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( which had to be built first ) with a noble stone wall of Ashlar work , with bastion and tower , 1512 . Tenth . The Incorporation of Masons , with whom the lod ge has been connected since its chartering ) got a new charter from the magistrates of Glasgow , containing alteration of the fees , & c , 1551 .

_ Eleventh . Glasgow Cathedral saved from destruction at the Reformation by the craftsmen of Glasgow * about 1580 ; or , as I consider I may safely say , chiefly by the Masons , seeing that until 1600 the Wright Craft and most of the other crafts in Glasgow , " were all under the jurisdiction of the Masonic

Incorporation and Lodge . " Twelfth . Subscription of Masons of Glasgow to Wm . St . Clair ' s Charter , Bro . Boyd , Master , 1628 .

Thirteenth . Split amongst the brethren of St . John ' s Lodge , Glasgow , in regard to speculative Masonry , 1729 . Fourteenth . Lodge of Glasgow St . John joined the © rand Lodge of Scotland , 1850 . In Glasgow the St . John ' s Lodge has always found

what was necessary , both for its existence and fixture there , viz ., plenty of work . What between the building of the cathedral , the bishops houses and palaces , & c , also the other work required about the city , the St . John ' s Lodge would always have ( since its first foundation ) , from time immemorial , more or less brethren on the roll .

Tours fraternally , W . P . BUCHAN . P . S . —I see in your number of Feb . 15 th a letter from R . T . relative to our old Charter , in answer to which I would ask him to read Bro . D . Murray Lyon ' s article iu your number of Feb . Sthand also

, the above letter of mine , then let him read the Great Charter of Holyrood of David I ., wherein he will find the words , " Quadraginta solidos , uiginti solidos , " and " Decern libras " and after he has read these , I would ask him if he still persists in affirming that St . John ' s Charter ( whether given by Malcolm III . or IV ., and

making any necessary allowance for unintentional mistakes on the part of the translator ) " is an impudent forgery , executed since the year 1740 , and perhaps comparatively recently ? " As , if he informs us that he is still of the same opinion , we must try what special answer we can give himmore especiallif he

, y adds his name to his next communication , which would make it more worth y of attention under the circumstances . I would add , at present that as yet I have not had the old Charter in my own hands ( which I

understand is in Monkish Latin ) , but have been writing hitherto on the faith of the English translation , — W . P . B . Sinee writing the above I have had our old Charter in my hand for a short time . It seems to have

suffered from fire or heat on the part outside when folded up . A great part of the Latin writing may be deciphered with ease ; but it is for the most part " folded out " at the folding . I find tha * - the English translation we have is incorrect . It contains an interpolation , and there are

also words in the Charter not in the translation . There is no number 3 after Malcolm's name , which is quite distinct . The seal has been lost . I cannot as yet make out anything about the date ; but more about it by-and-bye . I consider that the Charter is as much like a

forgery "executed since 1740 " as an old Scotch bank note , which has passed through a thousand hands , is like a crisp new Bank of England note . I shall have more to say again . Yours fraternally , W . P . BUCHAN .

M.W. Bro. Robert Morris At Liverpool.

M . W . BRO . ROBERT MORRIS AT LIVERPOOL .

TO IKE EDITOE Of THI ! PKEEMASONS MAGAZINE AND MASONIC IHEEOB . Dear Sir and Brother , —As I must needs pass so hastily through London to catch the Marseilles steamer of the 18 th that I cannot make even the briefest call upon you , I beg leave to drop into the post-office here this hasty effusion , in evidence that I am mindful of your excellent magazineeven at the

, hour when so many novelties crowd upon me and so many anxieties oppress me . My journey hither in the France has been an average one in duration , and , for the wintry season , smooth and pleasant . May I not hail this as an augury of good things to come ? I esteem myself fortunate in having secured for

myself as compagnon de voyage , through the entire of my Oriental journey , an old fellow-labourer , Mr . David W . Thomson , of Fulton City , Illinois , formerly the Masonic lecturer of his State , Deputy Grand Inspector General 33 ° A . and A . R ., and a singularly genial and pleasant gentleman . I hope that on our

return in July next I shall be privileged to introduce him to you . The only incident of our passage from New York that could in the least interest the readers of the

Magazine , was a little symposium of the Freemasons on board the France , held yesterday , at my suggestion . We " of the mystic level" stole quietly away from the crowd , and having previously tested each other by the ancient methods , opened an " Entered Apprentices Lodge" for the nonce . The names of our temporary dignitaries , and the entire of the

proceedings are thus chronicled in the records of the occasion : — " Records of a Moot Lodge , opened on the degree of Entered Apprentice , in the Purser ' s-room of the steamship France , Thursday , February 13 , 1868 , at 2 o ' clock p . m .:

—" Ol ? EICEIJ 3 AND MEMBEES PEESENT . " Robert Morris , late Grand Master of Kentucky , U . S . A ., & c , as Worshipful Master .

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SKETCHES OF NOTABLE MASONIC WORKS. Article 1
ROYAL ARCH AND SOME OTHER QUESTIONS. Article 2
Untitled Article 3
THE KNIGHTS TEMPLARS. Article 5
MASONIC NOTES AND QUTERIES. Article 7
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 7
M.W. BRO. ROBERT MORRIS AT LIVERPOOL. Article 10
AMERICAN FREEMASONRY. Article 11
ROYAL ARCH AND SOME OTHER QUESTIONS. Article 11
H.R.H. PRINCE SKANDERBEG. Article 12
IMPOSTORS. Article 12
MASONIC MEMS. Article 13
METROPOLITAN. Article 13
PROVINCIAL. Article 14
SCOTLAND. Article 15
TURKEY. Article 16
ROYAL ARCH. Article 16
MARK MASONRY. Article 17
Obituary. Article 17
DEATH OF BRO. ISAAC SMITH. Article 19
Poetry. Article 20
HER MAJESTY'S THEATRE AND BRO. S. MAY. Article 20
MEETINGS OF THE LEARNED SOCIETIES FOR THE WEEK ENDING FEBRUARY 29TH, 1868. Article 20
METROPOLITAN LODGE MEETINGS, ETC., FOR THE WEEK ENDING FEBRUARY 29TH , 1868. Article 20
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Correspondence.

( which had to be built first ) with a noble stone wall of Ashlar work , with bastion and tower , 1512 . Tenth . The Incorporation of Masons , with whom the lod ge has been connected since its chartering ) got a new charter from the magistrates of Glasgow , containing alteration of the fees , & c , 1551 .

_ Eleventh . Glasgow Cathedral saved from destruction at the Reformation by the craftsmen of Glasgow * about 1580 ; or , as I consider I may safely say , chiefly by the Masons , seeing that until 1600 the Wright Craft and most of the other crafts in Glasgow , " were all under the jurisdiction of the Masonic

Incorporation and Lodge . " Twelfth . Subscription of Masons of Glasgow to Wm . St . Clair ' s Charter , Bro . Boyd , Master , 1628 .

Thirteenth . Split amongst the brethren of St . John ' s Lodge , Glasgow , in regard to speculative Masonry , 1729 . Fourteenth . Lodge of Glasgow St . John joined the © rand Lodge of Scotland , 1850 . In Glasgow the St . John ' s Lodge has always found

what was necessary , both for its existence and fixture there , viz ., plenty of work . What between the building of the cathedral , the bishops houses and palaces , & c , also the other work required about the city , the St . John ' s Lodge would always have ( since its first foundation ) , from time immemorial , more or less brethren on the roll .

Tours fraternally , W . P . BUCHAN . P . S . —I see in your number of Feb . 15 th a letter from R . T . relative to our old Charter , in answer to which I would ask him to read Bro . D . Murray Lyon ' s article iu your number of Feb . Sthand also

, the above letter of mine , then let him read the Great Charter of Holyrood of David I ., wherein he will find the words , " Quadraginta solidos , uiginti solidos , " and " Decern libras " and after he has read these , I would ask him if he still persists in affirming that St . John ' s Charter ( whether given by Malcolm III . or IV ., and

making any necessary allowance for unintentional mistakes on the part of the translator ) " is an impudent forgery , executed since the year 1740 , and perhaps comparatively recently ? " As , if he informs us that he is still of the same opinion , we must try what special answer we can give himmore especiallif he

, y adds his name to his next communication , which would make it more worth y of attention under the circumstances . I would add , at present that as yet I have not had the old Charter in my own hands ( which I

understand is in Monkish Latin ) , but have been writing hitherto on the faith of the English translation , — W . P . B . Sinee writing the above I have had our old Charter in my hand for a short time . It seems to have

suffered from fire or heat on the part outside when folded up . A great part of the Latin writing may be deciphered with ease ; but it is for the most part " folded out " at the folding . I find tha * - the English translation we have is incorrect . It contains an interpolation , and there are

also words in the Charter not in the translation . There is no number 3 after Malcolm's name , which is quite distinct . The seal has been lost . I cannot as yet make out anything about the date ; but more about it by-and-bye . I consider that the Charter is as much like a

forgery "executed since 1740 " as an old Scotch bank note , which has passed through a thousand hands , is like a crisp new Bank of England note . I shall have more to say again . Yours fraternally , W . P . BUCHAN .

M.W. Bro. Robert Morris At Liverpool.

M . W . BRO . ROBERT MORRIS AT LIVERPOOL .

TO IKE EDITOE Of THI ! PKEEMASONS MAGAZINE AND MASONIC IHEEOB . Dear Sir and Brother , —As I must needs pass so hastily through London to catch the Marseilles steamer of the 18 th that I cannot make even the briefest call upon you , I beg leave to drop into the post-office here this hasty effusion , in evidence that I am mindful of your excellent magazineeven at the

, hour when so many novelties crowd upon me and so many anxieties oppress me . My journey hither in the France has been an average one in duration , and , for the wintry season , smooth and pleasant . May I not hail this as an augury of good things to come ? I esteem myself fortunate in having secured for

myself as compagnon de voyage , through the entire of my Oriental journey , an old fellow-labourer , Mr . David W . Thomson , of Fulton City , Illinois , formerly the Masonic lecturer of his State , Deputy Grand Inspector General 33 ° A . and A . R ., and a singularly genial and pleasant gentleman . I hope that on our

return in July next I shall be privileged to introduce him to you . The only incident of our passage from New York that could in the least interest the readers of the

Magazine , was a little symposium of the Freemasons on board the France , held yesterday , at my suggestion . We " of the mystic level" stole quietly away from the crowd , and having previously tested each other by the ancient methods , opened an " Entered Apprentices Lodge" for the nonce . The names of our temporary dignitaries , and the entire of the

proceedings are thus chronicled in the records of the occasion : — " Records of a Moot Lodge , opened on the degree of Entered Apprentice , in the Purser ' s-room of the steamship France , Thursday , February 13 , 1868 , at 2 o ' clock p . m .:

—" Ol ? EICEIJ 3 AND MEMBEES PEESENT . " Robert Morris , late Grand Master of Kentucky , U . S . A ., & c , as Worshipful Master .

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