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( which had to be built first ) with a noble stone wall of Ashlar work , with bastion and tower , 1512 . Tenth . The Incorporation of Masons , with whom the lod ge has been connected since its chartering ) got a new charter from the magistrates of Glasgow , containing alteration of the fees , & c , 1551 .
_ Eleventh . Glasgow Cathedral saved from destruction at the Reformation by the craftsmen of Glasgow * about 1580 ; or , as I consider I may safely say , chiefly by the Masons , seeing that until 1600 the Wright Craft and most of the other crafts in Glasgow , " were all under the jurisdiction of the Masonic
Incorporation and Lodge . " Twelfth . Subscription of Masons of Glasgow to Wm . St . Clair ' s Charter , Bro . Boyd , Master , 1628 .
Thirteenth . Split amongst the brethren of St . John ' s Lodge , Glasgow , in regard to speculative Masonry , 1729 . Fourteenth . Lodge of Glasgow St . John joined the © rand Lodge of Scotland , 1850 . In Glasgow the St . John ' s Lodge has always found
what was necessary , both for its existence and fixture there , viz ., plenty of work . What between the building of the cathedral , the bishops houses and palaces , & c , also the other work required about the city , the St . John ' s Lodge would always have ( since its first foundation ) , from time immemorial , more or less brethren on the roll .
Tours fraternally , W . P . BUCHAN . P . S . —I see in your number of Feb . 15 th a letter from R . T . relative to our old Charter , in answer to which I would ask him to read Bro . D . Murray Lyon ' s article iu your number of Feb . Sthand also
, the above letter of mine , then let him read the Great Charter of Holyrood of David I ., wherein he will find the words , " Quadraginta solidos , uiginti solidos , " and " Decern libras " and after he has read these , I would ask him if he still persists in affirming that St . John ' s Charter ( whether given by Malcolm III . or IV ., and
making any necessary allowance for unintentional mistakes on the part of the translator ) " is an impudent forgery , executed since the year 1740 , and perhaps comparatively recently ? " As , if he informs us that he is still of the same opinion , we must try what special answer we can give himmore especiallif he
, y adds his name to his next communication , which would make it more worth y of attention under the circumstances . I would add , at present that as yet I have not had the old Charter in my own hands ( which I
understand is in Monkish Latin ) , but have been writing hitherto on the faith of the English translation , — W . P . B . Sinee writing the above I have had our old Charter in my hand for a short time . It seems to have
suffered from fire or heat on the part outside when folded up . A great part of the Latin writing may be deciphered with ease ; but it is for the most part " folded out " at the folding . I find tha * - the English translation we have is incorrect . It contains an interpolation , and there are
also words in the Charter not in the translation . There is no number 3 after Malcolm's name , which is quite distinct . The seal has been lost . I cannot as yet make out anything about the date ; but more about it by-and-bye . I consider that the Charter is as much like a
forgery "executed since 1740 " as an old Scotch bank note , which has passed through a thousand hands , is like a crisp new Bank of England note . I shall have more to say again . Yours fraternally , W . P . BUCHAN .
M.W. Bro. Robert Morris At Liverpool.
M . W . BRO . ROBERT MORRIS AT LIVERPOOL .
TO IKE EDITOE Of THI ! PKEEMASONS MAGAZINE AND MASONIC IHEEOB . Dear Sir and Brother , —As I must needs pass so hastily through London to catch the Marseilles steamer of the 18 th that I cannot make even the briefest call upon you , I beg leave to drop into the post-office here this hasty effusion , in evidence that I am mindful of your excellent magazineeven at the
, hour when so many novelties crowd upon me and so many anxieties oppress me . My journey hither in the France has been an average one in duration , and , for the wintry season , smooth and pleasant . May I not hail this as an augury of good things to come ? I esteem myself fortunate in having secured for
myself as compagnon de voyage , through the entire of my Oriental journey , an old fellow-labourer , Mr . David W . Thomson , of Fulton City , Illinois , formerly the Masonic lecturer of his State , Deputy Grand Inspector General 33 ° A . and A . R ., and a singularly genial and pleasant gentleman . I hope that on our
return in July next I shall be privileged to introduce him to you . The only incident of our passage from New York that could in the least interest the readers of the
Magazine , was a little symposium of the Freemasons on board the France , held yesterday , at my suggestion . We " of the mystic level" stole quietly away from the crowd , and having previously tested each other by the ancient methods , opened an " Entered Apprentices Lodge" for the nonce . The names of our temporary dignitaries , and the entire of the
proceedings are thus chronicled in the records of the occasion : — " Records of a Moot Lodge , opened on the degree of Entered Apprentice , in the Purser ' s-room of the steamship France , Thursday , February 13 , 1868 , at 2 o ' clock p . m .:
—" Ol ? EICEIJ 3 AND MEMBEES PEESENT . " Robert Morris , late Grand Master of Kentucky , U . S . A ., & c , as Worshipful Master .
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Correspondence.
( which had to be built first ) with a noble stone wall of Ashlar work , with bastion and tower , 1512 . Tenth . The Incorporation of Masons , with whom the lod ge has been connected since its chartering ) got a new charter from the magistrates of Glasgow , containing alteration of the fees , & c , 1551 .
_ Eleventh . Glasgow Cathedral saved from destruction at the Reformation by the craftsmen of Glasgow * about 1580 ; or , as I consider I may safely say , chiefly by the Masons , seeing that until 1600 the Wright Craft and most of the other crafts in Glasgow , " were all under the jurisdiction of the Masonic
Incorporation and Lodge . " Twelfth . Subscription of Masons of Glasgow to Wm . St . Clair ' s Charter , Bro . Boyd , Master , 1628 .
Thirteenth . Split amongst the brethren of St . John ' s Lodge , Glasgow , in regard to speculative Masonry , 1729 . Fourteenth . Lodge of Glasgow St . John joined the © rand Lodge of Scotland , 1850 . In Glasgow the St . John ' s Lodge has always found
what was necessary , both for its existence and fixture there , viz ., plenty of work . What between the building of the cathedral , the bishops houses and palaces , & c , also the other work required about the city , the St . John ' s Lodge would always have ( since its first foundation ) , from time immemorial , more or less brethren on the roll .
Tours fraternally , W . P . BUCHAN . P . S . —I see in your number of Feb . 15 th a letter from R . T . relative to our old Charter , in answer to which I would ask him to read Bro . D . Murray Lyon ' s article iu your number of Feb . Sthand also
, the above letter of mine , then let him read the Great Charter of Holyrood of David I ., wherein he will find the words , " Quadraginta solidos , uiginti solidos , " and " Decern libras " and after he has read these , I would ask him if he still persists in affirming that St . John ' s Charter ( whether given by Malcolm III . or IV ., and
making any necessary allowance for unintentional mistakes on the part of the translator ) " is an impudent forgery , executed since the year 1740 , and perhaps comparatively recently ? " As , if he informs us that he is still of the same opinion , we must try what special answer we can give himmore especiallif he
, y adds his name to his next communication , which would make it more worth y of attention under the circumstances . I would add , at present that as yet I have not had the old Charter in my own hands ( which I
understand is in Monkish Latin ) , but have been writing hitherto on the faith of the English translation , — W . P . B . Sinee writing the above I have had our old Charter in my hand for a short time . It seems to have
suffered from fire or heat on the part outside when folded up . A great part of the Latin writing may be deciphered with ease ; but it is for the most part " folded out " at the folding . I find tha * - the English translation we have is incorrect . It contains an interpolation , and there are
also words in the Charter not in the translation . There is no number 3 after Malcolm's name , which is quite distinct . The seal has been lost . I cannot as yet make out anything about the date ; but more about it by-and-bye . I consider that the Charter is as much like a
forgery "executed since 1740 " as an old Scotch bank note , which has passed through a thousand hands , is like a crisp new Bank of England note . I shall have more to say again . Yours fraternally , W . P . BUCHAN .
M.W. Bro. Robert Morris At Liverpool.
M . W . BRO . ROBERT MORRIS AT LIVERPOOL .
TO IKE EDITOE Of THI ! PKEEMASONS MAGAZINE AND MASONIC IHEEOB . Dear Sir and Brother , —As I must needs pass so hastily through London to catch the Marseilles steamer of the 18 th that I cannot make even the briefest call upon you , I beg leave to drop into the post-office here this hasty effusion , in evidence that I am mindful of your excellent magazineeven at the
, hour when so many novelties crowd upon me and so many anxieties oppress me . My journey hither in the France has been an average one in duration , and , for the wintry season , smooth and pleasant . May I not hail this as an augury of good things to come ? I esteem myself fortunate in having secured for
myself as compagnon de voyage , through the entire of my Oriental journey , an old fellow-labourer , Mr . David W . Thomson , of Fulton City , Illinois , formerly the Masonic lecturer of his State , Deputy Grand Inspector General 33 ° A . and A . R ., and a singularly genial and pleasant gentleman . I hope that on our
return in July next I shall be privileged to introduce him to you . The only incident of our passage from New York that could in the least interest the readers of the
Magazine , was a little symposium of the Freemasons on board the France , held yesterday , at my suggestion . We " of the mystic level" stole quietly away from the crowd , and having previously tested each other by the ancient methods , opened an " Entered Apprentices Lodge" for the nonce . The names of our temporary dignitaries , and the entire of the
proceedings are thus chronicled in the records of the occasion : — " Records of a Moot Lodge , opened on the degree of Entered Apprentice , in the Purser ' s-room of the steamship France , Thursday , February 13 , 1868 , at 2 o ' clock p . m .:
—" Ol ? EICEIJ 3 AND MEMBEES PEESENT . " Robert Morris , late Grand Master of Kentucky , U . S . A ., & c , as Worshipful Master .