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Masonic Notes And Queries.

IRISH 1 LAS 0 NIC EE 3 IALE ORPHAN SCHOOL . When was the Irish Masonic Girl ' s School founded ? —A . V . P . or THE ENGLISH SCHOOL . —[ In 1795 . Its title is the Irish Masonic Female Orphan School . In 1851 the school was removed to a commodious house , built at Burlington-place , Upper Baggot-street , on a plot of ground leased , to the Governors , by the late Lord

Herbert of Lea , at ; a nominal rent . It was commenced in February and opened in the first week of the following-September . On the 9 th of October , Her Excellency , Ihe Countess of Eglinton , paid it a visit and expressed her high satisfaction at the beauty and cheerful appearance of the children , as well as the excellent general arrangement of the Institution . On the previous 28 th

of April a Grand Masonic Ball was given at the Rotunda , Dublin , which was attended by tho Lord Lieutenant and the Countess of Eglinton , in state , and by all the leading nobility and gentry : the surplus proceeds arising from it were appi-opriated by the Grand Lodge of Ireland towards the building of the school . ]

Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

The Editor is not responsible for the opinions expressed by Correspondents . KNIGHTS TEMPLAE . TO THE EDITOK OP THE FREEMASONS MAGAZINE AND MASONIC AlIEHOR . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —I have observed that several correspondents of TIIE FREEMASON S ' . 'MAGAZINE are in doubt as to the exact position which Bro . Dunckerley held as Grand Master of the

Order of Knights Templar in England , and as I am in possession of many old documents connected with the warrant still in this lodge , I venture to annex a copy of an original letter from Bro . Dunckerley , in answer to a letter from the encampment ( which was then held at York ) , desiring to be received under the Grand Conclave , which he had formed or was forming . I am , yours fraternally , THE SEC . OF MINERVA LODGE ( No . 311 ) .

"Hampton Court Palace , March 22 , 1791 . "Most Excellent and Exalted Knights Companions of the Encampment of Redemption ( being No . 5 of England ) , held at the Golden Lion Inn , in the City of York . " I accept with gratitude the confidence you place in me as Grand Master , by the will of God , of the Most Noble and Exalted , Religious and Military Order of Masonic Kni

ghts Templar of St . John of Jerusalem . I must request that as soon as possible you send to me the names , ages , profession , and residence of all the knights of your encampment , as I intend to have a regular register of our Order . Being Grand Superintendent of Royal Arch Masons at Bristol , I was requested by tho Knights Templar of that city ( who have had an encampment from time immemorialto

) accept the office of Grand Master , which I had no sooner complied with , than petitions were sent to me for the same purpose from London , Bath , the first regiment of Dragoon Guards , Colchester , York , Dorchester , and Bidefbrd . "I suppose there are many more encampments in England which , with God ' s permission , I may have the iness to

happ receive and assist . It has already been attended with a blessing , for I have been but two months Grand Master , and have already eight encampments under my care- I shall form a few statutes for regulating our Order as soon as I have appointed the Grand Officers of the Grand Encampment of all England , to be held on the 2-lth of June , annually , at London " The submit

following I to your consideration : — " 'That every regular Encampment be constituted by wax-rant , signed by the Grand Master , and witnessed by the Grand Scribe , for which one guinea is to be paid—10 s . 6 cZ . for furnishing robes for the Grand Master , 10 s . 6 d . for engrossing the warrant . ' " ' That every knight pay five shillings , for which he

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will receive a certificate , signed by the second Grand Scribe , of his being registered in the Grand Chapter . ' "' That no knight be installed for a less sum than one guinea for the use of that encampment , and five shillings for his certificate from the Grand Chapter . ' "I have given No . 5 to your encampment , though Dorchester and Bideford petitioned previous to your

application ; but as no dispensations or warrants are yet made out , I shew every preference in my power to the second city in the kingdom . If these regulations meet with your approbation , signify the same to me as soon as convenient , and I will send you a dispensation till the warrant is made out . —Your most affectionate Comp ., "THOS . DUNCKERLET . "

Royal Arch.

ROYAL ARCH .

-EO 1 HE "ECHOR OTJ THE TREKiXASOH ' S MAGAZINE AND MASONIC 3 IUtEOK . DEAN SIR AND BROTHER , —An answer to a correspondent in your last week ' s MAGAZINE , recalled my attention to a subject concerning which I have for some time past intended addressing you . I refer to the reply as to the fee for taking the Royal Arch degree in Freemasonry . Previously to my initiation I purchased the Booh of

Constitutions , in the preamble of which I found it laid down that " pure ancient Masonry consists of three degrees and no more , viz ., those of the E . A ., the F . O ., and the Master Mason , including tho S'upreme Order of the Holy Eoyal Arch . " Having ascertained what fee I should have to pay for initiation , I enquired how far that fee would meand was told to the degree of a Master Mason

carry , . "Was it unnatural to suppose that without additional expense I should be entitled to all that was included in the Master Mason ' s degree ? I must confess that I was deeply disappointed . when having taken the third degree , I ascertained , that before 1 could attain to that , which by the statute book of the Order I had been informed was

included in it , I must not only go through a fresh ceremonial of being proposed , & c , but must actually pay an additional fee of at least three guineas , and I know very many who have experienced similar disappointment . Had I been told that I must make myself perfectly proficient in the degrees already conferred , before arriving at their consummation , I shoidd have felt neither surprise

or disappointment , after having read that promotion was to go by merit . But the finding that money was an all powerful and all needful element of success in tho Masonic science , caused somewhat of a chill to my ardent aspirations . I think one of two alternatives should be adopted , either the farce of stating that the Royal Arch is included in the Master Mason ' s degree should , be

discontinued , or the statement verified in actual practice . I would make the following suggestions , not as . likely to have the slightest weight coming from so insignificant a source , but as embodying my own views on the subject . The Royal Arch should actually and practically be included in the third degree , and should be conferred on all M . M . s who have attained a certain prescribed

proficiency in the former degrees , and the degree should be worked in every lodge under the English Constitution . The Arch degree should be the passport to the chair , insteadof the chair to the Arch , as in Scotland and Ireland . If this were the case , and a bond fide examination in proficiency had to be undergone before the Supreme degree was conferredwe should have fewer instances of WM ' s

, .. of lodges being unable to fulfil their duties in propria persona , as is now too often the case ; nor does it seem unreasonable or inappropriate that he who sits in Solomon ' s seat , should be possessed of that knowledge which was the necessary consequence of the G . M . holding that exalted position . I do not see how a single landmark would be infringed bthe adoption of the course which I have

y suggested , and it appears to me thai much unnecessary - expense and complication would be avoided . I am , dear Sir and brother , yours fraternally , 17 th November , 1862 . EXCELSIOE .

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THE EARLY GRAND IN SCOTLAND. Article 1
THE THREATENED SECESSION FROM THE SUPREME GRAND ROYAL ARCH CHAPTER OF SCOTLAND.—No. VIII . Article 2
MASONIC JOTTINGS FROM ABROAD. Article 2
THE PYTHAGOREAN TRIANGLE.* Article 3
ANCIENT RINGS. Article 5
ARCHITECTORAL REVIEW OF THE YEAR. Article 7
REVIEWS. Article 10
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 12
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 13
ROYAL ARCH. Article 13
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 14
GRAND LODGE. Article 14
METROPOLITAN. Article 14
PROVINCIAL. Article 14
LEICESTERSHIRE. Article 15
IRELAND. Article 17
ROYAL ARCH. Article 17
MARK MASONRY. Article 17
Obituary. Article 18
Poetry. Article 18
THE WEEK. Article 18
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Masonic Notes And Queries.

IRISH 1 LAS 0 NIC EE 3 IALE ORPHAN SCHOOL . When was the Irish Masonic Girl ' s School founded ? —A . V . P . or THE ENGLISH SCHOOL . —[ In 1795 . Its title is the Irish Masonic Female Orphan School . In 1851 the school was removed to a commodious house , built at Burlington-place , Upper Baggot-street , on a plot of ground leased , to the Governors , by the late Lord

Herbert of Lea , at ; a nominal rent . It was commenced in February and opened in the first week of the following-September . On the 9 th of October , Her Excellency , Ihe Countess of Eglinton , paid it a visit and expressed her high satisfaction at the beauty and cheerful appearance of the children , as well as the excellent general arrangement of the Institution . On the previous 28 th

of April a Grand Masonic Ball was given at the Rotunda , Dublin , which was attended by tho Lord Lieutenant and the Countess of Eglinton , in state , and by all the leading nobility and gentry : the surplus proceeds arising from it were appi-opriated by the Grand Lodge of Ireland towards the building of the school . ]

Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

The Editor is not responsible for the opinions expressed by Correspondents . KNIGHTS TEMPLAE . TO THE EDITOK OP THE FREEMASONS MAGAZINE AND MASONIC AlIEHOR . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —I have observed that several correspondents of TIIE FREEMASON S ' . 'MAGAZINE are in doubt as to the exact position which Bro . Dunckerley held as Grand Master of the

Order of Knights Templar in England , and as I am in possession of many old documents connected with the warrant still in this lodge , I venture to annex a copy of an original letter from Bro . Dunckerley , in answer to a letter from the encampment ( which was then held at York ) , desiring to be received under the Grand Conclave , which he had formed or was forming . I am , yours fraternally , THE SEC . OF MINERVA LODGE ( No . 311 ) .

"Hampton Court Palace , March 22 , 1791 . "Most Excellent and Exalted Knights Companions of the Encampment of Redemption ( being No . 5 of England ) , held at the Golden Lion Inn , in the City of York . " I accept with gratitude the confidence you place in me as Grand Master , by the will of God , of the Most Noble and Exalted , Religious and Military Order of Masonic Kni

ghts Templar of St . John of Jerusalem . I must request that as soon as possible you send to me the names , ages , profession , and residence of all the knights of your encampment , as I intend to have a regular register of our Order . Being Grand Superintendent of Royal Arch Masons at Bristol , I was requested by tho Knights Templar of that city ( who have had an encampment from time immemorialto

) accept the office of Grand Master , which I had no sooner complied with , than petitions were sent to me for the same purpose from London , Bath , the first regiment of Dragoon Guards , Colchester , York , Dorchester , and Bidefbrd . "I suppose there are many more encampments in England which , with God ' s permission , I may have the iness to

happ receive and assist . It has already been attended with a blessing , for I have been but two months Grand Master , and have already eight encampments under my care- I shall form a few statutes for regulating our Order as soon as I have appointed the Grand Officers of the Grand Encampment of all England , to be held on the 2-lth of June , annually , at London " The submit

following I to your consideration : — " 'That every regular Encampment be constituted by wax-rant , signed by the Grand Master , and witnessed by the Grand Scribe , for which one guinea is to be paid—10 s . 6 cZ . for furnishing robes for the Grand Master , 10 s . 6 d . for engrossing the warrant . ' " ' That every knight pay five shillings , for which he

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will receive a certificate , signed by the second Grand Scribe , of his being registered in the Grand Chapter . ' "' That no knight be installed for a less sum than one guinea for the use of that encampment , and five shillings for his certificate from the Grand Chapter . ' "I have given No . 5 to your encampment , though Dorchester and Bideford petitioned previous to your

application ; but as no dispensations or warrants are yet made out , I shew every preference in my power to the second city in the kingdom . If these regulations meet with your approbation , signify the same to me as soon as convenient , and I will send you a dispensation till the warrant is made out . —Your most affectionate Comp ., "THOS . DUNCKERLET . "

Royal Arch.

ROYAL ARCH .

-EO 1 HE "ECHOR OTJ THE TREKiXASOH ' S MAGAZINE AND MASONIC 3 IUtEOK . DEAN SIR AND BROTHER , —An answer to a correspondent in your last week ' s MAGAZINE , recalled my attention to a subject concerning which I have for some time past intended addressing you . I refer to the reply as to the fee for taking the Royal Arch degree in Freemasonry . Previously to my initiation I purchased the Booh of

Constitutions , in the preamble of which I found it laid down that " pure ancient Masonry consists of three degrees and no more , viz ., those of the E . A ., the F . O ., and the Master Mason , including tho S'upreme Order of the Holy Eoyal Arch . " Having ascertained what fee I should have to pay for initiation , I enquired how far that fee would meand was told to the degree of a Master Mason

carry , . "Was it unnatural to suppose that without additional expense I should be entitled to all that was included in the Master Mason ' s degree ? I must confess that I was deeply disappointed . when having taken the third degree , I ascertained , that before 1 could attain to that , which by the statute book of the Order I had been informed was

included in it , I must not only go through a fresh ceremonial of being proposed , & c , but must actually pay an additional fee of at least three guineas , and I know very many who have experienced similar disappointment . Had I been told that I must make myself perfectly proficient in the degrees already conferred , before arriving at their consummation , I shoidd have felt neither surprise

or disappointment , after having read that promotion was to go by merit . But the finding that money was an all powerful and all needful element of success in tho Masonic science , caused somewhat of a chill to my ardent aspirations . I think one of two alternatives should be adopted , either the farce of stating that the Royal Arch is included in the Master Mason ' s degree should , be

discontinued , or the statement verified in actual practice . I would make the following suggestions , not as . likely to have the slightest weight coming from so insignificant a source , but as embodying my own views on the subject . The Royal Arch should actually and practically be included in the third degree , and should be conferred on all M . M . s who have attained a certain prescribed

proficiency in the former degrees , and the degree should be worked in every lodge under the English Constitution . The Arch degree should be the passport to the chair , insteadof the chair to the Arch , as in Scotland and Ireland . If this were the case , and a bond fide examination in proficiency had to be undergone before the Supreme degree was conferredwe should have fewer instances of WM ' s

, .. of lodges being unable to fulfil their duties in propria persona , as is now too often the case ; nor does it seem unreasonable or inappropriate that he who sits in Solomon ' s seat , should be possessed of that knowledge which was the necessary consequence of the G . M . holding that exalted position . I do not see how a single landmark would be infringed bthe adoption of the course which I have

y suggested , and it appears to me thai much unnecessary - expense and complication would be avoided . I am , dear Sir and brother , yours fraternally , 17 th November , 1862 . EXCELSIOE .

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