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tions , stars , titles , and colonels' commissions . As this is a simple historical matter , there is not much difficulty in settling it . Prince Skanderbeg who appears before Europe to liberate eleven millions of Christians from the Mussulman yoke must be sufficiently a public character for his personal history to be known .

Messrs . Loewenstark cannot be responsible for the romances of Dumas ; but they will not be offended to be told that it is nothing but humbug for Dumas or Skanderbeg to talk of Skanderbeg liberating eleven millions of Christians . ' The greater part of the eleven millions are under Christian princeswho

, would put Skanderbeg in the stocks were he to appear in their territories . The Prince of Eoumania has four millions of the Christians , the Prince of Servia another million , the Princes of Montenegro , Samos , and the Myrdites smaller numbers . As the eleven millions of Christians are nearly all of the Greek

religion , they do uot want to be interfered with by a heretic ; and of tbe small number of Christians who ¦ are Eoman Catholics , and who are chiefl y Albanians , they are under Bib Doda Pa 3 ha , the Prince of the Myrdites . These Eoman Catholic Albanians carry

arms and pay no taxes to the Sultan , and if any Prince Skanderbeg appeared at Durazzo would be the . first to march against him . There can be little doubt the rest of the Christian Albanians would do the same , and the Christians generally in Turkey have an . antipathy to a stranger and a heretic . So farthereforefrom there being any current

, , newspaper historical evidence of any Prince Skander-• beg ' s participation in the numerous insurrectionary movements in European Turkey , the newspaper evidence is of a very different character . If , however , Messrs . Loewenstark ' s customer had happened to be an actual Panariote prince there like

L'rince Tpsilanti , Prince Vogorides , & c , it has never been the custom of these gentlemen whenremoved from their Governments to give away decorations and appoint " Medallists to H . E . H . " "Were it so , Paris would swarm with tradesmen to these Panariote Prince . One more matter remainsDurazzo is a very far

, address if this is the Prince Skanderbeg from whom . ur brother seeks payment . Tours fraternally , A MASON .

TO THE EDITOE OF THE FHEE 3 XASOX 5 ItAGAZIXE A > 'D ATAS 02 * IC AlIEEOE . Dear Sir and Brother , —After the satisfactory and conclusive explanations of Messrs . Loewenstark ia your columns , all controversy about H . E . H . Prince Skanderbeg will most likely cease . Should it not do so , there is a very easy means of settling the matter . H . E . H . does not appear to have an ambassador or

consul here , as the Provisional Government at Durazzo has not yet been recognised by her Majesty ' s Government any more than the Confederate States of America . There are , however , English consuls and consular agents thronghout Albania . H . B . M . ' s ¦ Consul at JaninaMajor Stuart , could inform us on

, application of the strength of H . E . H . ' s army and navy , and his title to the rights of a belligerent . Better still , the Austrians have a consul at Durazzo , but I suspect , from the " A lmanac de Gotha , " he is

not accredited to H . E . H ., but to the oppressor of H . E . H . and his brother Christians , the Sultan of Turkey . Mr . Eeade is her Majesty ' s Consul at Scutari , and at Oroya there is a consular ageut , so that something can be learned about the Prince ' s territory or estates . Tours fraternally

, P . C . TO THE EDITOR ON THE FftHEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . Dear Sir and Brother , —Is Prince Skanderbeg a Mason ? If not , what has he to do with Masonic jewels , or what has Masonic jewellers or jewellery to

do with him ? If he is a Mason , where does he hail from , and under what Constitution was he initiated , where and when ? In Southern Italy ( Calabria , Sicily , & e . ) princes , dukes , and counts are as plentiful as blackberries , and tbey are generally very patrioticand very often very

, poor , with nothing but their titles and their wits , with which they travel , and make the most of whenever they do . If they are educated ( and many of these princes cannot read or write ) , and they travel , they are generally engaged in some such Christian and chivalrous occupation as that in which I gather

, from the letters you have permitted to be published , H . E . H . the Prince S . is now engaged in . I well remember once meeting with a prince ( some years ago ) with whom I travelled by land and sea for many days , and who , in return for some trifling advances , and for financial facilities which I was ( fortunately or

otherwise ) enabled to afford him during the time , kindly proposed to confer upon me the rank of a general , the title of count , aud the decorations of several orders ( more or less ancient ) . The military uniforms of the princely staff were designed from really handsome French models ; so too with the decorations . The titles offered were to be conveyed by splendidly

illuminated documents on vellum , with seals , & c . Alas , I was obliged to decline the proposed return , splendid as no doubt it was , for such mere banking facilities , though sought by a noble Prince from an ordinary mortal such as I was travelling for pleasure in foreign lands with a " circular letter" from the Lnion Bank of London . Mnoble Prince could

y never understand why Englishmen generally set so little value upon such brilliant offers , so handsomely conveyed- but he added , " Tou are not all so , even in England , for I have the great honour of numbering amongst those of your countrymen on whom I have conferred distinction I count many of the most noble

spirits of the age ; and in Prance—ah ! in Prance they do honour and appreciate me and my cause thoroughly . Why , noble Signor Inglese , I shall , when I take the field ( and in two or three years things will le ripe ) you will see in my ranks thousands of noblemen you know . " Sir , I will not pursue the matter much further , but

this I must add ( though it may be announced as an exposure of juvenile weakness ) my noble Prince suddenly and without notice quitted my society , no doubt disgusted with my stolid indifference to honours , titles , and decorations , and , to mark his displeasure , left his hotel bill unpaid , and also the fifty odd pounds he had temporarily required for his immediate wants during the unlooked-for absence of his chancellor of the exchequer .

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AN ANALYSIS OF ANCIENT AND MODERN FREEMASONRY. Article 1
(No. II.)—LES ATELIERS DU GRANDORIENT. Article 5
THE KNIGHTS TEMPLARS. Article 7
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 9
MASONIC EXCHANGE. Article 10
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 10
FREEMASONRY AND CHRISTIANITY. Article 12
MASONRY IN FRANCE. Article 13
THE TENDENCY OF SOME CORRESPONDENCE. Article 14
MASONIC KNIGHTS OF CONSTANTINOPLE. Article 14
LODGE OF INSTRUCTION FOR GLASGOW. Article 14
THE M.W. BRO. ROBERT MORRIS, L.L.D., &c Article 15
CONFIRMATION OF LODGE MINUTES. Article 15
ILLUSTEATION OF FINCH'S TRACING BOARD. Article 15
MASONIC MEM. Article 17
METROPOLITAN. Article 17
PROVINCIAL. Article 17
SCOTLAND. Article 18
ROYAL ARCH. Article 18
MARK MASONRY. Article 19
KNIGHTS TEMPLARS. Article 19
CHESHIRE EDUCATIONAL MASONIC INSTITUTION. Article 19
HER MAJESTY'S THEATRE AND BRO. S. MAY Article 20
MASONIC LIFEBOAT FUND. Article 20
MEETINGS OF THE LEARNED SOCIETIES FOR THE WEEK ENDING APRIL 4TH, 1868. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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tions , stars , titles , and colonels' commissions . As this is a simple historical matter , there is not much difficulty in settling it . Prince Skanderbeg who appears before Europe to liberate eleven millions of Christians from the Mussulman yoke must be sufficiently a public character for his personal history to be known .

Messrs . Loewenstark cannot be responsible for the romances of Dumas ; but they will not be offended to be told that it is nothing but humbug for Dumas or Skanderbeg to talk of Skanderbeg liberating eleven millions of Christians . ' The greater part of the eleven millions are under Christian princeswho

, would put Skanderbeg in the stocks were he to appear in their territories . The Prince of Eoumania has four millions of the Christians , the Prince of Servia another million , the Princes of Montenegro , Samos , and the Myrdites smaller numbers . As the eleven millions of Christians are nearly all of the Greek

religion , they do uot want to be interfered with by a heretic ; and of tbe small number of Christians who ¦ are Eoman Catholics , and who are chiefl y Albanians , they are under Bib Doda Pa 3 ha , the Prince of the Myrdites . These Eoman Catholic Albanians carry

arms and pay no taxes to the Sultan , and if any Prince Skanderbeg appeared at Durazzo would be the . first to march against him . There can be little doubt the rest of the Christian Albanians would do the same , and the Christians generally in Turkey have an . antipathy to a stranger and a heretic . So farthereforefrom there being any current

, , newspaper historical evidence of any Prince Skander-• beg ' s participation in the numerous insurrectionary movements in European Turkey , the newspaper evidence is of a very different character . If , however , Messrs . Loewenstark ' s customer had happened to be an actual Panariote prince there like

L'rince Tpsilanti , Prince Vogorides , & c , it has never been the custom of these gentlemen whenremoved from their Governments to give away decorations and appoint " Medallists to H . E . H . " "Were it so , Paris would swarm with tradesmen to these Panariote Prince . One more matter remainsDurazzo is a very far

, address if this is the Prince Skanderbeg from whom . ur brother seeks payment . Tours fraternally , A MASON .

TO THE EDITOE OF THE FHEE 3 XASOX 5 ItAGAZIXE A > 'D ATAS 02 * IC AlIEEOE . Dear Sir and Brother , —After the satisfactory and conclusive explanations of Messrs . Loewenstark ia your columns , all controversy about H . E . H . Prince Skanderbeg will most likely cease . Should it not do so , there is a very easy means of settling the matter . H . E . H . does not appear to have an ambassador or

consul here , as the Provisional Government at Durazzo has not yet been recognised by her Majesty ' s Government any more than the Confederate States of America . There are , however , English consuls and consular agents thronghout Albania . H . B . M . ' s ¦ Consul at JaninaMajor Stuart , could inform us on

, application of the strength of H . E . H . ' s army and navy , and his title to the rights of a belligerent . Better still , the Austrians have a consul at Durazzo , but I suspect , from the " A lmanac de Gotha , " he is

not accredited to H . E . H ., but to the oppressor of H . E . H . and his brother Christians , the Sultan of Turkey . Mr . Eeade is her Majesty ' s Consul at Scutari , and at Oroya there is a consular ageut , so that something can be learned about the Prince ' s territory or estates . Tours fraternally

, P . C . TO THE EDITOR ON THE FftHEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . Dear Sir and Brother , —Is Prince Skanderbeg a Mason ? If not , what has he to do with Masonic jewels , or what has Masonic jewellers or jewellery to

do with him ? If he is a Mason , where does he hail from , and under what Constitution was he initiated , where and when ? In Southern Italy ( Calabria , Sicily , & e . ) princes , dukes , and counts are as plentiful as blackberries , and tbey are generally very patrioticand very often very

, poor , with nothing but their titles and their wits , with which they travel , and make the most of whenever they do . If they are educated ( and many of these princes cannot read or write ) , and they travel , they are generally engaged in some such Christian and chivalrous occupation as that in which I gather

, from the letters you have permitted to be published , H . E . H . the Prince S . is now engaged in . I well remember once meeting with a prince ( some years ago ) with whom I travelled by land and sea for many days , and who , in return for some trifling advances , and for financial facilities which I was ( fortunately or

otherwise ) enabled to afford him during the time , kindly proposed to confer upon me the rank of a general , the title of count , aud the decorations of several orders ( more or less ancient ) . The military uniforms of the princely staff were designed from really handsome French models ; so too with the decorations . The titles offered were to be conveyed by splendidly

illuminated documents on vellum , with seals , & c . Alas , I was obliged to decline the proposed return , splendid as no doubt it was , for such mere banking facilities , though sought by a noble Prince from an ordinary mortal such as I was travelling for pleasure in foreign lands with a " circular letter" from the Lnion Bank of London . Mnoble Prince could

y never understand why Englishmen generally set so little value upon such brilliant offers , so handsomely conveyed- but he added , " Tou are not all so , even in England , for I have the great honour of numbering amongst those of your countrymen on whom I have conferred distinction I count many of the most noble

spirits of the age ; and in Prance—ah ! in Prance they do honour and appreciate me and my cause thoroughly . Why , noble Signor Inglese , I shall , when I take the field ( and in two or three years things will le ripe ) you will see in my ranks thousands of noblemen you know . " Sir , I will not pursue the matter much further , but

this I must add ( though it may be announced as an exposure of juvenile weakness ) my noble Prince suddenly and without notice quitted my society , no doubt disgusted with my stolid indifference to honours , titles , and decorations , and , to mark his displeasure , left his hotel bill unpaid , and also the fifty odd pounds he had temporarily required for his immediate wants during the unlooked-for absence of his chancellor of the exchequer .

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