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under excitement ; but the officer would still insist upon a humiliatory apology which the member declines to give . Is the member on that account to be kept out , because an officer is in the way ? The quarrel is purely personal . —BOMBAY .

EARLY TBAOTS OS EEEEMASONRY . Jachin and Boaz ; or , an Authentic Key to the Door of Freemasonry , Svo ., 1671 . A Freemason ' s Answer to the suspected author of " Jachin and Boaz ; or , an Authentic Key to Freemasonry , " 8 vo ., 1672 . I am not sure that these are the earliest tracts

upon Freemasonry , of which the titles have come uuder my notice . I will , in compliance with a correspondent ' s request , make an early search iu my collections . See my communication , "English Masonic Bibliography , " FREEMASON ' S MAGAZINE , vol . 9 . page 202 . —0 . P . COOMB .

E . A . It occurs to me that E . A . is correctly a guild term . A . would not be sufficient . E . A . means one whose indentures are recorded in the books of the guild , not the simple unregistered A . of a single F . C . or M . M ., but one who is registered as belonging to the guild . Such has been and is the practice of the city of London , and the E . A . is still registered in the guild , fraternity , or company of Masons . —E . Y .

THREE ISSUES . First Issue . Old Mason ; the existing English . Freemasonry originated A . D . 2 S 7 . Second Issue . A " Litterateur ; " the exisfciug English Freemasonry was invented about the middle of the seventeenth century . Third Issue . Bro . Hughan ; the existing English Freemasonry is not older than the year 1717 . —From one of Bro . PUETON COOPER ' Mote Books .

EOURTn DEGREE . The knife and fork degree has been erroneously termed the fourth degree . It is the first and principal , being the " E . A -ting » degree . It ia a strictly Craft or crafty degree . —W . HARRIS , P . M .

HISTORY 01 ? MOTHER KILWINNING . Dear Bro . "B . G . D ., " the best mode , in my judgment , to acquire some notiou . 'i , not likely to prove very incorrect , of the organization of Masonry abroad during the middle ages , is careful study of the history of a Grand Lodof world-wide renownthe Mother

ge , Kilwinning of Scotland , in Bro . Murray Lyon ' s several communications to the MAGAZINE . See NOB . 168 , 198 , 20-1 , 211 ., 217 , 221 , 220 , 227 , 231 , 232 , 235 , 210 , 248 , 262 , 263 , 288 , 294 , and 313 . *—From Bro . PUETON COOPER ' Masonic Letter Book , July , 1805 .

REANNEXATION . My answer to a correspondent at Oxford is that reannexation to the third degree of what is said once to have formed its second part , would , in mv judgment , be a heavy , perhaps a fatal , blow to our English Freemasonry , considered as a universal institution . — C . P . COOPER .

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MEN OE SCIENCE AND GRAND OEEICERS . Iii answer to F . R . S . ; I cannot state , as I do not know , what men of science have been appointed Grand Deacons , if auy , and do not particularly care , as I thiuk it would be throwing away a great distinction for the nobodies to give it to the somebodies . Masonry is an elevating order ; it elevates the lowly .

Besides , all that kind of thing has been altered . The ancient charges—once a landmark—talks about such people being made G-. Masters and D . G . Masters ; but , since the time of Desaguliers , the dignity has not been debased or thrown away , on philosophers . Grand office is its own distinction , and he is lucky who gets it . —W . HARRIS , P . M .

PEDESTALS . "What kind o £ pedestals ought to be applied to Masonic statues ?—QUERIST . SWITZERLAND . Its lodges were in medissval times governed by the Grand Lod of Berne . — From Bro . BURTON

go COOPER ' Masonic Memorandum Book . " CHARTER or SCOTCH KINQS " ( page 188 , 210 ) . The letter of Bro . Buchnn gives some hopes about our charters , but his suggestion about bishops makes our ease stronger , for , saj's he , the more bishops and

kings the more Masonic charters . Scotland , he knows , never took well to bishops at auy time , and never had half-a-dozon bishops to our score . Our chance of finding charters is greater than that of our Scotch brethren , aud it may be from neglect of the old kings and bishop ' s we-have not got them . — ~ W . HARRIS .

SUPREME COUNCIL . A 33 ° will find a full account of the rise and formation of the Supreme Council and the Ancient and Accepted Eite in Bro . Howe ' s Freemasons' Manual . — K . H . 30 ° .

THE PRESXONIAN LECTURE . "What is done with the £ 9 per an . ? "We have heard nothing of it lately . We cannot think Bro . Preston intended only to have the lectures—so-called—read ; but that he intended to have had each lecture worked . His in herof all three degrees is

copy , cyp , or was in possession of Bro . John " Watkins , P . M ., of the Lodge of Felicity . This might be made use of and deposited in the library when it is established . An application to that effect by the G . M . would , we are sure be responded to . —J . H .

i CORINTHIAN OHDER ( page 230 ) . Our dear and esteemed Bro . Anthony Oneal Haye has been rather unfortunate in his remarks about Bosa Crueis and the Corinthian Order . Eosa Crucis , ou page 209 , was perfectly correct in referring to the remark in Josephus ( book 8 , chap . 5 ) , which speaks

of the roof of Solomon ' s house , or palace , being " according to the Corinthian Order . " Eosa Crucis made no mention of the Temple . However , the quotation may be misinterpreted ; and it would come in better to say , "Supported by quadrangular pillars , which were all of ceder , whose tops or capitals were similar to the Corinthian . " Josephus is no great authority in architecture ; had it been from Vitruviua

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Masonic Notes And Querie.

under excitement ; but the officer would still insist upon a humiliatory apology which the member declines to give . Is the member on that account to be kept out , because an officer is in the way ? The quarrel is purely personal . —BOMBAY .

EARLY TBAOTS OS EEEEMASONRY . Jachin and Boaz ; or , an Authentic Key to the Door of Freemasonry , Svo ., 1671 . A Freemason ' s Answer to the suspected author of " Jachin and Boaz ; or , an Authentic Key to Freemasonry , " 8 vo ., 1672 . I am not sure that these are the earliest tracts

upon Freemasonry , of which the titles have come uuder my notice . I will , in compliance with a correspondent ' s request , make an early search iu my collections . See my communication , "English Masonic Bibliography , " FREEMASON ' S MAGAZINE , vol . 9 . page 202 . —0 . P . COOMB .

E . A . It occurs to me that E . A . is correctly a guild term . A . would not be sufficient . E . A . means one whose indentures are recorded in the books of the guild , not the simple unregistered A . of a single F . C . or M . M ., but one who is registered as belonging to the guild . Such has been and is the practice of the city of London , and the E . A . is still registered in the guild , fraternity , or company of Masons . —E . Y .

THREE ISSUES . First Issue . Old Mason ; the existing English . Freemasonry originated A . D . 2 S 7 . Second Issue . A " Litterateur ; " the exisfciug English Freemasonry was invented about the middle of the seventeenth century . Third Issue . Bro . Hughan ; the existing English Freemasonry is not older than the year 1717 . —From one of Bro . PUETON COOPER ' Mote Books .

EOURTn DEGREE . The knife and fork degree has been erroneously termed the fourth degree . It is the first and principal , being the " E . A -ting » degree . It ia a strictly Craft or crafty degree . —W . HARRIS , P . M .

HISTORY 01 ? MOTHER KILWINNING . Dear Bro . "B . G . D ., " the best mode , in my judgment , to acquire some notiou . 'i , not likely to prove very incorrect , of the organization of Masonry abroad during the middle ages , is careful study of the history of a Grand Lodof world-wide renownthe Mother

ge , Kilwinning of Scotland , in Bro . Murray Lyon ' s several communications to the MAGAZINE . See NOB . 168 , 198 , 20-1 , 211 ., 217 , 221 , 220 , 227 , 231 , 232 , 235 , 210 , 248 , 262 , 263 , 288 , 294 , and 313 . *—From Bro . PUETON COOPER ' Masonic Letter Book , July , 1805 .

REANNEXATION . My answer to a correspondent at Oxford is that reannexation to the third degree of what is said once to have formed its second part , would , in mv judgment , be a heavy , perhaps a fatal , blow to our English Freemasonry , considered as a universal institution . — C . P . COOPER .

Masonic Notes And Querie.

MEN OE SCIENCE AND GRAND OEEICERS . Iii answer to F . R . S . ; I cannot state , as I do not know , what men of science have been appointed Grand Deacons , if auy , and do not particularly care , as I thiuk it would be throwing away a great distinction for the nobodies to give it to the somebodies . Masonry is an elevating order ; it elevates the lowly .

Besides , all that kind of thing has been altered . The ancient charges—once a landmark—talks about such people being made G-. Masters and D . G . Masters ; but , since the time of Desaguliers , the dignity has not been debased or thrown away , on philosophers . Grand office is its own distinction , and he is lucky who gets it . —W . HARRIS , P . M .

PEDESTALS . "What kind o £ pedestals ought to be applied to Masonic statues ?—QUERIST . SWITZERLAND . Its lodges were in medissval times governed by the Grand Lod of Berne . — From Bro . BURTON

go COOPER ' Masonic Memorandum Book . " CHARTER or SCOTCH KINQS " ( page 188 , 210 ) . The letter of Bro . Buchnn gives some hopes about our charters , but his suggestion about bishops makes our ease stronger , for , saj's he , the more bishops and

kings the more Masonic charters . Scotland , he knows , never took well to bishops at auy time , and never had half-a-dozon bishops to our score . Our chance of finding charters is greater than that of our Scotch brethren , aud it may be from neglect of the old kings and bishop ' s we-have not got them . — ~ W . HARRIS .

SUPREME COUNCIL . A 33 ° will find a full account of the rise and formation of the Supreme Council and the Ancient and Accepted Eite in Bro . Howe ' s Freemasons' Manual . — K . H . 30 ° .

THE PRESXONIAN LECTURE . "What is done with the £ 9 per an . ? "We have heard nothing of it lately . We cannot think Bro . Preston intended only to have the lectures—so-called—read ; but that he intended to have had each lecture worked . His in herof all three degrees is

copy , cyp , or was in possession of Bro . John " Watkins , P . M ., of the Lodge of Felicity . This might be made use of and deposited in the library when it is established . An application to that effect by the G . M . would , we are sure be responded to . —J . H .

i CORINTHIAN OHDER ( page 230 ) . Our dear and esteemed Bro . Anthony Oneal Haye has been rather unfortunate in his remarks about Bosa Crueis and the Corinthian Order . Eosa Crucis , ou page 209 , was perfectly correct in referring to the remark in Josephus ( book 8 , chap . 5 ) , which speaks

of the roof of Solomon ' s house , or palace , being " according to the Corinthian Order . " Eosa Crucis made no mention of the Temple . However , the quotation may be misinterpreted ; and it would come in better to say , "Supported by quadrangular pillars , which were all of ceder , whose tops or capitals were similar to the Corinthian . " Josephus is no great authority in architecture ; had it been from Vitruviua

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