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The Orders Of The Red Cross Of Rome And The Holy Sepulchre.

well-known works on the public Chivalric Orders . I have already said that I should like to see any original statute in reference to Grand Crosses ancl their appurtenant powers , but none such is forthcoming . In my first communication I referred to the changing fortunes of the original Order , as to ivhich we probably could not essentially differ ; but we are now told that the Masonic Red Cross Institution does not

boast any connection with the Parmese-Neapolitau Order ; I conclude , therefore , that the question is reduced to the powers , and acts , of the Abbe Guis - tiniani , aud any evidence of them . I still think the comparison with the Order of St . John was not fortunate . I am quite aware that evidences of the Masonic Order called by that name

exist , in amalgamation with the Masonic Templars , as early as 1780 ; and I am well aequainted with the several surviving branches of the original Order of St . John . I am perfectly aware that the Grand Con clave resolved upon the revival of the Masonic Order of St . John in 1 SG 2 , and in reply to R . W . L . ' s inquiry as to "' where I was when the revival actually occurred , " I answer that I endeavoured to act

consistently by respectfully declining Grand Office on that occasion , ancl , iu so declining , gave my reasons at length . I can have no " delight" in the wrongful appropriation of one badge , the property of another Order , and I find no reasons for the adoption of the others . I regret that I cannot give any distinct information

of the Order called " Red Cross , " which I stated has been for many years known . I have already described the Cross worn by a venerable brother whom I met at a Masonic gathering ; this brother had for many years filled a high medical post in the Indian service , and was a friend of the late Dr . James Burnes , LL . D .,

F . R . S ., whose book on the Templars and Hospitallers is well known ; I have no doubt that this brother had possessed bis Red Cross for many years . A brother in the province of Lancaster , fully competent to afford information , writes me that he can find no trace of the Red Cross of Constantine in Lancashire ; but states that the Cross of St . George of Italy appears upon one Encampment banner of the year 1827 . He also says : — " I remember some years

ago ( say about 1862 ) that a statement was made in the Notes and Queries department of the Freemasons ' Magazine to the effect that the Grand Master of Freemasonry in America had met a chevalier at Malta , and obtained from him his authority to confer the Red Cross of Constantine on such Freemasons as he thought properthe Chevalier reserving only to

him-, self the power of granting diplomas . " If it is possible that such an incident can be true , no doubt the Chevalier also had a reservation in the matter of passage dues . The Red Cross Order now existing in Lancashire is called the Red Cross of Babylon .

I cast no reflection upon Bro . Rod well Wright ; he , no doubt , did what be thought was perfectly correct ; but he was as liable to error as otheis . I repeat that nothing whatever has been said in favour of assuming the Order of the Holy Sepulchre , aud , as this is stated to arise from want of time and space , it must , I suppose , be assumed that the author of the " Sketch " was unable to say anything on the subject from the same cause .

The Orders Of The Red Cross Of Rome And The Holy Sepulchre.

I beg distinctly to observe that I made no reference to the princip les or ceremonies of the Red Cross Order . I have treated its claims historically only , and am willing to suppose that its teachings are all that may be claimed for them . In saying thus much I may remark that R . W . L . in his conclusion reiterates

a statement regarding the ceremonies of his Order , which has not been disputed or called in question , and of which ceremonies I could have no information . Indeed , I presume none hut a member of the Order could have been aware , excepting for R . W . L . ' s present statement , that its ritual commemorates the great

event of the triumph and establishment of our Divine Faith . Let it not , however , be permitted to R . W . L ., or any other writer , to confound an honest desire to search for historic evidence when claims like those of " the Sketch" are put forth , with scepticism and cavilling at the great blessing of our existence . Yours fraternally , Lupus .

Bros. Haye And White.

BROS . HAYE AND WHITE .

TO TEE EDITOR OF THE " FKEEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIBBOB . ' Dear Sir and Brother , —The Masonic zeal of our respected Bros . Haye and White appears to have carried each beyond the line of courtesy due to one another . With other admirers of each of our brethren , I trust they will " kiss and be friends . " The one should not call the other " illogical" in

the face of that fearful test — we are gradually realizing the truth of more and more each day —• " absolute figures , " nor stigmatise his brother as being of the German , & c , school , giving his own explanation as to the special teaching of that school . On the other hand , it should be borne in mind the

desirability of abstaining from an inference , capable of misconstruction , as has been the case in this controversy . I trust , by endeavouring to mediate between our brethren and calling their attention to the fact of the " good of the cause , " prompting each brother to do what he can for the same , I may not incur the crossfire of both , when one would blow my ship out of water . —Yours fraternally , JAMES H . GITTINS -

Masonic Impostors.

MASONIC IMPOSTORS .

TO TUB EDITOB OF THE FHEEMASON 3 * MAGAZINE AND MASO-TIC MIBBOB . Dear Sir and Brother , —Some months ago , your esteemed correspondent , " East Lancashire , " promised to communicate to your pages particulars of some of the cases of attempted imposition which had come under his notice as Almoner , but which have not yet appeared . Many , I feel assuredwill agree

, with me that such information would be highly valuable to the Masters and Almoners of country lodges . A few evenings ago a tramp presented himself at one of our lodge meetings soliciting relief as a brother in distress . He had what purported to be a

certificate from some Irish lodge , written on paper and mounted on linen , but from its dirty and dilapidated condition , it was all but illegible , having evidently done duty for a long time . Its possessor , on being examined by a P . M . proved to be so utterly ignorant of Masonry , that there could be no doubt of his being an arrant impostor . Yours fraternally , D . P . G . M .

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MYSTICS AND MYSTICISM. No. II. Article 1
MASONIC PERSECUTION.—III. Article 2
THE KNIGHTS TEMPLARS. Article 2
CHAPTER XIV. Article 4
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 7
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 10
THE ORDERS OF THE RED CROSS OF ROME AND THE HOLY SEPULCHRE. Article 10
BROS. HAYE AND WHITE. Article 11
MASONIC IMPOSTORS. Article 11
Untitled Article 12
MASONIC MEMS. Article 12
GRAND LODGE OF ENGLAND. Article 12
METROPOLITAN. Article 13
PROVINCIAL. Article 15
SCOTLAND. Article 16
ISLE OF MAN. Article 16
ROYAL ARCH. Article 16
MARK MASONRY. Article 17
KNIGHTS TEMPLAR. Article 17
MASONIC FESTIVITIES. Article 18
GRIMSBY FULL DRESS MASONIC BALL. Article 18
DUBLIN MASONIC ORPHAN BOYS' SCHOOL. Article 19
MASONIC LIFEBOAT FUND. Article 19
Poetry. Article 19
MEETINGS OF THE LEARNED SOCIETIES. Article 19
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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The Orders Of The Red Cross Of Rome And The Holy Sepulchre.

well-known works on the public Chivalric Orders . I have already said that I should like to see any original statute in reference to Grand Crosses ancl their appurtenant powers , but none such is forthcoming . In my first communication I referred to the changing fortunes of the original Order , as to ivhich we probably could not essentially differ ; but we are now told that the Masonic Red Cross Institution does not

boast any connection with the Parmese-Neapolitau Order ; I conclude , therefore , that the question is reduced to the powers , and acts , of the Abbe Guis - tiniani , aud any evidence of them . I still think the comparison with the Order of St . John was not fortunate . I am quite aware that evidences of the Masonic Order called by that name

exist , in amalgamation with the Masonic Templars , as early as 1780 ; and I am well aequainted with the several surviving branches of the original Order of St . John . I am perfectly aware that the Grand Con clave resolved upon the revival of the Masonic Order of St . John in 1 SG 2 , and in reply to R . W . L . ' s inquiry as to "' where I was when the revival actually occurred , " I answer that I endeavoured to act

consistently by respectfully declining Grand Office on that occasion , ancl , iu so declining , gave my reasons at length . I can have no " delight" in the wrongful appropriation of one badge , the property of another Order , and I find no reasons for the adoption of the others . I regret that I cannot give any distinct information

of the Order called " Red Cross , " which I stated has been for many years known . I have already described the Cross worn by a venerable brother whom I met at a Masonic gathering ; this brother had for many years filled a high medical post in the Indian service , and was a friend of the late Dr . James Burnes , LL . D .,

F . R . S ., whose book on the Templars and Hospitallers is well known ; I have no doubt that this brother had possessed bis Red Cross for many years . A brother in the province of Lancaster , fully competent to afford information , writes me that he can find no trace of the Red Cross of Constantine in Lancashire ; but states that the Cross of St . George of Italy appears upon one Encampment banner of the year 1827 . He also says : — " I remember some years

ago ( say about 1862 ) that a statement was made in the Notes and Queries department of the Freemasons ' Magazine to the effect that the Grand Master of Freemasonry in America had met a chevalier at Malta , and obtained from him his authority to confer the Red Cross of Constantine on such Freemasons as he thought properthe Chevalier reserving only to

him-, self the power of granting diplomas . " If it is possible that such an incident can be true , no doubt the Chevalier also had a reservation in the matter of passage dues . The Red Cross Order now existing in Lancashire is called the Red Cross of Babylon .

I cast no reflection upon Bro . Rod well Wright ; he , no doubt , did what be thought was perfectly correct ; but he was as liable to error as otheis . I repeat that nothing whatever has been said in favour of assuming the Order of the Holy Sepulchre , aud , as this is stated to arise from want of time and space , it must , I suppose , be assumed that the author of the " Sketch " was unable to say anything on the subject from the same cause .

The Orders Of The Red Cross Of Rome And The Holy Sepulchre.

I beg distinctly to observe that I made no reference to the princip les or ceremonies of the Red Cross Order . I have treated its claims historically only , and am willing to suppose that its teachings are all that may be claimed for them . In saying thus much I may remark that R . W . L . in his conclusion reiterates

a statement regarding the ceremonies of his Order , which has not been disputed or called in question , and of which ceremonies I could have no information . Indeed , I presume none hut a member of the Order could have been aware , excepting for R . W . L . ' s present statement , that its ritual commemorates the great

event of the triumph and establishment of our Divine Faith . Let it not , however , be permitted to R . W . L ., or any other writer , to confound an honest desire to search for historic evidence when claims like those of " the Sketch" are put forth , with scepticism and cavilling at the great blessing of our existence . Yours fraternally , Lupus .

Bros. Haye And White.

BROS . HAYE AND WHITE .

TO TEE EDITOR OF THE " FKEEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIBBOB . ' Dear Sir and Brother , —The Masonic zeal of our respected Bros . Haye and White appears to have carried each beyond the line of courtesy due to one another . With other admirers of each of our brethren , I trust they will " kiss and be friends . " The one should not call the other " illogical" in

the face of that fearful test — we are gradually realizing the truth of more and more each day —• " absolute figures , " nor stigmatise his brother as being of the German , & c , school , giving his own explanation as to the special teaching of that school . On the other hand , it should be borne in mind the

desirability of abstaining from an inference , capable of misconstruction , as has been the case in this controversy . I trust , by endeavouring to mediate between our brethren and calling their attention to the fact of the " good of the cause , " prompting each brother to do what he can for the same , I may not incur the crossfire of both , when one would blow my ship out of water . —Yours fraternally , JAMES H . GITTINS -

Masonic Impostors.

MASONIC IMPOSTORS .

TO TUB EDITOB OF THE FHEEMASON 3 * MAGAZINE AND MASO-TIC MIBBOB . Dear Sir and Brother , —Some months ago , your esteemed correspondent , " East Lancashire , " promised to communicate to your pages particulars of some of the cases of attempted imposition which had come under his notice as Almoner , but which have not yet appeared . Many , I feel assuredwill agree

, with me that such information would be highly valuable to the Masters and Almoners of country lodges . A few evenings ago a tramp presented himself at one of our lodge meetings soliciting relief as a brother in distress . He had what purported to be a

certificate from some Irish lodge , written on paper and mounted on linen , but from its dirty and dilapidated condition , it was all but illegible , having evidently done duty for a long time . Its possessor , on being examined by a P . M . proved to be so utterly ignorant of Masonry , that there could be no doubt of his being an arrant impostor . Yours fraternally , D . P . G . M .

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