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Correspondence.

I must refrain from encroaching further upon your space ; and , therefore , handing back to Bro . Melville his glove , I would , on behalf of myself and other Masonic students and readers of the Magazine , say to him—either write more sensibly and lucidly or not at all . Au rcxoir . Tours fraternally , W . P . BUCHAN .

Bro. Melville's Articles.

BRO . MELVILLE'S ARTICLES .

TO THE EDITOR OF TEE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIREOR . Dear Sir and Brother , —I must ask room for a few more words to exhibit another instance of the mis-statemeuts or mistakes of Bro . Melville as put forth in his paper , No . 6 , in your last number . I am not meditating auy reply to the marvellous

absurdities exhibited in that paper . Prize or Eriz , Eriga or Prig , may rest in peace as far as I am concerned , and so may the " only one crooked or bent sword in the heavens , that of Tyler ; the full blade of which the Masonic laws place with Eriga on Good Fridayor , to be minutel y correct , it is placed within one

degree of the Goddess . " " Can such things he , and overcome us like a summer cloud , without our special wonder ? " I have looked for a date to these papers in the vain hope of finding some clue to the place from AVhich they come , but have been disappointed , and cau only give a random guess . Is it Hanwell ?

or is it Eai'lswood ? The mistake which I wish to point out iu this last paper is so glaring , so conclusive as to the ignorance of Bro . Melville , or , at all events , some of the subjects of which he treats , that it requires but a very few words in contradiction . The statement is that

the Order of the Bath Avas derived from Masonry , and the proof given is that Companions of the Bath wear sashes pendant from their left shoulders and Companions of the Royal Arch do the same ! Again , Companions of the Bath wear stars ou their left breasts , and Companions of the Eoyal Arch wear a

double triangle on theirs ! Oh ! Jam satis ! I have only to say in reply to this sad rubbish that it is contrary to fact—that Companions of the Bath do not wear sashes pendant from their left shoulders , nor from any other part of their august persons ! There is no such thing , nor anything approaching to it , Avorn

by them at all ; and , as I happen to be oue of them myself , I suppose even Bro . Melville will admit I do not speak in ignorance , when I say so . Tours fraternally , SENEX . P . S . —One word in reply to Bro . Danum . He is quite right . Chap . 2 , v . 19 , of course . A lapsus pernios , I infer , either by printer or myself .

P.M.'S And The Working Brethren Of Lodges.

P . M . 'S AND THE WORKING BRETHREN OF LODGES .

TO THE ED 1 T 01 X OF THE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . Dear Sir and Brother , —I thought the correspondence on this question AVQS closed , but it seems to be revived in your number of this clay by " O . P ., " whose remarks require notice . I suspect that he has an advantage in knowing ivho I amwhereas

, , with respect to him , I am still iu ignorance , beyond au assurance that his Masonic position and knowledge are such as to entitle his opinion to respect , and having his own testimony to the same effect , I freely accord it to him .

I am quite aware that , as appointments are too often made , a brother Avhose Masonic powers and experience are very limited may be able to append a string of letters to his name , and I have repeatedly commented in your pages on the impropriety of giving rank to brethren who have not merited it by regular

attention to duties , by acquirement of the rituals , and b y study of the Constitutions of the Order . I never vote for brethren to take the chair of a lodge who are deficient in these respects . Therefore , I should not think of citing the opinions of such men as authorities ; indeed , iu referring to those whom I

have consulted , I said as much ; and thus " O . P . " has no right to insinuate to the contrarj ' . I can assure him that the brethren whose opinions I have sought do not belong to this class ; aud , in reply to the charge of partiality in preferring the conclusions of > J < B to hisI think I am safe in observing that

^ , I recognise the signature , aud that , if correct , I place great reliance on his judgment , as one of the most practical , skilful , thoughtful , ancl intelligent Masons I know . I ivas silent on Avhat " O . P . " terms the main

point of his letter , because it was of no use to repeat the remarks upon the subject , previously dealt with in my letter on page 270 , and 1 have in my possession documents from others expressing similar views . Permit me to add that I have not set at defiance any laws , as I have read them and appreciate their

object ; nor , I trust , have I shown any disrespect to my superiors . In this I am sure the R . W . the Prov , G . M . of Devon will bear me out ; for , though I know it to be the common practice , I have not repeated that to which he " called my attention , " a phrase with which he corrected my remarks on what I considered a censure . On the contrary , I have in vain endeavoured to ascertain his Avishes on several

matters , by puttiug definite questions to him for my guidance , in order that I may act on his replies , butsucceeding only on one point , wliich I ivill mention , especially as " O . P . " charges me Avith childishness . I agree AA'ith your correspondent as to his opinion of " the baby Avork of placing a second pedestal in front

of the AV . M . " This is not my proposal , but which I am told that I must adopt in this province , being compelled thereto by an authority ivhieh I am bound to obey ( notwithstanding the charge of defiance on my part ) , aud by the AV . M . of a lodge in which I have been called upon to render assistance . When

I inquired what I was to do in Avorking the installation ceremony , in place of the retiring Master whose duty it is , in any lodge in AA'hich I have not served as W . & ' L , I was informed by the same authority , that " two raised seats are usually prepared for such a ceremonial . " I can only say that I never saw such a provision made , nor is ' there one platform iua hundred on ivhieh there is sufficient space .

That the original object I had in view may not be forgotten , of wliich there appears a risk , allow me , in conclusion , to repeat that I have not claimed a right to preside in a lodge , of which I am not a l' . M ., in prededence of its own P . M . ' s , though a member of it , aud P . M . of other lodges ; but I feel that I may occupy that positionwithout impropriety , when

re-, quested to do so by the AV . M ., with the sanction of the I . P . M ., P . M . ' s , and Officers . In this view I am supported by the opinions of the Grand Registrar and Grand Secretary , conveyed to me in writing . Never-

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MASONIC CELESTIAL MYSTERIES. Article 1
CHIPS OF FOREIGN ASHLAR. Article 4
NUMBERS. Article 7
MASONIC NOTES AND QERIES. Article 10
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 12
BRO. MELVILLE'S ARTICLES. Article 13
P.M.'S AND THE WORKING BRETHREN OF LODGES. Article 13
BIBLICAL REFERENCES. Article 14
MASONIC CELESTIAL MYSTERIES. Article 14
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 14
ROYAL MASONIC INSTITUTION FOR GIRLS. Article 15
METROPOLITAN. Article 16
PROVINCIAL. Article 17
ROYAL ARCH. Article 17
MARK MASONRY. Article 17
KNIGHTS TEMPLAR. Article 18
ANCIENT AND ACCEPTED RITE. Article 19
Obituary. Article 19
MEETINGS OF THE LEARNED SOCIETIES. Article 20
LIST OF LODGE, &c., MEETINGS FOR WEEK ENDING 29TH MAY, 1869. Article 20
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Correspondence.

I must refrain from encroaching further upon your space ; and , therefore , handing back to Bro . Melville his glove , I would , on behalf of myself and other Masonic students and readers of the Magazine , say to him—either write more sensibly and lucidly or not at all . Au rcxoir . Tours fraternally , W . P . BUCHAN .

Bro. Melville's Articles.

BRO . MELVILLE'S ARTICLES .

TO THE EDITOR OF TEE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIREOR . Dear Sir and Brother , —I must ask room for a few more words to exhibit another instance of the mis-statemeuts or mistakes of Bro . Melville as put forth in his paper , No . 6 , in your last number . I am not meditating auy reply to the marvellous

absurdities exhibited in that paper . Prize or Eriz , Eriga or Prig , may rest in peace as far as I am concerned , and so may the " only one crooked or bent sword in the heavens , that of Tyler ; the full blade of which the Masonic laws place with Eriga on Good Fridayor , to be minutel y correct , it is placed within one

degree of the Goddess . " " Can such things he , and overcome us like a summer cloud , without our special wonder ? " I have looked for a date to these papers in the vain hope of finding some clue to the place from AVhich they come , but have been disappointed , and cau only give a random guess . Is it Hanwell ?

or is it Eai'lswood ? The mistake which I wish to point out iu this last paper is so glaring , so conclusive as to the ignorance of Bro . Melville , or , at all events , some of the subjects of which he treats , that it requires but a very few words in contradiction . The statement is that

the Order of the Bath Avas derived from Masonry , and the proof given is that Companions of the Bath wear sashes pendant from their left shoulders and Companions of the Royal Arch do the same ! Again , Companions of the Bath wear stars ou their left breasts , and Companions of the Eoyal Arch wear a

double triangle on theirs ! Oh ! Jam satis ! I have only to say in reply to this sad rubbish that it is contrary to fact—that Companions of the Bath do not wear sashes pendant from their left shoulders , nor from any other part of their august persons ! There is no such thing , nor anything approaching to it , Avorn

by them at all ; and , as I happen to be oue of them myself , I suppose even Bro . Melville will admit I do not speak in ignorance , when I say so . Tours fraternally , SENEX . P . S . —One word in reply to Bro . Danum . He is quite right . Chap . 2 , v . 19 , of course . A lapsus pernios , I infer , either by printer or myself .

P.M.'S And The Working Brethren Of Lodges.

P . M . 'S AND THE WORKING BRETHREN OF LODGES .

TO THE ED 1 T 01 X OF THE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . Dear Sir and Brother , —I thought the correspondence on this question AVQS closed , but it seems to be revived in your number of this clay by " O . P ., " whose remarks require notice . I suspect that he has an advantage in knowing ivho I amwhereas

, , with respect to him , I am still iu ignorance , beyond au assurance that his Masonic position and knowledge are such as to entitle his opinion to respect , and having his own testimony to the same effect , I freely accord it to him .

I am quite aware that , as appointments are too often made , a brother Avhose Masonic powers and experience are very limited may be able to append a string of letters to his name , and I have repeatedly commented in your pages on the impropriety of giving rank to brethren who have not merited it by regular

attention to duties , by acquirement of the rituals , and b y study of the Constitutions of the Order . I never vote for brethren to take the chair of a lodge who are deficient in these respects . Therefore , I should not think of citing the opinions of such men as authorities ; indeed , iu referring to those whom I

have consulted , I said as much ; and thus " O . P . " has no right to insinuate to the contrarj ' . I can assure him that the brethren whose opinions I have sought do not belong to this class ; aud , in reply to the charge of partiality in preferring the conclusions of > J < B to hisI think I am safe in observing that

^ , I recognise the signature , aud that , if correct , I place great reliance on his judgment , as one of the most practical , skilful , thoughtful , ancl intelligent Masons I know . I ivas silent on Avhat " O . P . " terms the main

point of his letter , because it was of no use to repeat the remarks upon the subject , previously dealt with in my letter on page 270 , and 1 have in my possession documents from others expressing similar views . Permit me to add that I have not set at defiance any laws , as I have read them and appreciate their

object ; nor , I trust , have I shown any disrespect to my superiors . In this I am sure the R . W . the Prov , G . M . of Devon will bear me out ; for , though I know it to be the common practice , I have not repeated that to which he " called my attention , " a phrase with which he corrected my remarks on what I considered a censure . On the contrary , I have in vain endeavoured to ascertain his Avishes on several

matters , by puttiug definite questions to him for my guidance , in order that I may act on his replies , butsucceeding only on one point , wliich I ivill mention , especially as " O . P . " charges me Avith childishness . I agree AA'ith your correspondent as to his opinion of " the baby Avork of placing a second pedestal in front

of the AV . M . " This is not my proposal , but which I am told that I must adopt in this province , being compelled thereto by an authority ivhieh I am bound to obey ( notwithstanding the charge of defiance on my part ) , aud by the AV . M . of a lodge in which I have been called upon to render assistance . When

I inquired what I was to do in Avorking the installation ceremony , in place of the retiring Master whose duty it is , in any lodge in AA'hich I have not served as W . & ' L , I was informed by the same authority , that " two raised seats are usually prepared for such a ceremonial . " I can only say that I never saw such a provision made , nor is ' there one platform iua hundred on ivhieh there is sufficient space .

That the original object I had in view may not be forgotten , of wliich there appears a risk , allow me , in conclusion , to repeat that I have not claimed a right to preside in a lodge , of which I am not a l' . M ., in prededence of its own P . M . ' s , though a member of it , aud P . M . of other lodges ; but I feel that I may occupy that positionwithout impropriety , when

re-, quested to do so by the AV . M ., with the sanction of the I . P . M ., P . M . ' s , and Officers . In this view I am supported by the opinions of the Grand Registrar and Grand Secretary , conveyed to me in writing . Never-

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