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wickshire , mention is made of the St . Alban's Lodge . It might be worth while to impure what has become of that Lodge . I . have a copy of the quarto edition of Anderson's Constitutions , revised , & c , by Northouck , and published in 1781 . It has been handsomely bound , and has an inscription on the outside , in g ilt letters , " Compliment to St . Alban's Lodge , Birmingham , of Dr . S . Freeman . P . G . S ., London , ' 178 R . "

ItEI- 'KHENCE TO AST ' -. ' . U . ' / . V Tl' .-U'T WANTED . Where can I be favoured with a perusal of an early tract , mentioned in one of Dr . Oliver's books , as published in 1 O 70 , aud entitled A . Short Analysis of the Uncbanyed Likes and Ceremonies of Frcemasoimi ?"—AV . P .

ANTIQUITIES 03- * YOliK . In the account g iven tinder this head of the Masonic Coffeehouse in York , it is stated that Mr . Blanchard had certain papers in his possession . In reference to this statement we may observe , that Godfrey Higgins's Anacalypsis , ( vol , i ., bk . x ., chap , viii ., sec . 1 , p . 70 S ) , the following passage occurs : — "The documents from which I extracted the above information respecting the York

Masons were given to me b y —Blanchard , Esq ., and transferred by me to the person who now possesses them , and with whom they ought most properly to be placed —his royal highness tlie Duke of Sussex , " —[ Query : In whose custody are they now ?] In the same article , mention is made of a Lodge being hclcl in the crypt of York Minster . The meeting referred to is mentioned by Higgins as having taken place on "the 27 th of May , 1778 , and was the last meeting in the crypt of the Druidical Lodge , or Chapter of lloyal Arch Masons , or Templar Encampment . — SENEX .

WAS TIIE DUKE OF WELLINGTON A FREEMASON ? Among the numerous appointments , titles , and orders of the great Duke of AYellington , can you tell me if he at any time belonged to our fraternity?—IN-QUIBER . —[ In the Freemasons ' Calendar , printed under the sanction of the Grand Lodge of Dublin , for the years 1818 to 1850 , there appears in each volume a- portion headed "Traditional and Recorded Information

respecting the Order of Freemasons ; " but this was omitted in the publication for 1 S 57 , and whether it has been so since we cannot say , not having the books to refer to . In all the years above mentioned , from 1848 to 1850 , the following- statement is made : — " 1790 . The Duke of Kent initiated ; and , December 7 th , the Duke of Wellington initiated in No . 401 , at Trim , of which Lodge his grace ' s father the Earl of Morning-ton and his brother the

Marquis Wcllesley hacl been Masters . " A well informed brother , whom we hold in great respect , has stated to us that lie remembers a characteristic letter from the Duke appearing in some newspaper or periodical , in which his grace denied all knowledge of the Craft , or having at any time been made a Mason . Feeling anxious to oblige "Inquirer , " wc have put his query to all whom ive supposed likely to throw any liht on the subject of its authenticitybut

g , without avail ; nor can wc trace No . 191 among the Irish Lodges , or even find that there was a Lodge existing at any time afc Trim . Perhaps some of our Irish brethren maybe able to set this matter ri ght , by proving to us the correctness or incorrectness of the authority quoted . —Eo . ]

INTRODUCTION OE . MASONRY INTO ENGLAND AND I 11 ELAN 1 ) . Both in and out of the Craft the "Remarkable Occurrences in -Masonry , " ivhich is yearly perpetuated in our Calendar and . Pocket Booh , has met with much ridicule , on account of the gratuitous assumption of some ofthe statements put forth being , if not positively untrue , at least impossible of proof . But while the English Masons have modestly attributed to St . Alban , the protomartyr of

Britain , the honour of having "formed the first Grand Lodge , A-i ) . 287 , " it appears we are far more modern than our brethren of the sister kingdom . In perusing their portion of "The Traditional and Recorded History ofthe Irish Constitutions , selected from Ancient Authors , and from the Archives of the Grand Lodge , " printed year by year iu the Dublin Freemasons' Calendar , the first paragraph states , " . JI . 278 li . The Phoenicians are

supposed to have settled A . C . 1261 , in Ireland , and Masonry to have been introduced hy Heber and ilcremon , sons of ' Milcsius , succeeded byEochaid , styled the Ollamh Fodhla , or Learned Doctor , p ( A - c- 709 ) constituted triennial meetings at Tarah in Meath . Rut the constant warfare and aggressions of the Danes destroyed the ancient records and discouraged all sciences , though the eastern round towers and minarets which still exist testifthe

y labours of the era , corroborated by the opinions of Strabo , of ' ° US Siculus , and b y the Sanconiathon , referred to by Sir tnlham Betham , in his second volume of Elruria Celtica , assimilating the Masonic rites with the mysteries of jrfnothrace , and

with the Gobhan Saor , or free smith of Ireland , A . D . 300 , St . Albans obtained the first royal charter for "Assemblies or Huttes of Masons to beholden in England . ( Preston ' s Illustrations . ) A . I > . 872 , Alfred the Great promoted the Order , and the art much prospered . According to Bede , Alfred was initiated at the College in Mayo ; and the letter of Eric , a celebrated philosopher of Auxerre , to Charles the Bald , about the middle of tlie ninth

century , designated the Irish philosophers ' Servants of the ivise Solomon . '" How are the discrepancies of the dates between the English and Irish Calendars to be reconciled ?—G . B . —[ AA ' e are totall y unable to reconcile these statements with tbe generally received history of the times in question . The looseness ofthe Irish Calendar ' s account may be tested by tho following : —It is there asserted that Preston is the authority for the date A . D . 30 G ;

now Preston says , in speaking of St . Alban ( not St . Albans ) , "He was converted to the Christian faith , and , in the tenth and last persecution of the Christians , was beheaded , A . D . 303 . So also , Alban Butler ' s Lives of the Saints , where the 26 th of June is dedicated to his commemoration ; and the Rev . Dr . Giles's edition of Bede ' s Works . In the passage about Alfred's initiation at the College in Mayois another gross blunder . Bede could not have

, written about Alfred , as he ( Bede ) died 104 years before Alfred was born ! Bede was born A . D . G 73 , and died 735 . Alfred tbe Great was born A . D . 810 , and died ( 101 ! AVell may our correspondent allude to the ridicule brought on our Order through the historically false dates assigned to various events and jiersons , who we believe to have / been totally unconnected with our Craft . It is time such delusions were swent away . ]

ETYMOLOGY OF THE WORD " . MASON . " Your contemporaryjjilie Athenwnm , in one of the April number ? of the ]) resent year ( p . 578 ) , writes thus while reviewing- a work : —• " Wc remember a case iu -which the true etymology has been forgotten , and the subject , noble in itself , has suffered decrease oi dignity by this obliviousness . AVe allude to the alleged British derivation ofthe word 'Freemason . ' It is said that one of the

many titles of the Druids was May's Ons , or Men of May—the May-pole having been a standard or symbol of Drnidism—Freemasonry , as derived from Drnidism , has therefore forgotten its etymology ; indeed has forgotten its orig in itself , and vulgarized May's Ons into Masons , by which the prosaic fact and the poetical sentiment equally suffer . " The above , I dare say , is thought yery clever and original , but it appears to me very far fetched , and

unworthy ofthe least confidence . Can you inform me where the reviewer found such an authority , oris it truly an original idea?—IXVESTIGATOU . —[" Investigator" need hardly be told that the Masons do not derive their foundation from the Druids , nor litis Masonry forgotten itself . The writer in the Athencemn appears to have been reading Cleland ' s tivo essays , The Way lo Things hy Wordsand The , Heal Secret of the FreemasonsSvo ., London , 1700 '

, , —a work which advocates a Celtic derivation for most words , and among others will be found the term "Mason" with the above etymology , and reasons in support of its correctness . See a very much more intelligible and probable derivation in the Freemasons ' Mii'iadne ( vol . vi . p . , ' 3351 .

A NOTE lU-lOLTNE !) . Our correspondent " Civis , " who sends us a note for insertion , seems to have misunderstood our explanation in a late number , AVe deal only ivith historical , antiquarian , literary , and biograp hical matters . Personalities are not included ; particularly when they would lead to wounding the feelings of a brother . For this reason , the note forwarded by " Civis , " cannot be inserted . —Eo .

EXTINCTION- OP A LE . UI . VI'I ) BOD V . —A meeting had been fixed to take place at Valines this summer , of the learned in the national lore oi all the remaining branches of the Celtic family in Great Britain , Ireland , and France , nuclei- the auspices of the Archaeological Association oi Brittany , of which the Yieointo de Villemarque was the distinguished president . Various schemes of hospitality , research . , and consultation ivere founded ou this arrangement , and it was anticipated that the conmight have thrown additional liht ethnologyhistory

gress some gon , , and language . ' ¦ ' But all these amenities have been annihilated by a blow . The Minister of the Interior has been led to perceive the inconsistency of such proceedings with a certain law against associations in general , which law was made in 18-52 , shortly .-ifter the coup d ' etat . The peaceful Bretons , who loved arehaiology , and meddled not in polities , found one morning iu their family newspapers a brief cirri ! , declaring , ill magisterial language , that the association was dissolved . " This

society , which was founded sixteen years ago , under tho patronage of Louis Philippe , contained two sections , one of agriculture , and the other of archaeology , and during its existence several valuable ivories have been contributed by its members ,

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FALLACIOUS VIEWS OF THE CRAFT. Article 1
VOICES FROM RUINS. Article 3
RANDOM THOUGHTS. Article 5
MASONRY IN FRANCE. Article 6
THE OBJECT OF FREEMASONRY. Article 7
OLD ROCHESTER BRIDGE. Article 7
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 7
Poetry. Article 10
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 10
THE STORY OF CHICHESTER CROSS. Article 12
ARCHEOLOGY. Article 12
Literature. Article 13
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 14
ROYAL ARCH. Article 17
SCOTLAND. Article 17
COLONIAL. Article 17
INDIA. Article 18
AMERICA. Article 18
THE WEEK. Article 19
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Masonic Notes And Queries.

wickshire , mention is made of the St . Alban's Lodge . It might be worth while to impure what has become of that Lodge . I . have a copy of the quarto edition of Anderson's Constitutions , revised , & c , by Northouck , and published in 1781 . It has been handsomely bound , and has an inscription on the outside , in g ilt letters , " Compliment to St . Alban's Lodge , Birmingham , of Dr . S . Freeman . P . G . S ., London , ' 178 R . "

ItEI- 'KHENCE TO AST ' -. ' . U . ' / . V Tl' .-U'T WANTED . Where can I be favoured with a perusal of an early tract , mentioned in one of Dr . Oliver's books , as published in 1 O 70 , aud entitled A . Short Analysis of the Uncbanyed Likes and Ceremonies of Frcemasoimi ?"—AV . P .

ANTIQUITIES 03- * YOliK . In the account g iven tinder this head of the Masonic Coffeehouse in York , it is stated that Mr . Blanchard had certain papers in his possession . In reference to this statement we may observe , that Godfrey Higgins's Anacalypsis , ( vol , i ., bk . x ., chap , viii ., sec . 1 , p . 70 S ) , the following passage occurs : — "The documents from which I extracted the above information respecting the York

Masons were given to me b y —Blanchard , Esq ., and transferred by me to the person who now possesses them , and with whom they ought most properly to be placed —his royal highness tlie Duke of Sussex , " —[ Query : In whose custody are they now ?] In the same article , mention is made of a Lodge being hclcl in the crypt of York Minster . The meeting referred to is mentioned by Higgins as having taken place on "the 27 th of May , 1778 , and was the last meeting in the crypt of the Druidical Lodge , or Chapter of lloyal Arch Masons , or Templar Encampment . — SENEX .

WAS TIIE DUKE OF WELLINGTON A FREEMASON ? Among the numerous appointments , titles , and orders of the great Duke of AYellington , can you tell me if he at any time belonged to our fraternity?—IN-QUIBER . —[ In the Freemasons ' Calendar , printed under the sanction of the Grand Lodge of Dublin , for the years 1818 to 1850 , there appears in each volume a- portion headed "Traditional and Recorded Information

respecting the Order of Freemasons ; " but this was omitted in the publication for 1 S 57 , and whether it has been so since we cannot say , not having the books to refer to . In all the years above mentioned , from 1848 to 1850 , the following- statement is made : — " 1790 . The Duke of Kent initiated ; and , December 7 th , the Duke of Wellington initiated in No . 401 , at Trim , of which Lodge his grace ' s father the Earl of Morning-ton and his brother the

Marquis Wcllesley hacl been Masters . " A well informed brother , whom we hold in great respect , has stated to us that lie remembers a characteristic letter from the Duke appearing in some newspaper or periodical , in which his grace denied all knowledge of the Craft , or having at any time been made a Mason . Feeling anxious to oblige "Inquirer , " wc have put his query to all whom ive supposed likely to throw any liht on the subject of its authenticitybut

g , without avail ; nor can wc trace No . 191 among the Irish Lodges , or even find that there was a Lodge existing at any time afc Trim . Perhaps some of our Irish brethren maybe able to set this matter ri ght , by proving to us the correctness or incorrectness of the authority quoted . —Eo . ]

INTRODUCTION OE . MASONRY INTO ENGLAND AND I 11 ELAN 1 ) . Both in and out of the Craft the "Remarkable Occurrences in -Masonry , " ivhich is yearly perpetuated in our Calendar and . Pocket Booh , has met with much ridicule , on account of the gratuitous assumption of some ofthe statements put forth being , if not positively untrue , at least impossible of proof . But while the English Masons have modestly attributed to St . Alban , the protomartyr of

Britain , the honour of having "formed the first Grand Lodge , A-i ) . 287 , " it appears we are far more modern than our brethren of the sister kingdom . In perusing their portion of "The Traditional and Recorded History ofthe Irish Constitutions , selected from Ancient Authors , and from the Archives of the Grand Lodge , " printed year by year iu the Dublin Freemasons' Calendar , the first paragraph states , " . JI . 278 li . The Phoenicians are

supposed to have settled A . C . 1261 , in Ireland , and Masonry to have been introduced hy Heber and ilcremon , sons of ' Milcsius , succeeded byEochaid , styled the Ollamh Fodhla , or Learned Doctor , p ( A - c- 709 ) constituted triennial meetings at Tarah in Meath . Rut the constant warfare and aggressions of the Danes destroyed the ancient records and discouraged all sciences , though the eastern round towers and minarets which still exist testifthe

y labours of the era , corroborated by the opinions of Strabo , of ' ° US Siculus , and b y the Sanconiathon , referred to by Sir tnlham Betham , in his second volume of Elruria Celtica , assimilating the Masonic rites with the mysteries of jrfnothrace , and

with the Gobhan Saor , or free smith of Ireland , A . D . 300 , St . Albans obtained the first royal charter for "Assemblies or Huttes of Masons to beholden in England . ( Preston ' s Illustrations . ) A . I > . 872 , Alfred the Great promoted the Order , and the art much prospered . According to Bede , Alfred was initiated at the College in Mayo ; and the letter of Eric , a celebrated philosopher of Auxerre , to Charles the Bald , about the middle of tlie ninth

century , designated the Irish philosophers ' Servants of the ivise Solomon . '" How are the discrepancies of the dates between the English and Irish Calendars to be reconciled ?—G . B . —[ AA ' e are totall y unable to reconcile these statements with tbe generally received history of the times in question . The looseness ofthe Irish Calendar ' s account may be tested by tho following : —It is there asserted that Preston is the authority for the date A . D . 30 G ;

now Preston says , in speaking of St . Alban ( not St . Albans ) , "He was converted to the Christian faith , and , in the tenth and last persecution of the Christians , was beheaded , A . D . 303 . So also , Alban Butler ' s Lives of the Saints , where the 26 th of June is dedicated to his commemoration ; and the Rev . Dr . Giles's edition of Bede ' s Works . In the passage about Alfred's initiation at the College in Mayois another gross blunder . Bede could not have

, written about Alfred , as he ( Bede ) died 104 years before Alfred was born ! Bede was born A . D . G 73 , and died 735 . Alfred tbe Great was born A . D . 810 , and died ( 101 ! AVell may our correspondent allude to the ridicule brought on our Order through the historically false dates assigned to various events and jiersons , who we believe to have / been totally unconnected with our Craft . It is time such delusions were swent away . ]

ETYMOLOGY OF THE WORD " . MASON . " Your contemporaryjjilie Athenwnm , in one of the April number ? of the ]) resent year ( p . 578 ) , writes thus while reviewing- a work : —• " Wc remember a case iu -which the true etymology has been forgotten , and the subject , noble in itself , has suffered decrease oi dignity by this obliviousness . AVe allude to the alleged British derivation ofthe word 'Freemason . ' It is said that one of the

many titles of the Druids was May's Ons , or Men of May—the May-pole having been a standard or symbol of Drnidism—Freemasonry , as derived from Drnidism , has therefore forgotten its etymology ; indeed has forgotten its orig in itself , and vulgarized May's Ons into Masons , by which the prosaic fact and the poetical sentiment equally suffer . " The above , I dare say , is thought yery clever and original , but it appears to me very far fetched , and

unworthy ofthe least confidence . Can you inform me where the reviewer found such an authority , oris it truly an original idea?—IXVESTIGATOU . —[" Investigator" need hardly be told that the Masons do not derive their foundation from the Druids , nor litis Masonry forgotten itself . The writer in the Athencemn appears to have been reading Cleland ' s tivo essays , The Way lo Things hy Wordsand The , Heal Secret of the FreemasonsSvo ., London , 1700 '

, , —a work which advocates a Celtic derivation for most words , and among others will be found the term "Mason" with the above etymology , and reasons in support of its correctness . See a very much more intelligible and probable derivation in the Freemasons ' Mii'iadne ( vol . vi . p . , ' 3351 .

A NOTE lU-lOLTNE !) . Our correspondent " Civis , " who sends us a note for insertion , seems to have misunderstood our explanation in a late number , AVe deal only ivith historical , antiquarian , literary , and biograp hical matters . Personalities are not included ; particularly when they would lead to wounding the feelings of a brother . For this reason , the note forwarded by " Civis , " cannot be inserted . —Eo .

EXTINCTION- OP A LE . UI . VI'I ) BOD V . —A meeting had been fixed to take place at Valines this summer , of the learned in the national lore oi all the remaining branches of the Celtic family in Great Britain , Ireland , and France , nuclei- the auspices of the Archaeological Association oi Brittany , of which the Yieointo de Villemarque was the distinguished president . Various schemes of hospitality , research . , and consultation ivere founded ou this arrangement , and it was anticipated that the conmight have thrown additional liht ethnologyhistory

gress some gon , , and language . ' ¦ ' But all these amenities have been annihilated by a blow . The Minister of the Interior has been led to perceive the inconsistency of such proceedings with a certain law against associations in general , which law was made in 18-52 , shortly .-ifter the coup d ' etat . The peaceful Bretons , who loved arehaiology , and meddled not in polities , found one morning iu their family newspapers a brief cirri ! , declaring , ill magisterial language , that the association was dissolved . " This

society , which was founded sixteen years ago , under tho patronage of Louis Philippe , contained two sections , one of agriculture , and the other of archaeology , and during its existence several valuable ivories have been contributed by its members ,

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