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    Article THE KNIGHTS TEMPLARS. ← Page 4 of 4
    Article MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Page 1 of 1
    Article MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Page 1 of 1
    Article CORRESPONDENCE. Page 1 of 1
    Article PRIORITY OF THE LODGE OF GLASGOW ST. JOHN. Page 1 of 1
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The Knights Templars.

trophe , an epidemic broke out which swept off numbers of the brethren , and other Christians , and the brave William de Carnota , struck by the malady , succumbed and died , after rulin g the Order for the brief space of a year . ( To be continued . )

Masonic Notes And Queries.

MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES .

VISHNU . "The Craft requires in every candidate for its mysteries the tongue of good report , a belief , in the Supreme Being , and of the immortality of the soul . There its requirement ends , and tbe candidate must then follow the faith lie believes in , out of lodge , whether it he that of ChristVishnuor Mahomet . "

, , A correspondent inquires respecting the accuracy of this passage , which he has found in Bro . Anthony Oneal Haye ' s letter , " Freemasonry and Christianity , " page 252 of ths present volume . " Aliquando bonus dormitat . " The faith of YisVmu is the faith of the Hindoo , and the Hindoo must abjure his faith before

he can be received into the English lodge . A correspondent may consult the folloAving commuuications to the Freemasons' Magazine . " The Pantheism of the Hindoos , " vol . xv ., page 150 ; " The Hindoo , the Polynesian , and tlie English Freemason , " Mid , page 168 ; " Hindoos admitted into English Freemasonry , "

ibid , page 348 ; " Hindoos , their written declarations previously to admission into English Freemasonry , " vol . xvi ., page 406 , - " Hindoos—their admission into ¦ Eng lish Freemasonry , " vol . xvii ., page 70 ; and " Bro . Khetter Mohurn Gaugooly , " page 5 of the present volume . —CHAELES PUETON COOPEE .

" MOTHER KILWINNING . As our learned Bro . Purton Cooper ( page 489 ) seems to take it for granted that there was an ¦ " ancient Grand Lodge of Kilwinning " in the fourteenth century , can he point to any proof of , or reason forthe idea that Kilwinning Lodge had really the

, title of Grand prefixed to its name , or any reason why it should have it then , ? We know that the Kilwinning Lodge , now " Mother Kilwinning , " was the parent of many lodges from the seventeenth century downwards , but that is no proof of its being so before that ( e . g ., the Normans were established in

England in the latter half of the eleventh century , hut that is no proof that they were so in the first half ) . There were great alterations in Scotland , in many things , in the sixteenth century- I find , with many a thing that has really a respectable and venerable age , that won't do , and it often gets turned into something incongruous or antediluvian . —W . P . B .

" GOOD TEMPLAES AND THE BED CEOSS KNIGHTS AND KNIGHTS TEMPLAES . The Order of "Good Templars , " referred to by 41 An Observer , " is not of a Masonic character , but a body of total abstainers from intoxicating liquors , who choose to wage war against drunkenness under such a cognomen . Surely that body cannot belong to the " Order of Fools , " as their work is an excellent one , and one with which I hope Bro . Harris is a sympathiser . —W . J . HUGHAN .

Masonic Notes And Queries.

EOBEET DEUCE ( p . 489 ) . Mig ht not King Theodore have presided over the Grand Lodge of Kilwinning , as well as well as Robert Bruce ? Had not either as much to do with Masonry ?•—L .

Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

The Editor ia not responsible for ( he opinion ) expressed by Correspondents . MASONIC ORDERS .

TO THE EDITOR OP Till ! PREEAIASOXS MAGAZIXE AJfD 3 IAS 02 CIC MIEBOB . Dear Sir and Brother , —As " An Observer " says in your valuable MAGAZINE ( p . 493 ) , I was not aware there was an ancient Masonic Order of Fools , and I will try to borrow Chambers ' s " Book of Days , " so as to embody it in the great design . I am very much

obliged to " An Observer " for this very valuable hint , having received very little assistance from brethren and much abuse . I am at present engaged in preparing the rituals , so as to give the Garter and a number of Orders all at once , instead of the candidates being put to the trouble of attending several

times . The charge will be the same . When I consider the great ease and speed with which Orders , degrees , and rituals are now got up , I feel some little encouragement to proceed with my praiseworthy undertaking , although up to this time no person has decidedly come forward to co-operate with me , as I

expected , from the great eagerness to take new Orders of much less antiquity and authenticity than mine , and not so learned , as I shall have the words in Hebrew . Tours fraternally , W . HAEEIS , P . M .

Priority Of The Lodge Of Glasgow St. John.

PRIORITY OF THE LODGE OF GLASGOW ST . JOHN .

TO THE EDITOE OP TIIE EliEBMASOJ-S * MAGAZINE A 2 fD ^ rASONIC MIEBOB . Dear Sir and Brother , —Bro . W . P . Buchan is proceeding with determination in his laudable task , and has made a strong claim on the gratitude of brethren hy his researches and his candour . He has disposed of the charter of Malcolm . It

only remains for him to do the same with the charter of William the Lion . Professor Cosmo Innes has already raised a doubt with regard to the charter having any connection with the Lodge of Glasgow St . John ; on examination he will find it has no connection with Freemasonry , even if it be genuine .

If Freemasonry be believed to be a Craft institution of the Middle Ages , there are many who will accept modern Craft details as ancient landmarks ; hut the features dependent on speculative or free and accepted Masonry constitute tlie true landmarks of our Order , namely , the moral elements , and not the

the external envelope—this being the shell , and the other the kernel . I should speak with some reserve on a subject which is under the consideration of Professor Innes and Bro . Buchan , but the internal evidence is not promising for authenticity . Tours fraternally , R . T .

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THE TOMB OF HIRAM. Article 1
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PRIORITY OF THE LODGE OF GLASGOW ST. JOHN. Article 5
ASONIC MUSIC. Article 6
MASONIC MEMS. Article 7
METROPOLITAN. Article 7
PROVINCIAL. Article 8
CHANNEL ISLANDS. Article 8
MASK MASONRY. Article 9
RED CROSS OF ROME AND CONSTANTINE. Article 9
MASONIC FESTIVITIES. Article 9
YORKSHIRE (NORTH AND EAST.) Article 11
Poetry. Article 12
METROPOLITAN LODGE MEETINGS, ETC., FOR THE WEEK ENDING JULY 4TH, 1868. Article 12
Untitled Article 12
MASONIC LIFEBOAT FUND. Article 12
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 12
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The Knights Templars.

trophe , an epidemic broke out which swept off numbers of the brethren , and other Christians , and the brave William de Carnota , struck by the malady , succumbed and died , after rulin g the Order for the brief space of a year . ( To be continued . )

Masonic Notes And Queries.

MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES .

VISHNU . "The Craft requires in every candidate for its mysteries the tongue of good report , a belief , in the Supreme Being , and of the immortality of the soul . There its requirement ends , and tbe candidate must then follow the faith lie believes in , out of lodge , whether it he that of ChristVishnuor Mahomet . "

, , A correspondent inquires respecting the accuracy of this passage , which he has found in Bro . Anthony Oneal Haye ' s letter , " Freemasonry and Christianity , " page 252 of ths present volume . " Aliquando bonus dormitat . " The faith of YisVmu is the faith of the Hindoo , and the Hindoo must abjure his faith before

he can be received into the English lodge . A correspondent may consult the folloAving commuuications to the Freemasons' Magazine . " The Pantheism of the Hindoos , " vol . xv ., page 150 ; " The Hindoo , the Polynesian , and tlie English Freemason , " Mid , page 168 ; " Hindoos admitted into English Freemasonry , "

ibid , page 348 ; " Hindoos , their written declarations previously to admission into English Freemasonry , " vol . xvi ., page 406 , - " Hindoos—their admission into ¦ Eng lish Freemasonry , " vol . xvii ., page 70 ; and " Bro . Khetter Mohurn Gaugooly , " page 5 of the present volume . —CHAELES PUETON COOPEE .

" MOTHER KILWINNING . As our learned Bro . Purton Cooper ( page 489 ) seems to take it for granted that there was an ¦ " ancient Grand Lodge of Kilwinning " in the fourteenth century , can he point to any proof of , or reason forthe idea that Kilwinning Lodge had really the

, title of Grand prefixed to its name , or any reason why it should have it then , ? We know that the Kilwinning Lodge , now " Mother Kilwinning , " was the parent of many lodges from the seventeenth century downwards , but that is no proof of its being so before that ( e . g ., the Normans were established in

England in the latter half of the eleventh century , hut that is no proof that they were so in the first half ) . There were great alterations in Scotland , in many things , in the sixteenth century- I find , with many a thing that has really a respectable and venerable age , that won't do , and it often gets turned into something incongruous or antediluvian . —W . P . B .

" GOOD TEMPLAES AND THE BED CEOSS KNIGHTS AND KNIGHTS TEMPLAES . The Order of "Good Templars , " referred to by 41 An Observer , " is not of a Masonic character , but a body of total abstainers from intoxicating liquors , who choose to wage war against drunkenness under such a cognomen . Surely that body cannot belong to the " Order of Fools , " as their work is an excellent one , and one with which I hope Bro . Harris is a sympathiser . —W . J . HUGHAN .

Masonic Notes And Queries.

EOBEET DEUCE ( p . 489 ) . Mig ht not King Theodore have presided over the Grand Lodge of Kilwinning , as well as well as Robert Bruce ? Had not either as much to do with Masonry ?•—L .

Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

The Editor ia not responsible for ( he opinion ) expressed by Correspondents . MASONIC ORDERS .

TO THE EDITOR OP Till ! PREEAIASOXS MAGAZIXE AJfD 3 IAS 02 CIC MIEBOB . Dear Sir and Brother , —As " An Observer " says in your valuable MAGAZINE ( p . 493 ) , I was not aware there was an ancient Masonic Order of Fools , and I will try to borrow Chambers ' s " Book of Days , " so as to embody it in the great design . I am very much

obliged to " An Observer " for this very valuable hint , having received very little assistance from brethren and much abuse . I am at present engaged in preparing the rituals , so as to give the Garter and a number of Orders all at once , instead of the candidates being put to the trouble of attending several

times . The charge will be the same . When I consider the great ease and speed with which Orders , degrees , and rituals are now got up , I feel some little encouragement to proceed with my praiseworthy undertaking , although up to this time no person has decidedly come forward to co-operate with me , as I

expected , from the great eagerness to take new Orders of much less antiquity and authenticity than mine , and not so learned , as I shall have the words in Hebrew . Tours fraternally , W . HAEEIS , P . M .

Priority Of The Lodge Of Glasgow St. John.

PRIORITY OF THE LODGE OF GLASGOW ST . JOHN .

TO THE EDITOE OP TIIE EliEBMASOJ-S * MAGAZINE A 2 fD ^ rASONIC MIEBOB . Dear Sir and Brother , —Bro . W . P . Buchan is proceeding with determination in his laudable task , and has made a strong claim on the gratitude of brethren hy his researches and his candour . He has disposed of the charter of Malcolm . It

only remains for him to do the same with the charter of William the Lion . Professor Cosmo Innes has already raised a doubt with regard to the charter having any connection with the Lodge of Glasgow St . John ; on examination he will find it has no connection with Freemasonry , even if it be genuine .

If Freemasonry be believed to be a Craft institution of the Middle Ages , there are many who will accept modern Craft details as ancient landmarks ; hut the features dependent on speculative or free and accepted Masonry constitute tlie true landmarks of our Order , namely , the moral elements , and not the

the external envelope—this being the shell , and the other the kernel . I should speak with some reserve on a subject which is under the consideration of Professor Innes and Bro . Buchan , but the internal evidence is not promising for authenticity . Tours fraternally , R . T .

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