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the quotation would have been more worthy of consideration . Bro . Haye is also under a mistake in supposing that the very pretty story which points to Callimaehus as being the inventor of the Corinthian , lias never been called in question . It is years since I read the following : "The origin of the Corinthian capital lias

been ascribed to the sculptor Callimaehus , who has said to have copied it from a basket accidentally enveloped in loaves of acanthus . A more probable supposition traces its origin to some of the Egyptian capitals , which it certainly resembles . " I am afraid the Corinthian capital gave rise to the story ; not the

incident to the capital . The flat stone on the top comes in very handy for the Abacus . Pillars with capitals similar to the Corinthian , or which contain ( if I may so put it ) the Corinthian in embryo , of Asiatic or Egyptian origin , existed long before the Greeks took it iu handandperfecting it

, , , raised it to the dignity of what we now know as the Corinthian Order . The Corinthian capital is a composition of the older ea 2 ) ital I refer to , with the addition of the Ionic volutes , or spirals , adapted and worked up to perfection by the genius of the Greeks , which perfection was not arrived at until long after

Solomon ' s time . The Greeks may have been the first to use the acanthus leaves which spring up all round the capital , the older specimens having the leaves of the palm , date , & c . and bavins : no volutes . The Corinthian

grew up to perfection ; it did not start into life , fullfledged , ail at once . In the Doric we have the plain strong pillar . In the Ionic the horned pillar ; and , in the Corinthian , the flowery pillar . Each would be full of meaning to the ancient Craftsman .

There is a vast store of architectual knowledge lying buried under Eastern sands and soil which every Mason who deserves the name ought to feel deeply interested iu seeing elucidated . As Masons , we shame ourselves if we stand idly by while researches are going on in that grand old historic soil of Palestine . Every Masouic lodge in the world ought to ive a

g helping hand ; and , as practise is better than precept , I shall see that the lodge I have the honour of belonging to opens it eyes and purse too in this respect . —PICTUS .

SCOTTISH NOT " SCOTCH . " " Scotch " is a verb . To Scotch meaning , to cut or slice . JE . g . Many a Scot has been pierced with an English arrow , while many an Englishman has been scotched with a Scottish broadsword . To use the words Scotch , Scotchman , Scotchmen , as has been done is therefore wrong . It should be Scottish , Scot or Scotsman , Scots or Scotsmen . —W . P . B .

CORINTHIAN ORDER . BRO . ANTHONY ONEAL HAYE . "Eosa Crucis has found in Josephus that the Temple of Solomon had its roof aceordinr .- to the Corinthian Order . "Would Eosa Crucis give us the book , chapter , and section where he make tin ' s notable discovery . " See "Antiquities of the Jews" ( book S

, chap . 5 , section 2 ) . "This house was a large and curious building , supported by quadrangular pillars , which were all of cedar , with folding door , and the adjoining pillars of equal magnitude . " I made a note of this , as it is the earliest period in which I have seen the Order mentioned . The word " Corin-

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thian " has puzzled me , as it has , I believe , many more learned heads than mine . Bro . Llaye says , "if Eosa Crucis will turn to 'Aufciqnities of the Jews' ( book 15 , chap . 11 , section 5 ) , he will find the passage he refers to as relative to Herod ' s Temple . " I did so , and found it refers to the pillars of the cloister numbering 162 : "These chapiters were made with sculptures after the Corinthian , Order . ' '—EOSA CRUCIS .

IMMORTALITY OE THE SOUL . Aleph , like many brethren , jumps at conclusions from false premises . He asks , " Does Eosa Crucis mean that iu the time of Job the two sects of Pharisees and Sadducees existed . '' I said nothing of the kind . I said , "The Sadducees said ' there was no

resurrection , and neither angel or spirit , ' but the Pharisees confessed both " ( Acts , chap , xsiii ., v . S ) . Does Aleph deny this ? He then goes on say , " Where is that revealed ? If the sects of Sadducees and Pharisees existed in the remotest epochs of Judaism , it will constitute a fact , showing tliat they were then divided on this doctrine . ' So doubt it

will , and a most interesting fact too . Now , 1520 years B . C . Moses wrote the Book of Job ; aud Job says ( chap , xix ., v . 26 ) , "And though after my skin worms destroy this body , yet in my flesh shall I see God . " At this early period , therefore , the doctrine of the immortality of the soul was acknowledged bthe Jews . Josephus says : — "In

y the reign of Autiochus ( about 140 years E . G . ) the Pharisees are one of the sects of the Jews who have so great a power over the multitude , that when they say anything against the king or against the high priest they were presently believed . " Book 13 , chap . 10 , sections 5 & 6 , begins -. " Wow there was

one Jonathan , a very great friend of Hyreanus , but of the sect of the Sadducees , whose notions are quite contrary to those of the Pharisees . " Whistou , the translator of Josephus , says ( in a note ) : " Hyreanus , a Pharisee , went over to the party of the Sadducees , that isby embracing their doctrine against the

tra-, ditions of the elder 3 , added to tbe written law , and made of equal authority with it , but not the doctrine against the resurrection and a future state ; and when St . Paul said before the Council I am a Pharisee and the son of a Pharisee , of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question , there arose a great

cry , and the Scribes that were of the Pharisees part , arose and strove saying , ' We find no evil iu this man , but if a spirit or an angel hath spoken to him , let us fight against God . ' " —EOSA CRUCIS .

KILWINNING AS A HEAD LODGE . From its transactions in the 17 th and lSth centuries , the Lodge of Kilwinning may be called " a head lodge , " the title of head dating from that date ; but , if the Lodge of Kilwinning , claims to be " the head lodge , " and that even before the 17 th century ,

that is a different matter . "We would be better to wait for further information before we agree to that . The 1599 Statute of Schaw may be a forgery of recent date for all we know as yet . If true , it is an important document . I would suggest it being laid before Professor Cosmo Iunesin Edinburghwho would be

, , just as likel y to give a reliable opinion regarding it , aa he did regarding another pretentious Masouic document lately . Ic is useless , in the meanwhile , speculating before that is done . —W . P . B .

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THE KNIGHTS TEMPLARS . Article 1
THE TALMUD. Article 5
PALESTINE EXPLORATION FUND. Article 8
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIE. Article 9
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 12
MASONIC IMPOSTORS. Article 12
MASONIC IMPOSTORS.—SUGGESTIONS. Article 13
IMPORTANT MASONIC CONFERENCE. Article 13
THE MASONIC CHARITIES. Article 13
GRAND LODGE LIBRARY. Article 14
A PROPOSED MEMORIAL OF THE LATE BRO. DR. OLIVER. Article 14
BOYS' SCHOOL. Article 14
CHURCH ARCHITECTURE OF THE THIRTEENTH AND FOURTEENTH CENTURY: Article 14
MASONIC RELIEF IN THE PROVINCES. Article 15
MASONIC MEMS. Article 16
PROVINCIAL. Article 16
SCOTLAND. Article 18
IRELAND. Article 18
BRITISH AMERICA. Article 18
AUSTRALIA. Article 19
ROYAL ARCH. Article 20
RED CROSS OF ROME AND CONSTANTINE. Article 20
PUBLIC AMUSEMENTS. Article 20
METROPOLITAN LODGE MEETINGS, ETC., FOR THE WEEK ENDING OCTOBER 3rd, 1868. Article 20
Poetry. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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the quotation would have been more worthy of consideration . Bro . Haye is also under a mistake in supposing that the very pretty story which points to Callimaehus as being the inventor of the Corinthian , lias never been called in question . It is years since I read the following : "The origin of the Corinthian capital lias

been ascribed to the sculptor Callimaehus , who has said to have copied it from a basket accidentally enveloped in loaves of acanthus . A more probable supposition traces its origin to some of the Egyptian capitals , which it certainly resembles . " I am afraid the Corinthian capital gave rise to the story ; not the

incident to the capital . The flat stone on the top comes in very handy for the Abacus . Pillars with capitals similar to the Corinthian , or which contain ( if I may so put it ) the Corinthian in embryo , of Asiatic or Egyptian origin , existed long before the Greeks took it iu handandperfecting it

, , , raised it to the dignity of what we now know as the Corinthian Order . The Corinthian capital is a composition of the older ea 2 ) ital I refer to , with the addition of the Ionic volutes , or spirals , adapted and worked up to perfection by the genius of the Greeks , which perfection was not arrived at until long after

Solomon ' s time . The Greeks may have been the first to use the acanthus leaves which spring up all round the capital , the older specimens having the leaves of the palm , date , & c . and bavins : no volutes . The Corinthian

grew up to perfection ; it did not start into life , fullfledged , ail at once . In the Doric we have the plain strong pillar . In the Ionic the horned pillar ; and , in the Corinthian , the flowery pillar . Each would be full of meaning to the ancient Craftsman .

There is a vast store of architectual knowledge lying buried under Eastern sands and soil which every Mason who deserves the name ought to feel deeply interested iu seeing elucidated . As Masons , we shame ourselves if we stand idly by while researches are going on in that grand old historic soil of Palestine . Every Masouic lodge in the world ought to ive a

g helping hand ; and , as practise is better than precept , I shall see that the lodge I have the honour of belonging to opens it eyes and purse too in this respect . —PICTUS .

SCOTTISH NOT " SCOTCH . " " Scotch " is a verb . To Scotch meaning , to cut or slice . JE . g . Many a Scot has been pierced with an English arrow , while many an Englishman has been scotched with a Scottish broadsword . To use the words Scotch , Scotchman , Scotchmen , as has been done is therefore wrong . It should be Scottish , Scot or Scotsman , Scots or Scotsmen . —W . P . B .

CORINTHIAN ORDER . BRO . ANTHONY ONEAL HAYE . "Eosa Crucis has found in Josephus that the Temple of Solomon had its roof aceordinr .- to the Corinthian Order . "Would Eosa Crucis give us the book , chapter , and section where he make tin ' s notable discovery . " See "Antiquities of the Jews" ( book S

, chap . 5 , section 2 ) . "This house was a large and curious building , supported by quadrangular pillars , which were all of cedar , with folding door , and the adjoining pillars of equal magnitude . " I made a note of this , as it is the earliest period in which I have seen the Order mentioned . The word " Corin-

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thian " has puzzled me , as it has , I believe , many more learned heads than mine . Bro . Llaye says , "if Eosa Crucis will turn to 'Aufciqnities of the Jews' ( book 15 , chap . 11 , section 5 ) , he will find the passage he refers to as relative to Herod ' s Temple . " I did so , and found it refers to the pillars of the cloister numbering 162 : "These chapiters were made with sculptures after the Corinthian , Order . ' '—EOSA CRUCIS .

IMMORTALITY OE THE SOUL . Aleph , like many brethren , jumps at conclusions from false premises . He asks , " Does Eosa Crucis mean that iu the time of Job the two sects of Pharisees and Sadducees existed . '' I said nothing of the kind . I said , "The Sadducees said ' there was no

resurrection , and neither angel or spirit , ' but the Pharisees confessed both " ( Acts , chap , xsiii ., v . S ) . Does Aleph deny this ? He then goes on say , " Where is that revealed ? If the sects of Sadducees and Pharisees existed in the remotest epochs of Judaism , it will constitute a fact , showing tliat they were then divided on this doctrine . ' So doubt it

will , and a most interesting fact too . Now , 1520 years B . C . Moses wrote the Book of Job ; aud Job says ( chap , xix ., v . 26 ) , "And though after my skin worms destroy this body , yet in my flesh shall I see God . " At this early period , therefore , the doctrine of the immortality of the soul was acknowledged bthe Jews . Josephus says : — "In

y the reign of Autiochus ( about 140 years E . G . ) the Pharisees are one of the sects of the Jews who have so great a power over the multitude , that when they say anything against the king or against the high priest they were presently believed . " Book 13 , chap . 10 , sections 5 & 6 , begins -. " Wow there was

one Jonathan , a very great friend of Hyreanus , but of the sect of the Sadducees , whose notions are quite contrary to those of the Pharisees . " Whistou , the translator of Josephus , says ( in a note ) : " Hyreanus , a Pharisee , went over to the party of the Sadducees , that isby embracing their doctrine against the

tra-, ditions of the elder 3 , added to tbe written law , and made of equal authority with it , but not the doctrine against the resurrection and a future state ; and when St . Paul said before the Council I am a Pharisee and the son of a Pharisee , of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question , there arose a great

cry , and the Scribes that were of the Pharisees part , arose and strove saying , ' We find no evil iu this man , but if a spirit or an angel hath spoken to him , let us fight against God . ' " —EOSA CRUCIS .

KILWINNING AS A HEAD LODGE . From its transactions in the 17 th and lSth centuries , the Lodge of Kilwinning may be called " a head lodge , " the title of head dating from that date ; but , if the Lodge of Kilwinning , claims to be " the head lodge , " and that even before the 17 th century ,

that is a different matter . "We would be better to wait for further information before we agree to that . The 1599 Statute of Schaw may be a forgery of recent date for all we know as yet . If true , it is an important document . I would suggest it being laid before Professor Cosmo Iunesin Edinburghwho would be

, , just as likel y to give a reliable opinion regarding it , aa he did regarding another pretentious Masouic document lately . Ic is useless , in the meanwhile , speculating before that is done . —W . P . B .

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