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Masonic Notes And Queries.

French statutes , though not Masonic , have an evident derivation that way . ( For copy of the charter , see Bro . Woof's work ) . 2 . By means of old members , the Masonic Templar Order has been traced in England and Scotland to about 1740 . I see no reason to throw discredit on

this assertion of Dr . Burnes and others . 3 . We have the statement of Dr . Leeson of the existence in 1722 of the Eoyal Arch , Kadosh , and other principal degrees of the Ancient and Accepted Kite . I have examined this statement critically , and find no impossibility , hut should certainly prefer full particulars from the pen of the learned Dr . himself . I notice the 1670 tobacco box has the motto of the

Eoyal Order of Scotland , and that its evident owner married in 1670 , Avent abroad with James II . in 1688 , and , remaining in France , was attainted . 4 . In A . D . 1769 , Bro . Morin was at Kingston ( Jamaica ) , and in January of that year , in a Grand Consistory of Princes of the Eoyal Secretinformed

, the Prince Masons that from investigations made in Paris to learn whether the Masons styled " Kadosh " were not in reality the Kni ghts Templar , it had been determined that the degree should for the future , be styled " Knights of the Black and White Eagle , " and that the jewel should he a black eagle , and the

degree is so styled in the regulations of 1762 . This undoubtedly authentic extract proves two things—firstly , that at this date the connection of Templary with Masonry was of some antiquity ; and , secondly , that the Order of Templars was then considered a higher grade than the Eose Croix , thus confirming the

London working of a century ago , evidenced by a diagram in the possession of Bro . ij . W . Little , and the lecture of G . M . Dunckerley—both alluded to at p . 22 of my little hook . Our Craft brethren may rest assured that the Temlars are not likelon the bare i dixit assertions of

p y , pse their opponents , to undervalue their traditions ' , nor do I myself consider it necessary that we should go out of our Avay to answer the carping of those whom nothing seems able to satisfy , and whose lucubrations are in some cases a burning disgrace to the cause they profess to serve . —t j Jous TAEEEE .

A COUNCIL or EITES ( page 205 ) . " Faith without Avorks is dead ; " therefore if , in such a case as this , Bro . Yarker can produce no Avorks to prove his faith , the said faith is dead . As for " those Freemasons who ( now ) believe in the transmission of our traditions from the clays of Solomon" ! they will

helieA'e anything . The foundations for the assertion that the present ceremonial of our Freemasonry existed " prior tol 7 l 7 , " as given by Bro . Yarker , are of very little value indeed , for the said foundations vanish into mist Avhen you vieAV them closely .

That Eoyal Arch Masonry is older than 1717 is purely imaginary . I have no doubt the last century Grand Templars or Holy Wisdom companions had as good a reason for using the date 16 S 6 as the members of the St . John ' s Lodge , Glasgow , had for adopting their 1057 date . Pretension , no doubt , had a hand in both , and if the foundation of the 1 GS 6 date be no better than that of the 1057 imposition it is not much worth .

Masonic Notes And Queries.

I should like to hear Bro . Hughan ' s opinion as to what the Eosicrueian Society is , or was , found " . ' ! upon . Through the courtesy of Bro . Yarker I have a copy of his " Notes on the Orders of the Temple and St . John , " yet the said -work contains no proof-wtiaicv-cr :: i

there ever having been any " Ancient Grand Lodgo of all England held at York . " Such an idea is a mistake , and I trust Bro . Yarker will excuse me saying so . Therefore if the said Ancient Grand Lodge never existed , the idea of its revival is , of course , absurd , and the whole fabric built upon such a foundation at

one falls to the ground . More— - ( and I speak as a true friend of the Order )—if Freemasonry is to obtain , and keep the esteem and respect of the Avorthy , it will Jceep itself by itself , for the less it has to do with these so-called higher Orders , the better for it . la factthe energy Avhich brethren ought to devote to

, further the carrying into practice the noble principles of Craft Masonry is altogether Avasted upon these useless high degrees , which are of no benefit to anyone except it be to Masonic jewellers , or others similarly interested ; they take up time Avhich might be far better and far- more usefully employed . Even many

of those who have got these high degrees run theui down : they say , "They are all humbug—money and time Avasted—Craft Masonry being all-sufficient . " I . could g ive a good deal of evidence to support this . both from the Magazine itself , as well as from my private repertoire . There is , no later than February 12 th ( page 132 ) a member of the 33 rd degreeunder

, , the signature of "Fiat Lux / ' describing these high degrees as being " doubtless the invention cf the arc '' enemies of our Order , " and I side with him there for many reasons ; therefore , to sum up , I trust that our " beautiful three-step Masonry , " as Bro . Hughan , at page 153 styles itwill be ever kept sacred and

invio-, lable . It is complete within itself , and HOAV that A has , in its present state of ritual and forms , stood f _ -i a century and a htvf with its Grand Master at J . S head , it needs no innovation upon this now tin ; ¦ ¦ honoured and good working custom , in the , to sny the least of it , rather curious notion of a " Most Brain ..- ; ' . ' ;

and Supreme Grand Master of a Supreme Grain Council of Eites . " These Eites and High Degree are the parasites of our Freemasonry , which suck it ; blood . Unless cut down , they Avould ultimately go Unto kill the tree . These are the sincere opinions of W . P . BCCHAN .

THE BED CEOSS OP EOME AND CONSTANTINE V . ' iiliO . MATIEB , 30 ° , ETC . I Avould much like to know in what respect iiu ; term " absurd Masonic Order '" '' applies to thoabo-, . - - degree more than to the other chivalric dt-g . ,, ec ; i v connection with Freemasonrye .. Knihts of Male ,

, g , g Knights of the Eagle and Pelican , or Eoss Grot : ; , ai . _ . others . Mark , I do not say either is absurd ; thj phrase is iiro . Matier ' s , not mine . With all respect for his Masonic zeal and abilities , I think the term t . mismomer . — W . J . HUCIKAN . BltO . ONEAL 1 IAXE AND PEEEMASONBY .

An Entered Apprentice will find the ensuing passage in ono of Bro . Oneal Haye ' s contributions to th '; : Freemason ' s Magazine , which is entitled "Frcema-

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ROMAN CATHOLIC INTOLERANCE. Article 1
WHAT MASONRY GAINS BY BEING BASED ON CHRISTIANITY, Article 3
LODGE MINUTES, ETC.—No. 11. Article 4
THE MASONIC STUDENT. Article 5
MASONIC INSCRIPTIONS UPON PUBLIC BUILDINGS. Article 6
MASONIC JOTTINGS.—No. 12. Article 7
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 8
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 10
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MASONIC MEMS Article 12
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SCOTTISH CONSTITUTION. Article 17
ROYAL ARCH. Article 17
MARK MASONRY. Article 19
KNIGHTS TEMPLAR. Article 19
OBSTACLES TO MASONIC LIGHT. Article 19
THE GRAND MASONIC TEMPLE FOR NEW YORK. Article 19
Poetry. Article 20
SCIENTIFIC MEETINGS FOR THE WEEK. Article 20
LIST OF LODGE, MEETINGS, &c., FOR WEEK ENDING 2ND APRIL, 1870. Article 20
METROPOLITAN LODGES AND CHAPTERS OF INSTRUCTION. Article 20
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Masonic Notes And Queries.

French statutes , though not Masonic , have an evident derivation that way . ( For copy of the charter , see Bro . Woof's work ) . 2 . By means of old members , the Masonic Templar Order has been traced in England and Scotland to about 1740 . I see no reason to throw discredit on

this assertion of Dr . Burnes and others . 3 . We have the statement of Dr . Leeson of the existence in 1722 of the Eoyal Arch , Kadosh , and other principal degrees of the Ancient and Accepted Kite . I have examined this statement critically , and find no impossibility , hut should certainly prefer full particulars from the pen of the learned Dr . himself . I notice the 1670 tobacco box has the motto of the

Eoyal Order of Scotland , and that its evident owner married in 1670 , Avent abroad with James II . in 1688 , and , remaining in France , was attainted . 4 . In A . D . 1769 , Bro . Morin was at Kingston ( Jamaica ) , and in January of that year , in a Grand Consistory of Princes of the Eoyal Secretinformed

, the Prince Masons that from investigations made in Paris to learn whether the Masons styled " Kadosh " were not in reality the Kni ghts Templar , it had been determined that the degree should for the future , be styled " Knights of the Black and White Eagle , " and that the jewel should he a black eagle , and the

degree is so styled in the regulations of 1762 . This undoubtedly authentic extract proves two things—firstly , that at this date the connection of Templary with Masonry was of some antiquity ; and , secondly , that the Order of Templars was then considered a higher grade than the Eose Croix , thus confirming the

London working of a century ago , evidenced by a diagram in the possession of Bro . ij . W . Little , and the lecture of G . M . Dunckerley—both alluded to at p . 22 of my little hook . Our Craft brethren may rest assured that the Temlars are not likelon the bare i dixit assertions of

p y , pse their opponents , to undervalue their traditions ' , nor do I myself consider it necessary that we should go out of our Avay to answer the carping of those whom nothing seems able to satisfy , and whose lucubrations are in some cases a burning disgrace to the cause they profess to serve . —t j Jous TAEEEE .

A COUNCIL or EITES ( page 205 ) . " Faith without Avorks is dead ; " therefore if , in such a case as this , Bro . Yarker can produce no Avorks to prove his faith , the said faith is dead . As for " those Freemasons who ( now ) believe in the transmission of our traditions from the clays of Solomon" ! they will

helieA'e anything . The foundations for the assertion that the present ceremonial of our Freemasonry existed " prior tol 7 l 7 , " as given by Bro . Yarker , are of very little value indeed , for the said foundations vanish into mist Avhen you vieAV them closely .

That Eoyal Arch Masonry is older than 1717 is purely imaginary . I have no doubt the last century Grand Templars or Holy Wisdom companions had as good a reason for using the date 16 S 6 as the members of the St . John ' s Lodge , Glasgow , had for adopting their 1057 date . Pretension , no doubt , had a hand in both , and if the foundation of the 1 GS 6 date be no better than that of the 1057 imposition it is not much worth .

Masonic Notes And Queries.

I should like to hear Bro . Hughan ' s opinion as to what the Eosicrueian Society is , or was , found " . ' ! upon . Through the courtesy of Bro . Yarker I have a copy of his " Notes on the Orders of the Temple and St . John , " yet the said -work contains no proof-wtiaicv-cr :: i

there ever having been any " Ancient Grand Lodgo of all England held at York . " Such an idea is a mistake , and I trust Bro . Yarker will excuse me saying so . Therefore if the said Ancient Grand Lodge never existed , the idea of its revival is , of course , absurd , and the whole fabric built upon such a foundation at

one falls to the ground . More— - ( and I speak as a true friend of the Order )—if Freemasonry is to obtain , and keep the esteem and respect of the Avorthy , it will Jceep itself by itself , for the less it has to do with these so-called higher Orders , the better for it . la factthe energy Avhich brethren ought to devote to

, further the carrying into practice the noble principles of Craft Masonry is altogether Avasted upon these useless high degrees , which are of no benefit to anyone except it be to Masonic jewellers , or others similarly interested ; they take up time Avhich might be far better and far- more usefully employed . Even many

of those who have got these high degrees run theui down : they say , "They are all humbug—money and time Avasted—Craft Masonry being all-sufficient . " I . could g ive a good deal of evidence to support this . both from the Magazine itself , as well as from my private repertoire . There is , no later than February 12 th ( page 132 ) a member of the 33 rd degreeunder

, , the signature of "Fiat Lux / ' describing these high degrees as being " doubtless the invention cf the arc '' enemies of our Order , " and I side with him there for many reasons ; therefore , to sum up , I trust that our " beautiful three-step Masonry , " as Bro . Hughan , at page 153 styles itwill be ever kept sacred and

invio-, lable . It is complete within itself , and HOAV that A has , in its present state of ritual and forms , stood f _ -i a century and a htvf with its Grand Master at J . S head , it needs no innovation upon this now tin ; ¦ ¦ honoured and good working custom , in the , to sny the least of it , rather curious notion of a " Most Brain ..- ; ' . ' ;

and Supreme Grand Master of a Supreme Grain Council of Eites . " These Eites and High Degree are the parasites of our Freemasonry , which suck it ; blood . Unless cut down , they Avould ultimately go Unto kill the tree . These are the sincere opinions of W . P . BCCHAN .

THE BED CEOSS OP EOME AND CONSTANTINE V . ' iiliO . MATIEB , 30 ° , ETC . I Avould much like to know in what respect iiu ; term " absurd Masonic Order '" '' applies to thoabo-, . - - degree more than to the other chivalric dt-g . ,, ec ; i v connection with Freemasonrye .. Knihts of Male ,

, g , g Knights of the Eagle and Pelican , or Eoss Grot : ; , ai . _ . others . Mark , I do not say either is absurd ; thj phrase is iiro . Matier ' s , not mine . With all respect for his Masonic zeal and abilities , I think the term t . mismomer . — W . J . HUCIKAN . BltO . ONEAL 1 IAXE AND PEEEMASONBY .

An Entered Apprentice will find the ensuing passage in ono of Bro . Oneal Haye ' s contributions to th '; : Freemason ' s Magazine , which is entitled "Frcema-

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