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Correspondence.

when the Grand Lodge omits to lay down a fixed standard and to forbid departure from it . In a third province in which I spent a few months , without being a member of it , I volunteered to take charge of a lodge of instruction . The offer was accepted , and , in order to make it as effective as

possible , the members , who were all officers , having confidence in my teaching , bound themselves in writing to submit implicitly to it . Thus no time was lost in discussions , and rapid progress was made . I mention this especially , because , in the formation of a lodge of instruction , I deem this arrangement

essential to success , but it necessitates great caution in the selection of the teacher . The "W . M . of ten years' standing" seems to think that attendance at Grand Lodge in London would be a remedy for his difficulties , if he could spare the time . I fear he would be greatly disappointed

were he to make the attempt , for the meetings held once a quarter do not last more than three hours each , that is twelve hours in the year . As I think , it is one of the defects in our administration that so little regard is paid to important points , such as a fixed standard and uniformity in working , and that

the time is mainly occupied in inquiring into and punishing trifling technical breaches of discipline . I trust that , from the facts I have narrated , your correspondent will be able to glean sufficient information for his guidance , and , if not , doubtless you will answer his appeal , and put the matter in a more lucid manner .

Referring to the letter ( p . 310 ) on the superintendence of lodges , I am glad to see that another Prov . G . R . has sent in his adhesion to Bro . White's plan as a modification of my original suggestion . Allow me to call attention to the passage on visitatious of lodges ( pp . 310 , 311 ) , in the account of the Grand Lodge of Canada , as confirmatory of my

statements some months ago on the subject of periodical inspection of private lodges under authority , and reports thereon to our Grand Lodge . Apologising for the length of these remarks , which will , I trust , be useful to many young Masons besides the brother whose inquiries have called them forth , believe me , Tours fraternally , II . H .

The District Grand Mastership Of Turkey And Egypt.

THE DISTRICT GRAND MASTERSHIP OF TURKEY AND EGYPT .

10 TIIE F . DITOE OF TOE PJIEFMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC JIIBBOH . Dear Sir and Brother , —Since the resignation of the R . W . M ., Bro . Sir Henry L . Buhver , of the Deputy Grand Mastership of Turkey and Egypt , the lodges of this district have been totally unacquainted with what the intentions of the MWGMthe Earl

...., of Zetland , happened to be as to appointing a successor . Applications have been made to the District Grand Secretary , but he could give no information . The news , therefore , that lias been published in the newspapers of this city that Puad Pasha has been appointed to the vacant lace has

p caused mucli surprise , as it was generally understood that Lord Zetland intended conferring the honour on that eminent Mason , W . Bro . J . P . Brown , P . D . S . G . W . We have no right to offer any objection to the election made by the Grand Master ,

The District Grand Mastership Of Turkey And Egypt.

but it would have been more satisfactory if the D . G . Secretary had been instructed to inform the lodges that such an appointment had been made , and that Egypt was erected into a separate district . As yet Fuad Pacha , so far as I know , has not communicated on the subject with any lodge or brother , and

we know not what his intentions are . Under the peculiar circumstances in which the district is situated , it would be very satisfactory if you would give us some information about Bro . Puad Pasha ' s appointment , and how the District Grand Lodge is actuallplaced . As I

understandaccordingy , to the amended Constitutions , the District Grand Lodge does not now , as formerly , cease to exist , on a vacancy occurring in the D . G . Mastership . I sincerely trust our new chief will make such a judicious selection of officers that their continued exertions may tend to bring about—what all Masons

must desire—the formation of a separate Grand Lodge for Turkey . Yours fraternally , A PAST MASTEB . Masonic Hall , Pera , Constantinople , Sept . 28 th .

Looseness In Masonry.

LOOSENESS IN MASONRY .

TO THE EDITOR OF TOE FKEEMASONs' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC 1 II 2 E 0 B . Dear Sir and Brother , —I was attracted to the letter of " P . M . " in your Magazine of the 19 th inst ., in which a reference was made to the looseness with which things are done in Scotland . I can confirm our brother's statement by a brief relation of my own .

In the early part of last month I was on my way to the British Association , and having an evening unemployed , while in the county of Perth , I sought out a Masonic lodge , and found , much to my satisfaction , that there was to be a passing and raising of four Entered Apprentices . I made myself known to one

of the brethren , and received a cordial invitation to attend the lodge . I went , aud found that the brethren were assembling in a school-room , having let their lodge for a small annual rental . On entering I found no book on which to record my name , and afterwards , when the lodge was opened in the first degree , there was no reading of minutes of former meetings , and , indeed , there appeared to be no record

kept of the proceedings . When , or where , or how they entered the names of the candidates I could not even learn . I saw the whole four Entered Apprentices go through the second and third degrees . The ceremonial was very different to our own English ceremony , and was lax and loose to a very remarkable degree . In some parts it astonished meaud it must

, have a little alarmed the parties themselves . When the business was over we adjourned from labour to refreshment . This was of the very simplest kind ; , and I may not be going out of my way in stating that our drink was chiefly whisky toddy . I joined the brethren in this as well as in other matters , and

my toddy cost me only twopence halfpenny a glass . I asked what was the initiation fee , and was informed that it was £ 1 lis . Gd ., and that there was no annual subscription whatever . I could not but express my very great surprise at this , and I told the brethren that I did not see how they could sustain the fraternal claims of the Order or any of our Charities by such a system , for an annual subscription , even if

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THE KNIGHTS TEMPLARS. Article 1
AN ANALYSIS OF ANCIENT AND MODERN FREEMASONRY. Article 5
ROSICRUCIAN BIBLIOGRAPHY, 1614—1681. Article 7
VIRTUE, HONOUR, AND MERCY. Article 7
GLEANINGS BY " ELIHOENAI." Article 8
ORATION. Article 9
FOURTH DECADE OF MASONIC PRECEPTS. Article 10
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 10
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 11
THE DISTRICT GRAND MASTERSHIP OF TURKEY AND EGYPT. Article 12
LOOSENESS IN MASONRY. Article 12
A PERPETUAL MENTAL CALENDAR. Article 13
ROYAL BENEVOLENT INSTITUTION FOR AGED FREEMASONS AND THEIR WIDOWS Article 13
MASONIC LIFEBOAT. Article 13
LODGE WORKING.—CEREMONIALS. Article 13
SUSPENSION OF LODGE OFFICERS. Article 14
MASONIC SCHOLARSHIPS. Article 14
MASONIC MEMS. Article 15
METROPOLITAN. Article 15
PROVINCIAL. Article 16
SCOTLAND. Article 17
CHANNEL ISLANDS. Article 19
CANADA. Article 19
LODGE MEETINGS, ETC., FOR THE WEEK ENDING NOVEMBER 2ND, 1867. Article 20
Poetry. Article 20
CHEERFULNESS. Article 20
THE WEEK. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Correspondence.

when the Grand Lodge omits to lay down a fixed standard and to forbid departure from it . In a third province in which I spent a few months , without being a member of it , I volunteered to take charge of a lodge of instruction . The offer was accepted , and , in order to make it as effective as

possible , the members , who were all officers , having confidence in my teaching , bound themselves in writing to submit implicitly to it . Thus no time was lost in discussions , and rapid progress was made . I mention this especially , because , in the formation of a lodge of instruction , I deem this arrangement

essential to success , but it necessitates great caution in the selection of the teacher . The "W . M . of ten years' standing" seems to think that attendance at Grand Lodge in London would be a remedy for his difficulties , if he could spare the time . I fear he would be greatly disappointed

were he to make the attempt , for the meetings held once a quarter do not last more than three hours each , that is twelve hours in the year . As I think , it is one of the defects in our administration that so little regard is paid to important points , such as a fixed standard and uniformity in working , and that

the time is mainly occupied in inquiring into and punishing trifling technical breaches of discipline . I trust that , from the facts I have narrated , your correspondent will be able to glean sufficient information for his guidance , and , if not , doubtless you will answer his appeal , and put the matter in a more lucid manner .

Referring to the letter ( p . 310 ) on the superintendence of lodges , I am glad to see that another Prov . G . R . has sent in his adhesion to Bro . White's plan as a modification of my original suggestion . Allow me to call attention to the passage on visitatious of lodges ( pp . 310 , 311 ) , in the account of the Grand Lodge of Canada , as confirmatory of my

statements some months ago on the subject of periodical inspection of private lodges under authority , and reports thereon to our Grand Lodge . Apologising for the length of these remarks , which will , I trust , be useful to many young Masons besides the brother whose inquiries have called them forth , believe me , Tours fraternally , II . H .

The District Grand Mastership Of Turkey And Egypt.

THE DISTRICT GRAND MASTERSHIP OF TURKEY AND EGYPT .

10 TIIE F . DITOE OF TOE PJIEFMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC JIIBBOH . Dear Sir and Brother , —Since the resignation of the R . W . M ., Bro . Sir Henry L . Buhver , of the Deputy Grand Mastership of Turkey and Egypt , the lodges of this district have been totally unacquainted with what the intentions of the MWGMthe Earl

...., of Zetland , happened to be as to appointing a successor . Applications have been made to the District Grand Secretary , but he could give no information . The news , therefore , that lias been published in the newspapers of this city that Puad Pasha has been appointed to the vacant lace has

p caused mucli surprise , as it was generally understood that Lord Zetland intended conferring the honour on that eminent Mason , W . Bro . J . P . Brown , P . D . S . G . W . We have no right to offer any objection to the election made by the Grand Master ,

The District Grand Mastership Of Turkey And Egypt.

but it would have been more satisfactory if the D . G . Secretary had been instructed to inform the lodges that such an appointment had been made , and that Egypt was erected into a separate district . As yet Fuad Pacha , so far as I know , has not communicated on the subject with any lodge or brother , and

we know not what his intentions are . Under the peculiar circumstances in which the district is situated , it would be very satisfactory if you would give us some information about Bro . Puad Pasha ' s appointment , and how the District Grand Lodge is actuallplaced . As I

understandaccordingy , to the amended Constitutions , the District Grand Lodge does not now , as formerly , cease to exist , on a vacancy occurring in the D . G . Mastership . I sincerely trust our new chief will make such a judicious selection of officers that their continued exertions may tend to bring about—what all Masons

must desire—the formation of a separate Grand Lodge for Turkey . Yours fraternally , A PAST MASTEB . Masonic Hall , Pera , Constantinople , Sept . 28 th .

Looseness In Masonry.

LOOSENESS IN MASONRY .

TO THE EDITOR OF TOE FKEEMASONs' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC 1 II 2 E 0 B . Dear Sir and Brother , —I was attracted to the letter of " P . M . " in your Magazine of the 19 th inst ., in which a reference was made to the looseness with which things are done in Scotland . I can confirm our brother's statement by a brief relation of my own .

In the early part of last month I was on my way to the British Association , and having an evening unemployed , while in the county of Perth , I sought out a Masonic lodge , and found , much to my satisfaction , that there was to be a passing and raising of four Entered Apprentices . I made myself known to one

of the brethren , and received a cordial invitation to attend the lodge . I went , aud found that the brethren were assembling in a school-room , having let their lodge for a small annual rental . On entering I found no book on which to record my name , and afterwards , when the lodge was opened in the first degree , there was no reading of minutes of former meetings , and , indeed , there appeared to be no record

kept of the proceedings . When , or where , or how they entered the names of the candidates I could not even learn . I saw the whole four Entered Apprentices go through the second and third degrees . The ceremonial was very different to our own English ceremony , and was lax and loose to a very remarkable degree . In some parts it astonished meaud it must

, have a little alarmed the parties themselves . When the business was over we adjourned from labour to refreshment . This was of the very simplest kind ; , and I may not be going out of my way in stating that our drink was chiefly whisky toddy . I joined the brethren in this as well as in other matters , and

my toddy cost me only twopence halfpenny a glass . I asked what was the initiation fee , and was informed that it was £ 1 lis . Gd ., and that there was no annual subscription whatever . I could not but express my very great surprise at this , and I told the brethren that I did not see how they could sustain the fraternal claims of the Order or any of our Charities by such a system , for an annual subscription , even if

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