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Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

Whe Editor is not responsible far the opinions expressed by Correspondents . SUSPENSION OF LODGE OFFICERS . 'SO THE EDITOR OE THE EKEEltASONS' MAGAZINE A ? TD 3 IASO > -IC 3 II ? . EOE . DEAE SIE AND BEOTHEE , —I observe in vour last -numberdated Sept . 7 tha long and rather rambling

, , letter from Bro . Thomas M . Campbell , complaining of the proceedings of the Provincial Grand Lodge here . He states that the J . W . of the Lodgo Clyde . ( No . 408 ) , which had been suspended by Provincial Grand Lodge , was debarred from voting ,-as no official intimation of the removal of said suspension had

been sent from Grand Lodge . Bro . Campbell says that he considers it was nofc necessary for the Provincial Grand Lodge to have this official intimation , as one of the Provincial Grand Lodge office-bearers was present at Grand Lodge , and heard tho case -decidedand couldthereforetell Provincial Grand

, , , Lodge what he saw and heard there ; but , surely , Bro . Campbell could not call that an official intimation ? Bro . Campbell again affirms that it was fche duty of our Prov . G . Sec . to have written to Grand Lodge anent this , and considers that he clenches his argument hy adding , " The Grand Lodge is not bound to

instruct of said removal except through the Grand Lodge reporter , " but I consider that word except makes all the difference . I would infer from Bro . Campbell's own quotation , that Grand Lodge is bound to instruct through Grand Lodge reporter . Bro . Campbell again says"you describe it as being

, . a nice point of Masonic law . " Under the circumstances , I consider that there is nothing wrong in that expression , as I affirm it was a point of Masonic law , and a uoint to stand bv , too , when necessarv . But Bro .

Campbell adds , " pray who was there that knew anything of Masonic law ? " Now I must say that the brother who dares to apply that observation to the whole body of brethren at a meeting of a Provincial Grand Lodge , would require to be extra well posted up himself , and as a specimen of Bro . Campbell's

knowledge of Masonic law , I need not go further to show his ignorance , than by using his owu words . He says , " On a former occasion , the D . Prov . G . M . in his Masonic wisdom ( Heaven save the mark ) refused to allow the S . W . of said lodge to sit in the Provincial Grand Lodge , although the office-bearers suspended

had complied with cap . xxi ., sec . 9 , of Grand Lodge laws , which says ' that should any brother be suspended or expelled from any lodge holding of the Grand Lodge of Scotland , without appealing against such sentence within one month thereafter , he shall be deemed to have lost his Masonic privilegesand

, shall not be permitted to appear either in Grand Lodge or in any daughter lodges , until such judgment has been recalled . ' This law proves that no brother has lost his Masonic privileges provided ho appeals within the given time . " Now it so happens that the rule Bro . Campbell quotes above is not for

the regulation of the Provincial Grand Lodge ; but for the regulation of the daughter lodges and their members . The rule which the Provincial Grand Lodge can take its stand on is cap . xiii ., sec . 4 , which says .- — " The Provincial Grand Lodge shall hear and determine all subjects of Masonic complaint or irregularity

respecting lodges or brethren within the district , and may proceed to admonition or fine , or even suspension until the party thinking himself aggrieved bring the matter before the Grand Lodge or Grand Committee . " Bro . Campbell seems to be displeased with the Provincial Grand Lodge here altogether . For my

own part , so far as I can judge from several years ' connection with it , I consider it to be one of the most active centres of Masonic influence in Scotland , and although our D . Prov . G . M . may not be perfect , it will not be easy to get another who will attend all the meetings so regularly as he has clone .

Yours fraternally , A MEITBEK OE PEOV . G . L . Glasgow , Sept . 9 th , 18 G 7 .

SUPERINTENDENCE OF LODGES .

TO THE EDlTOa OS THE ESIEEMASOSS' MAGAZISE AXD MASOHIC JIIEEOE . DEAE SIE AND BEOTHEE , —Your correspondent " li . H ., " in his letter on the subject of the circulation of the Magazine , which appeared in your last week ' s issue , -refers to a suggestion previously urged by him , viz ., "the appointment and regular payment by Grand Lodgeof skilled Masonswho should

, , travel about , inspect lodges , and make formal reports to some body having authority , & c . " Now I fully concur in the desirability of a systematic inspection of lodges , but [ think ifc might be done without throwing the expense of regular payment upon Grand Lodge . I am quite sure that there are many brethren

of skill , both in and out of the London district , who would willingly undertake the duties referred to , on being refunded their actual expenditure for travelling , & c . Supposing , for the purpose of exercising supervision over tho lodges in the London district , the Grand Master created a new office in Grand Lodge , and appointed a " Grand Inspector of Lodges , " taking- precedence next after the Grand Registrar , would there be anv difficultv in findin-j brethren both

able and willing to accept the office and perforin its duties ? I think nofc . In the provinces the matter might be very readily arranged , there are many offices in Provincial Grand Lodges which have no practical duties assigned them . The Prov . G . Registrar , whose duties are really most important , is too often a mere

cipher , or a retired working officer , who takes the office as a kind of brevet rank , and expects to be allowed to retire on his laurels , whilst his duties are performed by the Prov . G . Secretary . Now what is to prevent the task being assigned to him , of superintending and visiting the lodges in his province

, being allowed his actual expenses ? The office should be more or less a-permanent one , so that , if a business man , he might visit , say half a dozen lodges only in a year ( some provinces have not more ) , and make his report annually at the meeting of Provincial Grand Lodge . The lodges should be visited indiscriminately ,

and the fact , that " a chiel was amang them takin ' notes , " would put all the lodges in the province on the alert , and create a spirit of emulation . Yours fraternally , H . B . WHITE . Warrington , lGfch Sept ., 1867 .

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SOME MASONIC MATTERS FOR FUTURE INQUIRY. Article 2
THE KNIGHTS TEMPLARS. Article 7
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 10
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 11
MASONIC MEMS. Article 12
METROPOLITAN. Article 12
PROVINCIAL. Article 12
Untitled Article 13
SCOTLAND. Article 15
CANADA. Article 16
ROYAL ARCH. Article 18
Untitled Article 18
Poetry. Article 19
LODGE MEETINGS, ETC., FOR THE WEEK ENDING SEPTEMBER 28TH, 1S67. Article 19
THE WEEK. Article 19
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

Whe Editor is not responsible far the opinions expressed by Correspondents . SUSPENSION OF LODGE OFFICERS . 'SO THE EDITOR OE THE EKEEltASONS' MAGAZINE A ? TD 3 IASO > -IC 3 II ? . EOE . DEAE SIE AND BEOTHEE , —I observe in vour last -numberdated Sept . 7 tha long and rather rambling

, , letter from Bro . Thomas M . Campbell , complaining of the proceedings of the Provincial Grand Lodge here . He states that the J . W . of the Lodgo Clyde . ( No . 408 ) , which had been suspended by Provincial Grand Lodge , was debarred from voting ,-as no official intimation of the removal of said suspension had

been sent from Grand Lodge . Bro . Campbell says that he considers it was nofc necessary for the Provincial Grand Lodge to have this official intimation , as one of the Provincial Grand Lodge office-bearers was present at Grand Lodge , and heard tho case -decidedand couldthereforetell Provincial Grand

, , , Lodge what he saw and heard there ; but , surely , Bro . Campbell could not call that an official intimation ? Bro . Campbell again affirms that it was fche duty of our Prov . G . Sec . to have written to Grand Lodge anent this , and considers that he clenches his argument hy adding , " The Grand Lodge is not bound to

instruct of said removal except through the Grand Lodge reporter , " but I consider that word except makes all the difference . I would infer from Bro . Campbell's own quotation , that Grand Lodge is bound to instruct through Grand Lodge reporter . Bro . Campbell again says"you describe it as being

, . a nice point of Masonic law . " Under the circumstances , I consider that there is nothing wrong in that expression , as I affirm it was a point of Masonic law , and a uoint to stand bv , too , when necessarv . But Bro .

Campbell adds , " pray who was there that knew anything of Masonic law ? " Now I must say that the brother who dares to apply that observation to the whole body of brethren at a meeting of a Provincial Grand Lodge , would require to be extra well posted up himself , and as a specimen of Bro . Campbell's

knowledge of Masonic law , I need not go further to show his ignorance , than by using his owu words . He says , " On a former occasion , the D . Prov . G . M . in his Masonic wisdom ( Heaven save the mark ) refused to allow the S . W . of said lodge to sit in the Provincial Grand Lodge , although the office-bearers suspended

had complied with cap . xxi ., sec . 9 , of Grand Lodge laws , which says ' that should any brother be suspended or expelled from any lodge holding of the Grand Lodge of Scotland , without appealing against such sentence within one month thereafter , he shall be deemed to have lost his Masonic privilegesand

, shall not be permitted to appear either in Grand Lodge or in any daughter lodges , until such judgment has been recalled . ' This law proves that no brother has lost his Masonic privileges provided ho appeals within the given time . " Now it so happens that the rule Bro . Campbell quotes above is not for

the regulation of the Provincial Grand Lodge ; but for the regulation of the daughter lodges and their members . The rule which the Provincial Grand Lodge can take its stand on is cap . xiii ., sec . 4 , which says .- — " The Provincial Grand Lodge shall hear and determine all subjects of Masonic complaint or irregularity

respecting lodges or brethren within the district , and may proceed to admonition or fine , or even suspension until the party thinking himself aggrieved bring the matter before the Grand Lodge or Grand Committee . " Bro . Campbell seems to be displeased with the Provincial Grand Lodge here altogether . For my

own part , so far as I can judge from several years ' connection with it , I consider it to be one of the most active centres of Masonic influence in Scotland , and although our D . Prov . G . M . may not be perfect , it will not be easy to get another who will attend all the meetings so regularly as he has clone .

Yours fraternally , A MEITBEK OE PEOV . G . L . Glasgow , Sept . 9 th , 18 G 7 .

SUPERINTENDENCE OF LODGES .

TO THE EDlTOa OS THE ESIEEMASOSS' MAGAZISE AXD MASOHIC JIIEEOE . DEAE SIE AND BEOTHEE , —Your correspondent " li . H ., " in his letter on the subject of the circulation of the Magazine , which appeared in your last week ' s issue , -refers to a suggestion previously urged by him , viz ., "the appointment and regular payment by Grand Lodgeof skilled Masonswho should

, , travel about , inspect lodges , and make formal reports to some body having authority , & c . " Now I fully concur in the desirability of a systematic inspection of lodges , but [ think ifc might be done without throwing the expense of regular payment upon Grand Lodge . I am quite sure that there are many brethren

of skill , both in and out of the London district , who would willingly undertake the duties referred to , on being refunded their actual expenditure for travelling , & c . Supposing , for the purpose of exercising supervision over tho lodges in the London district , the Grand Master created a new office in Grand Lodge , and appointed a " Grand Inspector of Lodges , " taking- precedence next after the Grand Registrar , would there be anv difficultv in findin-j brethren both

able and willing to accept the office and perforin its duties ? I think nofc . In the provinces the matter might be very readily arranged , there are many offices in Provincial Grand Lodges which have no practical duties assigned them . The Prov . G . Registrar , whose duties are really most important , is too often a mere

cipher , or a retired working officer , who takes the office as a kind of brevet rank , and expects to be allowed to retire on his laurels , whilst his duties are performed by the Prov . G . Secretary . Now what is to prevent the task being assigned to him , of superintending and visiting the lodges in his province

, being allowed his actual expenses ? The office should be more or less a-permanent one , so that , if a business man , he might visit , say half a dozen lodges only in a year ( some provinces have not more ) , and make his report annually at the meeting of Provincial Grand Lodge . The lodges should be visited indiscriminately ,

and the fact , that " a chiel was amang them takin ' notes , " would put all the lodges in the province on the alert , and create a spirit of emulation . Yours fraternally , H . B . WHITE . Warrington , lGfch Sept ., 1867 .

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