SHERIFF COURT-HOUSE AND NEW HALL AT FORFAR. Article 14
MASONIC PRESENTATION AT THE WORCESTER CATHEDRAL. Article 16
LAYING THE CORNER STONE OF THE MASONIC HALL, CARLETON, NEW BRUNSWICK. Article 17
LITERATURE, SCIENCE, MUSIC, DRAMA, AND THE FINE ARTS. Article 19
Poetry. Article 20
LIST OF LODGE, &c., MEETINGS FOR WEEK ENDING 28TH AUGUST, 1869. Article 20
TO CORESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Freemasonry About One Hundred And Fifty-Two Tears Old.

grand foundation upon which 'R . ' rests when he disputes ' the dictum of Professor Cosmo Innes 'one of our most accomplished Scottish historians and antiquarians—anent the supposed existence , & c , of Scottish lodges about or hefore the middle of the 12 th century , is the pretended Charter said to have been granted to ' the free Masons in Stirling , ' by David I .,

on 'the fifth day of March , ' 1471 ! * " Poor ' R ., ' I am sorry to disenchant you ; but this imaginary rock upon which you rest is simply a quicksand , for this pretended charter is , I consider , an impertinent forgery , manipulated during last century and probably since the first edition of

Nlmmo ' s history of Stirlingshire was published in 1777 . Its phraseology is comparatively modern , and the minute distinctions it enters into are those of a much later day , it is also twin brother to our celebrated Glasgow writ , the one document containing exactly word for word ( according to our English

versions ) about 90 per cent , of what the other contains ; therefore , friend ' R ., ' take my advice , and say nothing at all the next time you feel a desire to champion the pretended immense antiquity of

Freemasonry . " In your issue of 7 th inst ., a new Masonic champion comes forward under the formidable cognomen of ' St . John ' s , ' but I am sorry to see St . John in this case wielding such a pointless lance and bestriding such a footless roxinante . Why the lance couldn't pierce silk paperand the steedunable to carry its

, , rider safely off the field , leaves him lying prostrate on the ground loudly crying , ' Who ever heard of a fraternity of Weavers ? " Now 'St . John ' s , ' as you say , we know that s Masons' lodges are dedicated to saints , ' but so also are Protestant churches , at least they are named after

them ; but such a fact is no proof that either have anything to do with Roman Catholicism , and both are anything but favourites with Rome . Then , as to a 'weaver ' s fraternity , " that is nothing extraordinary ; there were weaver ' s fraternities in existence long before speculative Masonry was instituted , and

although the introduction of machinery has now sent the weavers down the hill a bit , yet , as is well known , things were different with them for ages previously . The operative free-weavers had their sodality , fraternity , or brotherhood , centuries ago , just as the free-masons or free-eordiners had theirs , and in the

minutes of Glasgow St . Mungo Lodge , 25 Sept ., 1784 , we find notice of the Glasgow ' King ' s free linen weavers . ' + So here we have free-weavers as well as free-masons , and for the meaning of the word 4 freemason , ' in the 17 th century we read the wellknown Rosling Charter , 1628 , which mentions the 'Deacones , Masteres friemen of the Maissones and Hammermen' as ' deacones , maisteris and freemen of the saidis vocations , ' ergo a free-mason or a

freehammerman then simply meant a mason or hammerman who was free to work at his trade , and before doing so he had to work his ' essay , ' to show he was capable of serving his Majesty ' s lieges . And to show how baseless are the pretensions upon many points of the Masonic fraternity , we find that in all the long period which elapsed in Glasgow between 1604 and

1843 ( 239 years ) we do not find a Mason ever elected as 'Deacon-convener , ' whereas we find the weavers five times , and the fraternity of St . Crispin , alias the cordiners or shoemakers , have one of their Craft 13 times ' Deacon-Convener . ' I should not he astonished to discover that the cordiners of the 16 th

century or so , had at least as many , if not even more ' secrets' than the then Masons . Between 1843 and 1857 , we find two Masons as ' Deacons-Conveners . ' "I do not consider that the Masons , as things were previous to 1720 or so , were capable of keeping alive any such rituals and Masonic ceremonies as we

now have ; even with all the privileges now possessed , I am utterly unable to recall either the name or remembrance of any operative mason here , master or man , who ever performed the ceremonies in my hearing . Upon this point Bro . Lyon observes , — ' It should also he borne in mind that previous to the

introduction of speculative Masonry into Scotland , the number and quality of officers necessary to direct the affairs of lodges were not such as could render practicable the working of any very elaborate ritual . A Deacon , Warden , Clerk ( who was no Craftsman ) , and Officer , were the only officials in Mother Kilwinning till December , 1735 , and in some other lodges till a later period ; and , with such a meagre array of

officers , how , by any possibility could the dramatis personce of speculative Masonry have been sustained ?' " I shall now proceed to grapple more closely with the subject , and prove that not only was there no speculative Masonry or Freemasonry in existence hefore the Reformationbut not even before the 18 th

, century , A . D . The best way to do this is to examine the old books of the Masons themselves , and see what they say . Well , such has been done . I have examined old records of different sorts bearing both directly and indirectly upon the subject , but can find no evidence to prove that the Masons' societies of the

17 th or former centuries varied in any essential particulars from the other trades , any further than that the masons were masons and the cordiners were shoemakers . Then , I may refer to that well-known Masonic Lodge , ' Mother Kilwinning , ' which has records from 1642 , or to the old lodge of Edinburgh ,

'Mary ' s Chapel , ' which has records from 1598 . Well , had speculative Masonry or Freemasonry been practised by either of these lodges previous to 1717 their minutes would surely have said so . Tet what does our Masonic historian , Bro . D . Murray Lyon , saywho went through the former some time since ,

, and who has been lately examining the latter ? He says , no later than 10 th inst ., ' The Reformation was indeed the precursor , but could not be said to have had a special or direct bearing upon Freemasonry . ' Again he says— ' Non-operatives cannot be shown to have to any extent been admitted members of lodges

before 1634 , and then only they were admitted as fellows of the Masonic craft , just as in our day the Prince of Wales or any other ' non-professioual gentleman may he received as an honorary member of the Fish-

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