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Correspondence.

works of art at the Emperor of China ' s Summer Palace ; for I require as great a preparation for the reception of our noble mysteries as " Secretary No . 162 , " or any other member can ; and I would blackball an immoral man , even though he were a prince , whilst I would admit a "just and upright" man of intelligence , even though he was a private soldierwhom I cannot join in regarding as " a

, ^ slave to her Majesty , " etc . I remain , dear Sir and Brother , yours very fraternally , BROTHER PETER . September 14 th , 1861 .

TO THE EDITOE OP THE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIEEOR . SIR AND BROTHER , —With reference to the letter signed Brother Peter , of the 31 st ult ., in your MAGAZINE , I wish to make a few remaaks which will meet his case . I was initiated in a military lodge , and Master of it several times , ¦ and I havo no hesitation iu stating that allowing private

soldiers to become Freemasons would bring discredit upon the Craft . In my lodge when a well conducted non-commissioned officer applied and was properly proposed , there was no difficulty in the matter , and the private to become a Freemason should first aspire for promotion from the ranks . The brother officers dare not associate with men of the same grade as Peter , and he knows that quite well ; he must be

one of those military lawyers who are continually grumbling and striving to find fault ; it is very probable that they have « xpelled him for misconduct , such as drunkenness , and reduced him in consequence to the ranks ; for if he was made in a military lodge he must have been a non-commissioned officer first , and reverting to bis former rank of private would exclude him from Masonry , until by good conduct he

might again be promoted . Such , in my military experience , has often occurred , and I have no doubt but Bro . Peter is in some such predicament . I am , Sir aud Brother , yours fraternally , J . W . W . P . S . — "What he means by recruiting for Freemasonry in the army I am at a loss to know , for soliciting even , he should know is strictl y forbidden , his obligation should teach him better .

"How Old's Your Mother?"

"HOW OLD'S YOUR MOTHER ? "

TO THE EDITOE OH THE FREEMASONS MAGAZINE AXD MASONIC MIRROR . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —In the "Masonic Notes and Queries" given in your MAGAZINE for the 31 st ult ., CE . says : — " I was asked theother day , 'How old's your Mother ?' and laughed at because I could not tell . " Aud he asks " What answer should I have given ? " Presuming that the question was a genuine oneas I have often known it asked

, by that class of Masons with whom laughing at a brother is , I am sorry to say , about the only mark of attention paid to him , I forwarded you an ansiver to tho query , and was rather surprised to find in your "Notices to Correspondents " the remark that I " can scarcely suppose that you would publish it . " From your answer to the question , I really did not suppose " had you thought it desirableyon could

your-, selves havo supplied tho ansiver ; " nor would you have been at all deemed lost in ignorance by your humble servant had you never heard of this very foolish question before , for I 'had hoped that the habit of asking it was confined to a few old brethren in the North of England , whose vagaries tbe younger brethren might bear with . I had not the faintest conception that it was one of those genuine tests of initiation

which we are solemnly sworn not to reveal to the outer world . If it be , why is thc information never given in lodge ? And only after the brother so questioned has been " laughed at , " even if then . I know that many worthy brothers have been annoyed with tbe ridiculous manner in which they have been jeered and " laughed at" by their brother Masons for not being able to furnish the wished-for lto this trumpery

repy catch question ; and I put it to you seriously , whether Freemasonry is not degraded by such tomfoolery ? Would it not be better for those jeering brethren to meet together in Lodges of Instruction , and practice our lectures , which have never been given in many of thoir lodges for half a century , if at all , and where oven tho P . M . ' s have never so

"How Old's Your Mother?"

much as seen a tracing-board . I think the Prov . G-. M . ' s neglect their duties very much in some provinces , in not visiting the lodges under their care , and seeing that no lodge is allowed to substitute paltry catch-questions like " How old ' s your Mother ? " out of doors , for instruction in tbe lectures in the lodge . I only wish , Mr . Editor , that you could visit every lodge in England , and report , from your

own observation , on the state of Masonic instruction amongst us . I am not one of those who wish to see no smile on the human countenance ; I even believe , in its proper place , in "Laughterholding both its sides , " but not at the expense of a brother who never happens to have hoard tho silly question of "How old ' s your Mother ?" I am , clear Sir and Brotheryours very fraternally

, , September 16 th , 1861 . G . W . F . [ We did not mean to intimate that it was a genuine test of Masonry , though we still hold to the opinion that what our correspondent calls a jeering question only requires a jeering answer . ED . 7 . ]

Sussex Provincial Grand Lodge.

SUSSEX PROVINCIAL GRAND LODGE .

TO THE EDITOE OF THE FREEMASONS * MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . _ DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —Impolitic as I consider it at all times to answer auoymous communications , I cannot refrain as Master of the Provincial Grand Secretary ' s Mother Lodge , alluded to by " Observer " in your MAGAZINE of August 24 th , and September 14 th , from putting you in possession of the facts as regards our Bro . Pocock's

attendance at this lodge . On reference to the Minute Book I find that in 1859 out of twelve meetings he was only absent from two , in 1860 , three , and out of ten meetings alreadyheld this year he has been present at eight . I think you will agree with me , that it cannot in truth be said , that he is not a regular attendant at his Mother Lodge . I presume that your correspondent is not aware that our Bro . Pocock

is a member of the medical profession , or he would make some allowance on that score . I am enabled to assert that his absence from thc duties of the lodge on tbe occasions referred to during the last thirty-three months arose solely from tho pressing emergencies of his professional avocations . I am , dear Sir and Brother , fraternally yours , JOSEPH DIXON , W . M . Royal Clarence Lodge , 338 . Brighton , September 17 th , 1861 .

TO THE EDITOR OE THE EREEMASONS MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIKE 02 . DEAR SIR AXD BROTHER , —My object in replying to the first letter of " OBSERVER " AA-as in consequence of the ivide circulation which your Magazine commands . Although I felt sure that my brethren of this province would judge fairly of the points at issue , I Avas very unwilling that brethren of other provinces should form an unfavourable opinion of the state of Freemasonry in Sussex by alloAving the misstatements of "OBSERVER" to remain

uncontradicted . "OBSERVER" has , however , repeated his assertions , adding others , if possible , of still greater inaccuracy , so that I feel compelled , though reluctantly , again to ansAver them . I shall pass over all the personal observations , not feeling called upon to break a lance ( to use " OBSERVER ' S " oivn phrase ) Avith one AVSIO avails himself of the shield of an anonymous writer ; should be , however , feel disposed to step forth from his obscurity , I shall

be then ready and happy to meet him upon more equal terms . In answer to his assertion that " there is not , unfortunately , another brother in the province equally capable of performing the ceremony of installation , " I maintain that there are various well-known brethren in the several lodges in Sussex who are perfectly capable , and AVIIO have often most admirably performed that ceremony . The only other portion of " OBSERVER ' S " letter to Avhich I shall reply , is the tabular statement ivith which it concludes , viz .:

—"Lodge 45 ( 42 members ) , none . Lodge 47 ( 34 members ) , none . Lodge 64 ( 29 members ) , none . Lodge 420 ( 10 members ) , none . Clarence Lodge , 338 ( 91 members ) , Bros . Scott , Taylor , Pocock , H . Verrall , Kuhe , Tathain , Corder , Chittenden ( and "Verrall and Ancock elected ) . Lodge 390 ( 34 members ) , Bros . Hearne and Turner .

Lodge 394 ( 72 members ) , Bros . Moppett , Freeman , and Challen . Lodge 1034 ( 25 members ) , Bro . Potter . Lodge 1113 ( 18 members ) , Bro . Moor . Lodge 1153 ( 18 members ) , none . "

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THE BENEFITS OF FREEMASONRY. Article 1
SWITZERLAND. Article 6
ARCHITECTURE AND ARCHÆOLOGY. Article 7
GENERAL ARCHITECTURAL INTELLIGENCE. Article 7
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 9
NOTES ON LITERATURE SCIENCE AND ART. Article 11
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 13
"HOW OLD'S YOUR MOTHER?" Article 14
SUSSEX PROVINCIAL GRAND LODGE. Article 14
"BEAUCEANT AND BANNER OF WAR." Article 15
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 16
METROPOLITAN. Article 16
PROVINCIAL. Article 16
ROYAL ARCH, Article 17
Obituary. Article 18
THE WEEK. Article 18
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Correspondence.

works of art at the Emperor of China ' s Summer Palace ; for I require as great a preparation for the reception of our noble mysteries as " Secretary No . 162 , " or any other member can ; and I would blackball an immoral man , even though he were a prince , whilst I would admit a "just and upright" man of intelligence , even though he was a private soldierwhom I cannot join in regarding as " a

, ^ slave to her Majesty , " etc . I remain , dear Sir and Brother , yours very fraternally , BROTHER PETER . September 14 th , 1861 .

TO THE EDITOE OP THE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIEEOR . SIR AND BROTHER , —With reference to the letter signed Brother Peter , of the 31 st ult ., in your MAGAZINE , I wish to make a few remaaks which will meet his case . I was initiated in a military lodge , and Master of it several times , ¦ and I havo no hesitation iu stating that allowing private

soldiers to become Freemasons would bring discredit upon the Craft . In my lodge when a well conducted non-commissioned officer applied and was properly proposed , there was no difficulty in the matter , and the private to become a Freemason should first aspire for promotion from the ranks . The brother officers dare not associate with men of the same grade as Peter , and he knows that quite well ; he must be

one of those military lawyers who are continually grumbling and striving to find fault ; it is very probable that they have « xpelled him for misconduct , such as drunkenness , and reduced him in consequence to the ranks ; for if he was made in a military lodge he must have been a non-commissioned officer first , and reverting to bis former rank of private would exclude him from Masonry , until by good conduct he

might again be promoted . Such , in my military experience , has often occurred , and I have no doubt but Bro . Peter is in some such predicament . I am , Sir aud Brother , yours fraternally , J . W . W . P . S . — "What he means by recruiting for Freemasonry in the army I am at a loss to know , for soliciting even , he should know is strictl y forbidden , his obligation should teach him better .

"How Old's Your Mother?"

"HOW OLD'S YOUR MOTHER ? "

TO THE EDITOE OH THE FREEMASONS MAGAZINE AXD MASONIC MIRROR . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —In the "Masonic Notes and Queries" given in your MAGAZINE for the 31 st ult ., CE . says : — " I was asked theother day , 'How old's your Mother ?' and laughed at because I could not tell . " Aud he asks " What answer should I have given ? " Presuming that the question was a genuine oneas I have often known it asked

, by that class of Masons with whom laughing at a brother is , I am sorry to say , about the only mark of attention paid to him , I forwarded you an ansiver to tho query , and was rather surprised to find in your "Notices to Correspondents " the remark that I " can scarcely suppose that you would publish it . " From your answer to the question , I really did not suppose " had you thought it desirableyon could

your-, selves havo supplied tho ansiver ; " nor would you have been at all deemed lost in ignorance by your humble servant had you never heard of this very foolish question before , for I 'had hoped that the habit of asking it was confined to a few old brethren in the North of England , whose vagaries tbe younger brethren might bear with . I had not the faintest conception that it was one of those genuine tests of initiation

which we are solemnly sworn not to reveal to the outer world . If it be , why is thc information never given in lodge ? And only after the brother so questioned has been " laughed at , " even if then . I know that many worthy brothers have been annoyed with tbe ridiculous manner in which they have been jeered and " laughed at" by their brother Masons for not being able to furnish the wished-for lto this trumpery

repy catch question ; and I put it to you seriously , whether Freemasonry is not degraded by such tomfoolery ? Would it not be better for those jeering brethren to meet together in Lodges of Instruction , and practice our lectures , which have never been given in many of thoir lodges for half a century , if at all , and where oven tho P . M . ' s have never so

"How Old's Your Mother?"

much as seen a tracing-board . I think the Prov . G-. M . ' s neglect their duties very much in some provinces , in not visiting the lodges under their care , and seeing that no lodge is allowed to substitute paltry catch-questions like " How old ' s your Mother ? " out of doors , for instruction in tbe lectures in the lodge . I only wish , Mr . Editor , that you could visit every lodge in England , and report , from your

own observation , on the state of Masonic instruction amongst us . I am not one of those who wish to see no smile on the human countenance ; I even believe , in its proper place , in "Laughterholding both its sides , " but not at the expense of a brother who never happens to have hoard tho silly question of "How old ' s your Mother ?" I am , clear Sir and Brotheryours very fraternally

, , September 16 th , 1861 . G . W . F . [ We did not mean to intimate that it was a genuine test of Masonry , though we still hold to the opinion that what our correspondent calls a jeering question only requires a jeering answer . ED . 7 . ]

Sussex Provincial Grand Lodge.

SUSSEX PROVINCIAL GRAND LODGE .

TO THE EDITOE OF THE FREEMASONS * MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . _ DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —Impolitic as I consider it at all times to answer auoymous communications , I cannot refrain as Master of the Provincial Grand Secretary ' s Mother Lodge , alluded to by " Observer " in your MAGAZINE of August 24 th , and September 14 th , from putting you in possession of the facts as regards our Bro . Pocock's

attendance at this lodge . On reference to the Minute Book I find that in 1859 out of twelve meetings he was only absent from two , in 1860 , three , and out of ten meetings alreadyheld this year he has been present at eight . I think you will agree with me , that it cannot in truth be said , that he is not a regular attendant at his Mother Lodge . I presume that your correspondent is not aware that our Bro . Pocock

is a member of the medical profession , or he would make some allowance on that score . I am enabled to assert that his absence from thc duties of the lodge on tbe occasions referred to during the last thirty-three months arose solely from tho pressing emergencies of his professional avocations . I am , dear Sir and Brother , fraternally yours , JOSEPH DIXON , W . M . Royal Clarence Lodge , 338 . Brighton , September 17 th , 1861 .

TO THE EDITOR OE THE EREEMASONS MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIKE 02 . DEAR SIR AXD BROTHER , —My object in replying to the first letter of " OBSERVER " AA-as in consequence of the ivide circulation which your Magazine commands . Although I felt sure that my brethren of this province would judge fairly of the points at issue , I Avas very unwilling that brethren of other provinces should form an unfavourable opinion of the state of Freemasonry in Sussex by alloAving the misstatements of "OBSERVER" to remain

uncontradicted . "OBSERVER" has , however , repeated his assertions , adding others , if possible , of still greater inaccuracy , so that I feel compelled , though reluctantly , again to ansAver them . I shall pass over all the personal observations , not feeling called upon to break a lance ( to use " OBSERVER ' S " oivn phrase ) Avith one AVSIO avails himself of the shield of an anonymous writer ; should be , however , feel disposed to step forth from his obscurity , I shall

be then ready and happy to meet him upon more equal terms . In answer to his assertion that " there is not , unfortunately , another brother in the province equally capable of performing the ceremony of installation , " I maintain that there are various well-known brethren in the several lodges in Sussex who are perfectly capable , and AVIIO have often most admirably performed that ceremony . The only other portion of " OBSERVER ' S " letter to Avhich I shall reply , is the tabular statement ivith which it concludes , viz .:

—"Lodge 45 ( 42 members ) , none . Lodge 47 ( 34 members ) , none . Lodge 64 ( 29 members ) , none . Lodge 420 ( 10 members ) , none . Clarence Lodge , 338 ( 91 members ) , Bros . Scott , Taylor , Pocock , H . Verrall , Kuhe , Tathain , Corder , Chittenden ( and "Verrall and Ancock elected ) . Lodge 390 ( 34 members ) , Bros . Hearne and Turner .

Lodge 394 ( 72 members ) , Bros . Moppett , Freeman , and Challen . Lodge 1034 ( 25 members ) , Bro . Potter . Lodge 1113 ( 18 members ) , Bro . Moor . Lodge 1153 ( 18 members ) , none . "

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