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Bro . ROSE wished to support the resolution , and thought every true brother would do the same . The difficulty of having three Constitutions does not arise in any other place . Here there is always a great deal of jealousy with regard to the way the Constitutions stood , but be maintained such jealousy should not exist—all should be Masons . The D . Prov . G . M . under the Irish Constitution does not take rank under the English ; now he thought no matter what Constitution conferred rank , that

rank should be acknowledged by all other Constitutions , but this never can be the case while England frames her own law—Ireland frames her own law—Scotland frames her own law- —but this abuse will cease when Victoria frames her laws . The CHAIRMAN , in reply to Bro . Prince : The resolution was intended to test the feelings of the Craft , whether they would merge all difference of constitutions into the constitution of Victoria ; andin framing that resolutionthe committee have

, , deteimined to act legitimately ; but if the heads of the Craft were unfavourable thereto , other steps could be taken ; he would now put the resolution . Carried nem . con . Bro . BRADSHAW proposed : — "That the following brethren , with power to add to their number , be appointed as a committee for the purpose of carrying out the object expressed in

the previous resolution : Bros . M'Clure , Crowell , Levick , Barnes , Ellis , Sydes , Reed , Rose , AVardlaw , Johnson , Thomson , James , Stokes , Bradshaw , and Walsh . " He could not propose the resolution without remark . AA'hen this movement began , some time ago , he wished the three Constitutions to be consulted simultaneously ; and he thought that if such was then clone they would now bo working under the Grand Lodge of Victoria . One circumstance always bore on his mind , that the brethren

had nothing to show for their labours for past years : they had no school to educate their young , nor asylum to maintain their old and infirm . In Dublin , the Craft supported a . school where thirty-five female orphans , and a larger number of boys , were taken care of and educated ; and this was done , not as a charity , but as a duty , and it is very well known that several educated in that school had risen and obtained respectable positions in life ; here we cannot do this , as our funds must be sent home , from whence we derive no "benefit . Some persons think

our lodge funds are wasted in eating and drinking . Ho hoped that stigma would be removed . He called on his brethren to join heart and hand in the movement . He was adverse to their resolving themselves into a Grand Lodge . He would advise asking the concurrence of the three Provincial Grand Masters , and through them the three Grand Lodges of home , and ask them to acknowledge a sister Grand Lodge of Victoria . If this was done a briht future would be before them . In

cong clusion , he would entreat the brethren not to put their hand on the plough , and then look back to their own disgrace . Bro . LEVICK had the honour to be chairman when a meeting was held to take into consideration the desirability of forming a Grand Lodge of Victoria , and regretted that the meeting then was not open to the Craft or they would have gained the desired end . He referred to Canada , which for a long time

was neglected by the Masonic authorities at home , until at last the Canadian Masons did not ask for but took their independence , ancl the result was found to be that the number of lodges increased in a short time from 50 to 150 . Further , he would state that the Irish and Scotch Constitutions at once acknowledged the independence of their Canadian brethren . The English Constitution was more tardy , but ultimately the

English Grand Master , in a most graceful manner , acknowledged them as a sister Grand Lodg . He had held the position of Provincial Grand Secretary for some time , ancl the amount remitted to the Grand Lodge up to the time of establishing a Provincial Grand Lodge , and whilst he held office , amounted to £ 1200 . If that sum was sunk in a school for the children of Masons , the brethren might well imagine that sum would be

but the beginning of a great undertaking . In London the Craft maintained a large number of children of both sexes and did not educate them for servants , but maintained them until they were apprenticed to useful occupations , and never permitted their orphan children to wear the badge of charity . At Croydon the Craft had established an asylum sixty-four distressed Masons and the wives and widows of Masons . Here in Victoriawith

, the number of Lodges in existence and the numerous attendants on those lodges , a large fund could be raised . If instead of sending the required fees home they were retained for the benefit of those in whom the brethren were interested here , he had much pleasure in seconding the resolution .

Bro . ELLIS thought the brethren had mads up their minds to go heart and soul into the present movement . It now rested with the committee to adopt the proper mode of carrying it out . He thought when the plans of the committee were matured that the brethren should be called together to to affirm their proceedings . This might be also done by submitting to the various lodges the arrangements which might be made by the committee ; and he hoped by the mail for the

month of May some plan would be forwarded to the three Grand Lodges . He agreed with the previous speakers , and thought no attempt should be made to override the authorities placed over them . This was not a hole-and-corner meeting , all the lodges and constitutions were well represented , and he felt that 'in years to come each brother present might look buck with pride to the action that night taken to form a Grand Lodge of Victoria .

Bro . CHAS . WHITE moved an amendment , " That the committee should not have power to add to their numbers . " In the multitude of councillors there was folly ; the three constitutions also should be equally represented . The proposed committee consisted of six English to four Irish and three Scotch Masons ; in fact one of the numbers was an hermaphrodite , a member of any and every constitution . He would also call the attention of the chairman and brethren to the fact that the W . M . ' s of

lodges state that they will not do anything to compromise the constitution under which they act ; and , therefore , all the membeis of the committee must be P . M . 's . The CHAIEMAN explained that tho names of the committee had been selected from those who had signed the requisition calling the meeting , and that only four Scotch P . M . 's appeared on that list . The committee could add another . He also thought if any argument was wanting to show the necessity of

a United Grand Lodge of Victoria , this very dispute would supply it . Bro . HALE , while supporting tho motion , would wish to see the names of Bros . Catlin , I . C ., AAlilsh , S . C ., Crews , E . G ., and Chas . White , E . G ., added to the number . Bro . REED very much regretted that Bro . AA'hite broached the subject of the difference of the Constitutions in the formation of the committee on behalf of the Scotch Masons . He

would say they were satisfied whether the whole committee . were chosen even from one Constitution , ancl that they at presentknew no difference in Constitution , but hoped all would work for the general good . The AV . MASTER , if St . Clair Lodge , declined acting on thecommittee , as he could do nothing detrimental to the Constitution under which he acted yet he must say that he concurred in the movement .

The CHAIRMAN explained that no resolution was before the meeting affecting any Constitution , as the meeting had resolved to ask the assistance of the heads of the three Constitutions in carrying out their desire to form a Grand Lodge of Victoria . The W . Brother then withdrew his objection . He thought a small committee would work better than a large one , ancl he would suggest that a Scotch mason should be added to the list . Bro . BROTHERTON thought it desirable that the committee

should have power to add to their numbers , as a great opposition may arise to the movement , and if the committee could not increase their number they could not ask the assistance of thecountry lodges . Bro . ROSE , in support of the original motion , thought the committee should have power to increase their numbers , or the country lodges miht say they were excluded from all share in

g the movement . Bro . M'GAAN thought it would be requisite to express what number should constitute a quorum , to make the acts of the committee valid . Bro . PRINCE thought when a subject of such great importance would have to be considered by the committeee , not less than seven should be considered a quorum , he would , therefore ,

move that seven to form a quorum , be added to the original resolution . The amendment of Bro . AVhite , that the committee had nopower to add to their number , but that all should be appointed that night , was put , and thaee voted for it . The original resolution with Bro . Prince ' s addition was then put and carried . The CHAIRMAN said he had another matter to bring before the meeting , that was with respect to that vulgar commodity , money ; he thought the brethren present would defray the expenses .

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THE HIDDEN MYSTERIES OF NATURE AND SCIENCE.—PART 3. Article 1
ARCHITECTURE, ITS PURPOSE AND PLACE AMONGST THE ARTS. Article 2
ON THE ART COLLECTIONS AT SOUTH KENSINGTON, CONSIDERED IN REFERENCE TO ARCHITECTURE. Article 5
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 7
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 8
BOOK OF CONSTITUTIONS. Article 9
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 10
THE BOYS' SCHOOL. Article 10
THE GIRLS' SCHOOL. Article 10
METROPOLITAN. Article 10
PROVINCIAL. Article 10
SCOTLAND. Article 13
AUSTRALIA. Article 13
ROYAL ARCH. Article 16
FRIENDSHIP. Article 16
THE QUEEN AND THE SCOTCH FREEMASONS. Article 16
Poetry. Article 17
THE WEEK. Article 17
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Australia.

Bro . ROSE wished to support the resolution , and thought every true brother would do the same . The difficulty of having three Constitutions does not arise in any other place . Here there is always a great deal of jealousy with regard to the way the Constitutions stood , but be maintained such jealousy should not exist—all should be Masons . The D . Prov . G . M . under the Irish Constitution does not take rank under the English ; now he thought no matter what Constitution conferred rank , that

rank should be acknowledged by all other Constitutions , but this never can be the case while England frames her own law—Ireland frames her own law—Scotland frames her own law- —but this abuse will cease when Victoria frames her laws . The CHAIRMAN , in reply to Bro . Prince : The resolution was intended to test the feelings of the Craft , whether they would merge all difference of constitutions into the constitution of Victoria ; andin framing that resolutionthe committee have

, , deteimined to act legitimately ; but if the heads of the Craft were unfavourable thereto , other steps could be taken ; he would now put the resolution . Carried nem . con . Bro . BRADSHAW proposed : — "That the following brethren , with power to add to their number , be appointed as a committee for the purpose of carrying out the object expressed in

the previous resolution : Bros . M'Clure , Crowell , Levick , Barnes , Ellis , Sydes , Reed , Rose , AVardlaw , Johnson , Thomson , James , Stokes , Bradshaw , and Walsh . " He could not propose the resolution without remark . AA'hen this movement began , some time ago , he wished the three Constitutions to be consulted simultaneously ; and he thought that if such was then clone they would now bo working under the Grand Lodge of Victoria . One circumstance always bore on his mind , that the brethren

had nothing to show for their labours for past years : they had no school to educate their young , nor asylum to maintain their old and infirm . In Dublin , the Craft supported a . school where thirty-five female orphans , and a larger number of boys , were taken care of and educated ; and this was done , not as a charity , but as a duty , and it is very well known that several educated in that school had risen and obtained respectable positions in life ; here we cannot do this , as our funds must be sent home , from whence we derive no "benefit . Some persons think

our lodge funds are wasted in eating and drinking . Ho hoped that stigma would be removed . He called on his brethren to join heart and hand in the movement . He was adverse to their resolving themselves into a Grand Lodge . He would advise asking the concurrence of the three Provincial Grand Masters , and through them the three Grand Lodges of home , and ask them to acknowledge a sister Grand Lodge of Victoria . If this was done a briht future would be before them . In

cong clusion , he would entreat the brethren not to put their hand on the plough , and then look back to their own disgrace . Bro . LEVICK had the honour to be chairman when a meeting was held to take into consideration the desirability of forming a Grand Lodge of Victoria , and regretted that the meeting then was not open to the Craft or they would have gained the desired end . He referred to Canada , which for a long time

was neglected by the Masonic authorities at home , until at last the Canadian Masons did not ask for but took their independence , ancl the result was found to be that the number of lodges increased in a short time from 50 to 150 . Further , he would state that the Irish and Scotch Constitutions at once acknowledged the independence of their Canadian brethren . The English Constitution was more tardy , but ultimately the

English Grand Master , in a most graceful manner , acknowledged them as a sister Grand Lodg . He had held the position of Provincial Grand Secretary for some time , ancl the amount remitted to the Grand Lodge up to the time of establishing a Provincial Grand Lodge , and whilst he held office , amounted to £ 1200 . If that sum was sunk in a school for the children of Masons , the brethren might well imagine that sum would be

but the beginning of a great undertaking . In London the Craft maintained a large number of children of both sexes and did not educate them for servants , but maintained them until they were apprenticed to useful occupations , and never permitted their orphan children to wear the badge of charity . At Croydon the Craft had established an asylum sixty-four distressed Masons and the wives and widows of Masons . Here in Victoriawith

, the number of Lodges in existence and the numerous attendants on those lodges , a large fund could be raised . If instead of sending the required fees home they were retained for the benefit of those in whom the brethren were interested here , he had much pleasure in seconding the resolution .

Bro . ELLIS thought the brethren had mads up their minds to go heart and soul into the present movement . It now rested with the committee to adopt the proper mode of carrying it out . He thought when the plans of the committee were matured that the brethren should be called together to to affirm their proceedings . This might be also done by submitting to the various lodges the arrangements which might be made by the committee ; and he hoped by the mail for the

month of May some plan would be forwarded to the three Grand Lodges . He agreed with the previous speakers , and thought no attempt should be made to override the authorities placed over them . This was not a hole-and-corner meeting , all the lodges and constitutions were well represented , and he felt that 'in years to come each brother present might look buck with pride to the action that night taken to form a Grand Lodge of Victoria .

Bro . CHAS . WHITE moved an amendment , " That the committee should not have power to add to their numbers . " In the multitude of councillors there was folly ; the three constitutions also should be equally represented . The proposed committee consisted of six English to four Irish and three Scotch Masons ; in fact one of the numbers was an hermaphrodite , a member of any and every constitution . He would also call the attention of the chairman and brethren to the fact that the W . M . ' s of

lodges state that they will not do anything to compromise the constitution under which they act ; and , therefore , all the membeis of the committee must be P . M . 's . The CHAIEMAN explained that tho names of the committee had been selected from those who had signed the requisition calling the meeting , and that only four Scotch P . M . 's appeared on that list . The committee could add another . He also thought if any argument was wanting to show the necessity of

a United Grand Lodge of Victoria , this very dispute would supply it . Bro . HALE , while supporting tho motion , would wish to see the names of Bros . Catlin , I . C ., AAlilsh , S . C ., Crews , E . G ., and Chas . White , E . G ., added to the number . Bro . REED very much regretted that Bro . AA'hite broached the subject of the difference of the Constitutions in the formation of the committee on behalf of the Scotch Masons . He

would say they were satisfied whether the whole committee . were chosen even from one Constitution , ancl that they at presentknew no difference in Constitution , but hoped all would work for the general good . The AV . MASTER , if St . Clair Lodge , declined acting on thecommittee , as he could do nothing detrimental to the Constitution under which he acted yet he must say that he concurred in the movement .

The CHAIRMAN explained that no resolution was before the meeting affecting any Constitution , as the meeting had resolved to ask the assistance of the heads of the three Constitutions in carrying out their desire to form a Grand Lodge of Victoria . The W . Brother then withdrew his objection . He thought a small committee would work better than a large one , ancl he would suggest that a Scotch mason should be added to the list . Bro . BROTHERTON thought it desirable that the committee

should have power to add to their numbers , as a great opposition may arise to the movement , and if the committee could not increase their number they could not ask the assistance of thecountry lodges . Bro . ROSE , in support of the original motion , thought the committee should have power to increase their numbers , or the country lodges miht say they were excluded from all share in

g the movement . Bro . M'GAAN thought it would be requisite to express what number should constitute a quorum , to make the acts of the committee valid . Bro . PRINCE thought when a subject of such great importance would have to be considered by the committeee , not less than seven should be considered a quorum , he would , therefore ,

move that seven to form a quorum , be added to the original resolution . The amendment of Bro . AVhite , that the committee had nopower to add to their number , but that all should be appointed that night , was put , and thaee voted for it . The original resolution with Bro . Prince ' s addition was then put and carried . The CHAIRMAN said he had another matter to bring before the meeting , that was with respect to that vulgar commodity , money ; he thought the brethren present would defray the expenses .

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