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and what , if any , was the authority followed by Eckert in stating the discovery ? Many places in Scotland have names that associate them with the Templars ; e . g ., Templelands , near Dundee , & c , Probably these all indicate seats of the Order in olden time . Is there any

good account of the Temple establishment in Scotland during the early Middle Ages , before the Hospitallers succeeded to their lands ? Is the list of its chief officers in Scotland to be found in any accessible book ? A valuable tract , entitled " Templaria" gives a good list of lands that had

, belonged to the Order . " C . H . E . CAEJIICHAEL . To this query George Vere Irving , K . C . T , re- , plies thus ( p . 213 ) : — " When my friend Mr . Carmichael returns to town I shall be happy to give him more full

information on this subject than would be suitable for your columns . In the meantime I may state , iu regard to the Knights Templars of Scotland , that a most

capital account of their history was written by the late lamented Professor Aytoun , who was Grand Prior , as a preface to a new edition of their rules . I have mislaid my copy of this ; bnt , speaking from memory , I may venture to give the following epitome : —

It was a rule of the Order that no knight should fight against a Christian foe , except in self-defence ; but confine his exertions to the cause to whieh he had devoted himself—the liberation of the Temple from the Moslem . The excitement which was roused in Scotland during the great

contest with the Edwards of England , led the Scottish Knights to draw their swords in support of the independence of their country . In consequence of this they were cut off from the Order ; but still maintained their existence , and chiefly in the more northern parts of the island .

Professor Aytoun gives in cxtenso a remarkable letter , written when Charles Edward was at Holyrood ; wherein there is described a meeting of the Knights , at ivhich His Eoyal Highness , after having been made a Knight , was elected Grand Master . Between that period and the present century the succession of the Order is a little obsure .

When I joined it , that distinguished naval officer , -Sir David Milne , of Milnegraden , was Grand Master . He obtained in Paris , and presented to the Order , the collar worn by that officer . This had been lost sight of since the execution of Jacques de Molay , the last of the continental

Grand Masters , whose memory is always remembered at all the festive meetings of the Order , Sir David was succeeded as Grand Mas ' ter by the late lamented Duke of Atholl , and I think few who were present at his inauguration by Aytoun , as Grand Prior , will ever forget it .

Tlie French Templars originated with Sir Sidney Smith . I do not know upon what authority , but the tivo branches of the Order can

easily be distinguished . Both have the imposed cross in red ; but the underlying one is , in the French Order , white and gold ; in the Scotch , black and silver . Both , however , must be distinguished from the extraordinary body which have chosen to call

themselves Knights Templars , and are , in fact , a simple attempt to extend the Masonic Orders Avithout any reason whatever , and pass themselves off for what they never could be ; as it is a sine qua non that every candidate for admission into the real Order of the Temple shall prove his right to

armorial bearings , not through a seal engraver , but through the College of Arms in England , or the Lyons Office in Scotland . " Mr . Irving ' s unfounded attack upon the Masonic Knights Templars elicited the following remarks ( p . 234 ) : - " Keeping to the above heading ( the Templars

in Scotland ) , not because I am about to treat of the subject itself , but simply for the purpose of reference , I beg leave to enter a protest against Mr . George V . Irving , K . C . T ., when he endeavours to exalt the modern and dubious French Order of the-Temple , and decry that of the more ancient and

authentic descendants of the Knights Templars , yet flourishing in connection with Freemasonry .. To open this much debated qtiestioji , or to cite the long list of authorities I have collected on the matter would be to occupy entire numbers of " Notes and Queries" in a discussion in which

neither side could claim a victory ; because we should enter the lists , like boxers , having both hands securely tied behind them , and remain exposed to every blow aimed at us , without the power of returning or parrying * it ; our mouths being * effectually closed on the very points on which persons are desirous to examine us . Mr . Irving seems to fancy Professor Aytoun wrote an introduction to the statutes ofthe French

Order of the Temple , whereas it was connected with the " chapter general of the religions and military Order of the Temple" in Scotland , a Masonic Order , of which the late Grand Master Mason of Scotland , the Duke of Athole , and the present Grand Master MasonJ . Whyte Melville of

, Bennochy , were respectively Grand Masters ; and under the former , Professor Aytoun , himself a member of the Grand Lodge and Grand Chapter of Scotland Avas Grrnd Prior .

Mr . Irving is right about the Templars fighting for the Bruce : hence the Masonic Templar Order ,, called the Eoyal Order of Scotland , founded by King Robert in 1314 ; of which the Grand Master Mason of Scotland , J . Whyte Melville , is Deputy Grand Master and Governor ; the Grand

Mastership being hereditary in the crown of Scotland . There- is no doubt about Prince Charles Edward being installed a Knig ht Companion , and afterwards Grand Master of the Masonic Templars , considering * that the Chevalier Ramsay—the great Masonic light of Scotland—was in attendance on him and

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STRANGE REVELATIONS. Article 1
LAYING THE FOUNDATION STONE OF THE GREYFRIARS' CHURCH, DUMFRIES. Article 2
MONITA SECRETA SOCIETATIS JESU. Article 4
LODGE OFFICERS, THEIR POWERS AND DUTIES. Article 5
MASONIC GLEANINGS. Article 7
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 9
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 10
OLD MASONIC WORKS: Article 10
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 10
METROPOLITAN. Article 10
PROVINCIAL. Article 12
ROYAL ARCH. Article 15
CHATTEL ISLANDS. Article 16
INDIA. Article 18
Untitled Article 18
MEETINGS OF THE SCIENTIFIC AND LEARNED SOCIETIES FOR THE WEEK ENDING JUNE 2ND, 1866. Article 18
THE WEEK. Article 18
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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and what , if any , was the authority followed by Eckert in stating the discovery ? Many places in Scotland have names that associate them with the Templars ; e . g ., Templelands , near Dundee , & c , Probably these all indicate seats of the Order in olden time . Is there any

good account of the Temple establishment in Scotland during the early Middle Ages , before the Hospitallers succeeded to their lands ? Is the list of its chief officers in Scotland to be found in any accessible book ? A valuable tract , entitled " Templaria" gives a good list of lands that had

, belonged to the Order . " C . H . E . CAEJIICHAEL . To this query George Vere Irving , K . C . T , re- , plies thus ( p . 213 ) : — " When my friend Mr . Carmichael returns to town I shall be happy to give him more full

information on this subject than would be suitable for your columns . In the meantime I may state , iu regard to the Knights Templars of Scotland , that a most

capital account of their history was written by the late lamented Professor Aytoun , who was Grand Prior , as a preface to a new edition of their rules . I have mislaid my copy of this ; bnt , speaking from memory , I may venture to give the following epitome : —

It was a rule of the Order that no knight should fight against a Christian foe , except in self-defence ; but confine his exertions to the cause to whieh he had devoted himself—the liberation of the Temple from the Moslem . The excitement which was roused in Scotland during the great

contest with the Edwards of England , led the Scottish Knights to draw their swords in support of the independence of their country . In consequence of this they were cut off from the Order ; but still maintained their existence , and chiefly in the more northern parts of the island .

Professor Aytoun gives in cxtenso a remarkable letter , written when Charles Edward was at Holyrood ; wherein there is described a meeting of the Knights , at ivhich His Eoyal Highness , after having been made a Knight , was elected Grand Master . Between that period and the present century the succession of the Order is a little obsure .

When I joined it , that distinguished naval officer , -Sir David Milne , of Milnegraden , was Grand Master . He obtained in Paris , and presented to the Order , the collar worn by that officer . This had been lost sight of since the execution of Jacques de Molay , the last of the continental

Grand Masters , whose memory is always remembered at all the festive meetings of the Order , Sir David was succeeded as Grand Mas ' ter by the late lamented Duke of Atholl , and I think few who were present at his inauguration by Aytoun , as Grand Prior , will ever forget it .

Tlie French Templars originated with Sir Sidney Smith . I do not know upon what authority , but the tivo branches of the Order can

easily be distinguished . Both have the imposed cross in red ; but the underlying one is , in the French Order , white and gold ; in the Scotch , black and silver . Both , however , must be distinguished from the extraordinary body which have chosen to call

themselves Knights Templars , and are , in fact , a simple attempt to extend the Masonic Orders Avithout any reason whatever , and pass themselves off for what they never could be ; as it is a sine qua non that every candidate for admission into the real Order of the Temple shall prove his right to

armorial bearings , not through a seal engraver , but through the College of Arms in England , or the Lyons Office in Scotland . " Mr . Irving ' s unfounded attack upon the Masonic Knights Templars elicited the following remarks ( p . 234 ) : - " Keeping to the above heading ( the Templars

in Scotland ) , not because I am about to treat of the subject itself , but simply for the purpose of reference , I beg leave to enter a protest against Mr . George V . Irving , K . C . T ., when he endeavours to exalt the modern and dubious French Order of the-Temple , and decry that of the more ancient and

authentic descendants of the Knights Templars , yet flourishing in connection with Freemasonry .. To open this much debated qtiestioji , or to cite the long list of authorities I have collected on the matter would be to occupy entire numbers of " Notes and Queries" in a discussion in which

neither side could claim a victory ; because we should enter the lists , like boxers , having both hands securely tied behind them , and remain exposed to every blow aimed at us , without the power of returning or parrying * it ; our mouths being * effectually closed on the very points on which persons are desirous to examine us . Mr . Irving seems to fancy Professor Aytoun wrote an introduction to the statutes ofthe French

Order of the Temple , whereas it was connected with the " chapter general of the religions and military Order of the Temple" in Scotland , a Masonic Order , of which the late Grand Master Mason of Scotland , the Duke of Athole , and the present Grand Master MasonJ . Whyte Melville of

, Bennochy , were respectively Grand Masters ; and under the former , Professor Aytoun , himself a member of the Grand Lodge and Grand Chapter of Scotland Avas Grrnd Prior .

Mr . Irving is right about the Templars fighting for the Bruce : hence the Masonic Templar Order ,, called the Eoyal Order of Scotland , founded by King Robert in 1314 ; of which the Grand Master Mason of Scotland , J . Whyte Melville , is Deputy Grand Master and Governor ; the Grand

Mastership being hereditary in the crown of Scotland . There- is no doubt about Prince Charles Edward being installed a Knig ht Companion , and afterwards Grand Master of the Masonic Templars , considering * that the Chevalier Ramsay—the great Masonic light of Scotland—was in attendance on him and

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