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( Contents . PAGE . Old Freemasonry before Grand Lodge—By Bro . Hyde Clarke ... 241 Brabmo Somaj—By Indophalus 242 Masonic Discipline—By Crux 243 The Haughfoot Lodge and Speculative Masonry 245 Masonic Ramblings—By Rcitam 246 ChiofForeigu Ashlar—By J . A . H . 248

ps Burgh Records—By Bro . W . P . Buchan 250 Masonic Notes and Queries 251 Correspondence 253 Masonic Mems 254 CEAPT LODGE MEETINGS : — Metropolitan 254 Provincial 255 Ireland 258

Mark Masonry 258 Boyal Order of Scotland 25 S Reviews 258 Obituary 259 Poetry 259 List of Lodge , & c , Meetings for ensuing week 260 To Correspondents 260

Old Freemasonry Before Grand Lodge.

OLD FREEMASONRY BEFORE GRAND LODGE .

LONDON , SATURDAY , SEPTEMBER 25 , 1869 .

By Bro . HYDE CLARKE , P . D . D . G . M . for Turkey .

The difficulty ive Lave as to Freemasonry before 1717 is not only that we have very few materials , but that we cannot connect those materials so as to arrive at some compact notion of what was the general state of affairs . Pew real inquirers

suppose that in 1660 ., for instance , the first , second , and third degrees will be found as they are now , but the best informed inquirers have been baffled in tracing back those degrees satisfactorily . We know changes took place in 1717 , and for anything we know changes quite as material may have taken place previously .

Bro . Youn ghusba . nd , who has devoted some learning and attention to Freemasonry , has lately acquired a MS ., which in the present state of such investigations by Bros . Hughan , Buchan , & c , is worthy of attention . The conventional phrase for

a M . S . in such a case is the " valuable , " or " very valuable MS . " of Bro . Younghusband . Now the MS . of Bro . Younghusband is a very miserable MS . —fragmentary , mutilated—the bungling copy of an illiterate scribe , most likely not earlier than

the beginning of the last century , ranging between 1720 and 1740 . It is , however , its miserabla character which has most likely saved it , for the anti quary of the last century would not be tempted by such trashand the zealous Masonafraid of

, , revelation , may have looked upon it as an idle scrawl , not dangerous . It has most likely only been saved by a country Mason as a writing relating to Masonry , and has , perhaps , never been

read for a century , in fact until of late years it would not meet with any attention , for it has very little apparent reference to what is now understood as Freemasonry . It is not a document got up to sell , as

something very ancient , but is the copy of some illtrained person from an original , and most likely the copy of successive copies . What shows this well enou . p-h are the references to tlie Bible in

Latin , and to Euclid , ancl other points , making the period before the Reformation . It is not , however , to be understood that the whole matter is strictly ancient . Bro . Younghusband proposes to read the MS .,

with some notes , before the Masonic Arcbteological Institute in the next session , and it may be of interest to Masonic inquirers to know what are some of the suggestions which arise from the perusal of this document . 1 say suggestions ,

because in the present state of our knowledge we cannot safely offer definite conclusions , and for my own part my remarks arise from only a cursory perusal of the MS . The MS ., it will be seen , forms part of the

chain from the MS . of J . O . Halliwell , and Bro . Matthew Cooke to our present ritual and organisation , and connecting the records given in the pages of the FKEEJIASONS' MAGAZINE by Bros . Hughan , Buchan , & c , and notably with the records of the Haughfoot Lodge in the last number , page 222 .

It suggests that the ritual of thc third degree is older than 1717 , but then these other points arise . It is quite open to admit that the present third degree is the old second degree , and what is new is the ritual of the second degree . The ritual

of the third degree is peculiar , ancl suggestive of its containing- matter from the old body of Masonry . That of the second degree , however , may be new ; it is cut short , and is just the kind of imperfect development from splitting one

degree into two , bringing forth twins , with imperfect nourishment for one . One of the . most ancient portions of the ritual of the third degree does not belong to that degree at all , but to the second or third .

" Good repute" appears to be , as might be conceived , a modern substitute , and the phrase was " Good fame ancl name . '" The external examination outside the door of the lodge must have been more extensive and more

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OLD FREEMASONRY BEFORE GRAND LODGE. Article 1
BRAHMO SOMAJ. Article 2
MASONIC DISCIPLINE.—XXI. Article 3
THE HAUGHFOOT LODGE AND SPECULATIVE MASONRY. Article 5
MASONIC RAMBLINGS. Article 6
CHIPS OF FOREIGN ASHLAR. Article 8
BURGH RECORDS. —No. 6. Article 10
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 11
APATHY IN OUR ORDER. Article 13
Untitled Article 14
MASONIC MEMS, Article 14
METROPOLITAN. Article 14
PROVINCIAL. Article 15
IRELAND. Article 18
MARK MASONRY. Article 18
ROYAL ORDER OF SCOTLAND. Article 18
REVIEWS. Article 18
Obituary. Article 19
THE LATE BRO. GEORGE AWCOCK, OF BRIGHTON. Article 19
Poetry. Article 19
THE DYING ISRAELITE TO THE DEITY. Article 19
LIST OF LODGE, &c., MEETINGS FOR WEEK ENDING 2ND OCTOBER, 1869. Article 20
METROPOLITAN LODGES AND CHAPTERS OF INSTRUCTION. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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( Contents . PAGE . Old Freemasonry before Grand Lodge—By Bro . Hyde Clarke ... 241 Brabmo Somaj—By Indophalus 242 Masonic Discipline—By Crux 243 The Haughfoot Lodge and Speculative Masonry 245 Masonic Ramblings—By Rcitam 246 ChiofForeigu Ashlar—By J . A . H . 248

ps Burgh Records—By Bro . W . P . Buchan 250 Masonic Notes and Queries 251 Correspondence 253 Masonic Mems 254 CEAPT LODGE MEETINGS : — Metropolitan 254 Provincial 255 Ireland 258

Mark Masonry 258 Boyal Order of Scotland 25 S Reviews 258 Obituary 259 Poetry 259 List of Lodge , & c , Meetings for ensuing week 260 To Correspondents 260

Old Freemasonry Before Grand Lodge.

OLD FREEMASONRY BEFORE GRAND LODGE .

LONDON , SATURDAY , SEPTEMBER 25 , 1869 .

By Bro . HYDE CLARKE , P . D . D . G . M . for Turkey .

The difficulty ive Lave as to Freemasonry before 1717 is not only that we have very few materials , but that we cannot connect those materials so as to arrive at some compact notion of what was the general state of affairs . Pew real inquirers

suppose that in 1660 ., for instance , the first , second , and third degrees will be found as they are now , but the best informed inquirers have been baffled in tracing back those degrees satisfactorily . We know changes took place in 1717 , and for anything we know changes quite as material may have taken place previously .

Bro . Youn ghusba . nd , who has devoted some learning and attention to Freemasonry , has lately acquired a MS ., which in the present state of such investigations by Bros . Hughan , Buchan , & c , is worthy of attention . The conventional phrase for

a M . S . in such a case is the " valuable , " or " very valuable MS . " of Bro . Younghusband . Now the MS . of Bro . Younghusband is a very miserable MS . —fragmentary , mutilated—the bungling copy of an illiterate scribe , most likely not earlier than

the beginning of the last century , ranging between 1720 and 1740 . It is , however , its miserabla character which has most likely saved it , for the anti quary of the last century would not be tempted by such trashand the zealous Masonafraid of

, , revelation , may have looked upon it as an idle scrawl , not dangerous . It has most likely only been saved by a country Mason as a writing relating to Masonry , and has , perhaps , never been

read for a century , in fact until of late years it would not meet with any attention , for it has very little apparent reference to what is now understood as Freemasonry . It is not a document got up to sell , as

something very ancient , but is the copy of some illtrained person from an original , and most likely the copy of successive copies . What shows this well enou . p-h are the references to tlie Bible in

Latin , and to Euclid , ancl other points , making the period before the Reformation . It is not , however , to be understood that the whole matter is strictly ancient . Bro . Younghusband proposes to read the MS .,

with some notes , before the Masonic Arcbteological Institute in the next session , and it may be of interest to Masonic inquirers to know what are some of the suggestions which arise from the perusal of this document . 1 say suggestions ,

because in the present state of our knowledge we cannot safely offer definite conclusions , and for my own part my remarks arise from only a cursory perusal of the MS . The MS ., it will be seen , forms part of the

chain from the MS . of J . O . Halliwell , and Bro . Matthew Cooke to our present ritual and organisation , and connecting the records given in the pages of the FKEEJIASONS' MAGAZINE by Bros . Hughan , Buchan , & c , and notably with the records of the Haughfoot Lodge in the last number , page 222 .

It suggests that the ritual of thc third degree is older than 1717 , but then these other points arise . It is quite open to admit that the present third degree is the old second degree , and what is new is the ritual of the second degree . The ritual

of the third degree is peculiar , ancl suggestive of its containing- matter from the old body of Masonry . That of the second degree , however , may be new ; it is cut short , and is just the kind of imperfect development from splitting one

degree into two , bringing forth twins , with imperfect nourishment for one . One of the . most ancient portions of the ritual of the third degree does not belong to that degree at all , but to the second or third .

" Good repute" appears to be , as might be conceived , a modern substitute , and the phrase was " Good fame ancl name . '" The external examination outside the door of the lodge must have been more extensive and more

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