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Masonic Notes And Qeries.

MASONIC NOTES AND QERIES .

1 IST OF ANCIENT IiODGES . I note this , that , up to 1765 , all the English lodges have public-house designations , and the foreign lodges alone have symbolic titles . It would appear the practise of giving symbolic titles came from the Continent . The old English

titles that appear now to be symbolic , are , after all , only tavern titles . I observe very few American lodges , and I therefore suspect that lodges established try Provincial Grand Masters were not entered on the Grand Lodge rolls in all cases . It is , howeverto be noted that the

, York Grand Lodge supplied many warrants for America . In the last part of the list there are two lodges in Honduras . A significant circumstance with reference to the relations with the Grand Orient of Holland , is that

two warrants were granted for lodges in Amsterdam so late as 1762 . A lodge founded in 1761 is called "Eight Lodge at Calcutta . Lodges are referred to as held in private rooms . In 1762 a warrant was granted for a naval lodge on board H . M . shi p Prince , at Plymouth . —NOTA .

MASONIC I . AXITY ( p . 42 ) . " Crux " makes some very good remarks on Masonic talk before waiters . I have heard ceremonial discussed . —M . M . DISCREPANCIES IN THE RITUAL . The " discrepancies" in the practise of the

ritual pointed out so ably by " Crux , " arise from want of a comprehensive knowledge of Masonic subjects . Some of the dicta of Freemasons' Hall have been most absurd , and have made confusion worse confused . Many of the blunders are on authority . The late Bro . White is responsible for many , and he had no

qualification for being a shining light . The late Bro . Bro . Gray Clarke found himself made into an authority before he had learned much of Masonry , for his Masonic career , prior to his being appointed Secretary , was not such as to give him any experience or enable him to expound Masonic law . —J . H .

The remed y for these is the constitution of a Board of Rites , but it would' be composed of the most ignorant members elected by Grand Lodge , or the most self sufficient members of some degree named by the M / W . G . M . "Crux" will do material good to the Order by ventilating the subject . —AN OBSERYANT

BEABEE . STARS , & c , IN MASONEY ( pp . 10 and 31 ) . I have no knowledge of stars and other symbols borrowed from the firmament being incorporated with , or used in , Ereemasonry previous to last

century . As I am not well posted up in the history of Eriga-Masonry , 1 am unable to say when that illustrious fraternit y first established fellowship with the starry firmament or dabbled in Masonic Celestial matters ^ ; but , perhaps , Bro . Melville may oblige by elucidating that small point ?—W . P . BUCHAN .

Masonic Notes And Qeries.

FOREIGN CEREMONIES . I put it to you whether your very zealous correspondent should enter into such particulars as he does with regard to foreign ceremonies , preparations , & c He may consider Erench Masons fair game , whether they happen to have retained the ancient

ceremonial or altered it ; but what would he think of a Frenchman going to Freemasons' Hall , seeing our ceremony for the first time , and giving a full account of it , showing how it differs from his standard ? It is very possible to do a large amount of harm in this way , not in satisfying idle curiosity , but in satisfying the enemies of our continental brethren by supplying them with what they will call authentic information .. —A MASON .

Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

The Editor is not responsible for the opinions expressed by

Correspondents-KING CHARLES .

TO THE EJHTOB OE THE FBEEJTASOIfS 2 HAGAZCTE . AJTD MASONIC MIBBOB . Dear Sir and Brother , —In your number 512 , page 332 , it says , — " The Romans burnt the books of tho Jews , of the Christians , and of the Philosophers ; the Jews burnt the books of the Christians and Pagans ; the Christians burnt the boobs of the Pagans and Jews & c . "

, Before 1 refer to the destruction of books , let me set at rest , as far as I am concerned , the decollation of Charles I . I have been abused by some writers for publishing titles of books which certified that the eveut occurred in 1648 . A reference to Hansard ' s Parliamentary Debates , Vol . 3 ., will probably silence

the doubt j it is an extract from the warrant for the execution of the King , which commences : — At the high Court of Justice for the trying and judging of Charles Stuart , King of England , January 29 , Anno Domini , 1648 . The execution , it will be admitted , took place the

next day , 30 Jan ., 1648 . I will explain how it has been made to appear that Charles was beheaded in 1649 , Jan . 30 ; but , be it strictly understood , that in doing so I merely follow iugenious Jesuitical authors , who after 1642 gave false interpretations to the mysteries connected with Carolus . In the first place , it will be desirable to consult the interest of the Act passed- in 1751 altering the style : —

"Whereas the legal supputation of the year of our Lord beginning on the 25 th March is inconvenient , not only as it differs from the usage of neighbouring nations , but also from the legal method of Scotland , and from the common usage throughout the whole kingdom , causing mistakes , & c . That , instead of the year beginning in March , it shall for the future begin in January , & c . And

whereas the Julian Calendar now in use has been discovered to be erroneous by means whereof the vernal or spring equinox , which at the time of the Council of Nice in A . D . 325 , happened on or about the 21 st day of March , now happens on the 9 th or 10 th of the same month , and the error is still increasing , and , if not remediedwould in of time occasion the equinoxes and

, process solstices to fall at very different times to what they ought to do , & c , and whereas a remedy is advisable . Be it enacted that , in 1752 , the 2 nd of September shall be followed next by the 14 th of September , and consequently the 9 th of March be followed next by the 21 st

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THE GRAND LODGE OF ENGLAND AND THE GRAND MASONIC BODY OF FRANCE. Article 1
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BURGH RECORDS.—No. 4. Article 7
MASONIC NOTES AND QERIES. Article 9
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 9
MARK MASONRY AND THE GRAND MARK LODGE OFFICIALS. Article 11
BRO. MELVILLE'S DISCOVERIES. Article 11
POSITION AS A CRAFTSMAN. Article 11
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LODGE OF BENEVOLENCE. Article 12
ROYAL MASONIC BENEVOLENT INSTITUTION. Article 12
ROYAL MASONIC INSTITUTION FOR BOYS, WOOD GREEN. Article 12
METROPOLITAN. Article 17
PROVINCIAL. Article 18
IRELAND. Article 18
ROYAL ARCH. Article 19
KNIGHTS TEMPLAR. Article 19
Obituary. Article 19
LIST OF LODGE, &c., MEETINGS FOR WEEK ENDING 31ST JULY, 1869. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Masonic Notes And Qeries.

MASONIC NOTES AND QERIES .

1 IST OF ANCIENT IiODGES . I note this , that , up to 1765 , all the English lodges have public-house designations , and the foreign lodges alone have symbolic titles . It would appear the practise of giving symbolic titles came from the Continent . The old English

titles that appear now to be symbolic , are , after all , only tavern titles . I observe very few American lodges , and I therefore suspect that lodges established try Provincial Grand Masters were not entered on the Grand Lodge rolls in all cases . It is , howeverto be noted that the

, York Grand Lodge supplied many warrants for America . In the last part of the list there are two lodges in Honduras . A significant circumstance with reference to the relations with the Grand Orient of Holland , is that

two warrants were granted for lodges in Amsterdam so late as 1762 . A lodge founded in 1761 is called "Eight Lodge at Calcutta . Lodges are referred to as held in private rooms . In 1762 a warrant was granted for a naval lodge on board H . M . shi p Prince , at Plymouth . —NOTA .

MASONIC I . AXITY ( p . 42 ) . " Crux " makes some very good remarks on Masonic talk before waiters . I have heard ceremonial discussed . —M . M . DISCREPANCIES IN THE RITUAL . The " discrepancies" in the practise of the

ritual pointed out so ably by " Crux , " arise from want of a comprehensive knowledge of Masonic subjects . Some of the dicta of Freemasons' Hall have been most absurd , and have made confusion worse confused . Many of the blunders are on authority . The late Bro . White is responsible for many , and he had no

qualification for being a shining light . The late Bro . Bro . Gray Clarke found himself made into an authority before he had learned much of Masonry , for his Masonic career , prior to his being appointed Secretary , was not such as to give him any experience or enable him to expound Masonic law . —J . H .

The remed y for these is the constitution of a Board of Rites , but it would' be composed of the most ignorant members elected by Grand Lodge , or the most self sufficient members of some degree named by the M / W . G . M . "Crux" will do material good to the Order by ventilating the subject . —AN OBSERYANT

BEABEE . STARS , & c , IN MASONEY ( pp . 10 and 31 ) . I have no knowledge of stars and other symbols borrowed from the firmament being incorporated with , or used in , Ereemasonry previous to last

century . As I am not well posted up in the history of Eriga-Masonry , 1 am unable to say when that illustrious fraternit y first established fellowship with the starry firmament or dabbled in Masonic Celestial matters ^ ; but , perhaps , Bro . Melville may oblige by elucidating that small point ?—W . P . BUCHAN .

Masonic Notes And Qeries.

FOREIGN CEREMONIES . I put it to you whether your very zealous correspondent should enter into such particulars as he does with regard to foreign ceremonies , preparations , & c He may consider Erench Masons fair game , whether they happen to have retained the ancient

ceremonial or altered it ; but what would he think of a Frenchman going to Freemasons' Hall , seeing our ceremony for the first time , and giving a full account of it , showing how it differs from his standard ? It is very possible to do a large amount of harm in this way , not in satisfying idle curiosity , but in satisfying the enemies of our continental brethren by supplying them with what they will call authentic information .. —A MASON .

Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

The Editor is not responsible for the opinions expressed by

Correspondents-KING CHARLES .

TO THE EJHTOB OE THE FBEEJTASOIfS 2 HAGAZCTE . AJTD MASONIC MIBBOB . Dear Sir and Brother , —In your number 512 , page 332 , it says , — " The Romans burnt the books of tho Jews , of the Christians , and of the Philosophers ; the Jews burnt the books of the Christians and Pagans ; the Christians burnt the boobs of the Pagans and Jews & c . "

, Before 1 refer to the destruction of books , let me set at rest , as far as I am concerned , the decollation of Charles I . I have been abused by some writers for publishing titles of books which certified that the eveut occurred in 1648 . A reference to Hansard ' s Parliamentary Debates , Vol . 3 ., will probably silence

the doubt j it is an extract from the warrant for the execution of the King , which commences : — At the high Court of Justice for the trying and judging of Charles Stuart , King of England , January 29 , Anno Domini , 1648 . The execution , it will be admitted , took place the

next day , 30 Jan ., 1648 . I will explain how it has been made to appear that Charles was beheaded in 1649 , Jan . 30 ; but , be it strictly understood , that in doing so I merely follow iugenious Jesuitical authors , who after 1642 gave false interpretations to the mysteries connected with Carolus . In the first place , it will be desirable to consult the interest of the Act passed- in 1751 altering the style : —

"Whereas the legal supputation of the year of our Lord beginning on the 25 th March is inconvenient , not only as it differs from the usage of neighbouring nations , but also from the legal method of Scotland , and from the common usage throughout the whole kingdom , causing mistakes , & c . That , instead of the year beginning in March , it shall for the future begin in January , & c . And

whereas the Julian Calendar now in use has been discovered to be erroneous by means whereof the vernal or spring equinox , which at the time of the Council of Nice in A . D . 325 , happened on or about the 21 st day of March , now happens on the 9 th or 10 th of the same month , and the error is still increasing , and , if not remediedwould in of time occasion the equinoxes and

, process solstices to fall at very different times to what they ought to do , & c , and whereas a remedy is advisable . Be it enacted that , in 1752 , the 2 nd of September shall be followed next by the 14 th of September , and consequently the 9 th of March be followed next by the 21 st

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