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Freemasonry And Christianity.

men , ages before the coming of Christ . Christianity —and other faiths—and Preemasonry differ in this respect . The first look beyond the grave to a settled hereafter . Preemasonry insists upon her sons Jiving such lives on earth as to render them good and useful members of society , hut does not teach what the

hereafter is to consist of . That she leaves to the religious faith of each . But every Preemason swears obedience to the Grand Lodge Constitutions ; and our religious belief , as Freemasons , is summed up in the first charge . Let us not remove our landmarks , neither change our princilesbut still be our motto , " Glory

p , to God in the hi g hest , peace on earth , and good will to all men . " Tours fraternally , ANTHONY ONEAL HAYE .

Masonry In France.

MASONRY IN FRANCE .

TO THE EDITOR OF THE I'REE-. tASOJJ ' S MAGAZI-TE AND ATASOXIO MlEKOTi . Dear Sir and Brother , —The correspondent who has given you information under the head of " Le Grand Orient de Prance " as to Masonry in Prance has very much misled you , particularly with regard to the Supreme Council ; but in setting this ri ght I

have no intention of casting any reflection on the Grand Orient , as I have the honour to be a member of both bodies since thirty years . The Grand Orient is not , so far as I am aware , the recognised Masonic body in the Grand Lodges of Great Britain . The Grand Lodge of England has no

representative either from the Grand Orient or the Supreme Council . I have often advocated the recognition ; but the answer I have been met with is that Prance is in schism , and that , therefore , neither can be recognised . If either be legitimate , this nonrecognition must be a great wrong to that one ; but

, as I believe , as a question of Masonic jurisprudence each is legitimate , and entitled to be recognised in its Craft capacity . The non-recognition is further impolitic ; and it is this studied contempt and

nonintercourse which has led the Supreme Council to try the question by not recognising our jurisdiction , and granting a warrant for Jersey , which was clone purel y on this ground . I have long been of opinion that our relations with foreign countries ought not to be left to the Board

of General Purposes , but that there ought to be a Foreign Committee of persons really conversant with Foreign Masonic affairs . After the unfavourable experience of the Colonial Committee , the members of the Foreign Committee ought not to be chosen by Grand Lodge , but named by the M . W . G . M . With

the constitution of Grand Lodge it is unreasonable to expect that qualified members should be chosen either for the Colonial or Foreign Boards ; but , on the contrary , members having sufficient influence in Grand Lodge to get themselves named , ignorant of the matters concernedand incompetent to deal with

, them . Thus the responsibility of the nominee members is nullified , whereas the responsibility of these two departments should be thrown wholly on the executive .

¦ Tour correspondent has misled you as to the character and constitution of the two French Masonic bodies . Each is a Craft Grand Lodge , and each is a Supreme Council . Each has recognised the

Masonry In France.

other as a Graft Grand Lodge * . but the Supreme Council does not recognise the recent assumption of the Grand Orient to constitute a Supreme Council The basis of the Grand Orient system in the high degrees is that it does nofc recognise 33 degrees , but abolished a number , reduced the whole to seven , the

highest being the ISfch , and altered the rituals . Each is co-ordinate as a Craft Grand Lodge , each working by different rituals , and when they have been in cooperation , both have sometimes had jurisdiction over the same lodges , a lodge working according to a single riteor according to both . No one acquainted

, with Masonic jurisprudence can doubt that a Craft Lodge working according to the Scotch rite , and giving its certificate under the Symbolic Grand Lodge of the Supreme Council , is as legitimate as any French Craft proceeding of the Grand Orient .

With regard to the greater proportion of lodges belonging to the Supreme Council , I do not accept your correspondent ' s statistics but the greater proportion of the Grand Orient arises from its having the police protection , or " tolerance " of the Government , the Supreme Council being under the ban of the Governmentand its lodges being threatened with

, suppression . Its lodges are , however , of good character , its governors are men of the highest standing ,, and its members include those who protest most fervently against the interference of the Government with the independence of Masonry . Tour correspondent has stated enough to show

that the fault of the unfortunate position of the Grand Orient is not owing to itself , but to acts of despotic tyranny of the French Government to which the Grand Orient has not willingly succumbed . Tour correspondent has omitted to state that the Grand Orientbesides the French ritenow

recog-, , nises the rites of Memphis and Misraim , and if the Supreme Council has allowed a lodge of the Scotch rite to be established by Frenchmen in Jersey , the Grand Orient has the branches of its 99 degrees established in London itself . There is reason to believe

that the matter has now gone so far that a Council of the thirty-third degree has been established in London . This state of affairs is greatly owing to the policy or impolicy pursued of late years by Grand Lodge authorities in regard to foreign matters . The recent decision as to Dutch lodges at the Cape is , to

say the least , anomalous . The secession of the Canadian lodges , now being followed by the other North American lodges , will not arrest the secession of our colonies , and the changes in the Book of Constitutions as to District Grand Lodges will precipitate disunion instead of arresting ifc . If I am not misinformed the

rite of Misraim is spreading in Australia . The able advisers of the M . W . G . M ., however successful they have been in matters of home policy , have certainly not been so abroad , and the future appears more threatening than the past . Without there being any evil intentions on their part , it follows , as

a matter of course , that contempt and neglect will be aggravated under the new arrangements . Under the theory of the old system , the Provincial Grand Officer iu a colony holds local rank , and not general rank . This has always been misunderstood . The Deputy Grand Master , or Warden , did not consider that his true position was not as the functionary of the province , but as the D . G . M . of England , or the

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AN ANALYSIS OF ANCIENT AND MODERN FREEMASONRY. Article 1
(No. II.)—LES ATELIERS DU GRANDORIENT. Article 5
THE KNIGHTS TEMPLARS. Article 7
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 9
MASONIC EXCHANGE. Article 10
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 10
FREEMASONRY AND CHRISTIANITY. Article 12
MASONRY IN FRANCE. Article 13
THE TENDENCY OF SOME CORRESPONDENCE. Article 14
MASONIC KNIGHTS OF CONSTANTINOPLE. Article 14
LODGE OF INSTRUCTION FOR GLASGOW. Article 14
THE M.W. BRO. ROBERT MORRIS, L.L.D., &c Article 15
CONFIRMATION OF LODGE MINUTES. Article 15
ILLUSTEATION OF FINCH'S TRACING BOARD. Article 15
MASONIC MEM. Article 17
METROPOLITAN. Article 17
PROVINCIAL. Article 17
SCOTLAND. Article 18
ROYAL ARCH. Article 18
MARK MASONRY. Article 19
KNIGHTS TEMPLARS. Article 19
CHESHIRE EDUCATIONAL MASONIC INSTITUTION. Article 19
HER MAJESTY'S THEATRE AND BRO. S. MAY Article 20
MASONIC LIFEBOAT FUND. Article 20
MEETINGS OF THE LEARNED SOCIETIES FOR THE WEEK ENDING APRIL 4TH, 1868. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Freemasonry And Christianity.

men , ages before the coming of Christ . Christianity —and other faiths—and Preemasonry differ in this respect . The first look beyond the grave to a settled hereafter . Preemasonry insists upon her sons Jiving such lives on earth as to render them good and useful members of society , hut does not teach what the

hereafter is to consist of . That she leaves to the religious faith of each . But every Preemason swears obedience to the Grand Lodge Constitutions ; and our religious belief , as Freemasons , is summed up in the first charge . Let us not remove our landmarks , neither change our princilesbut still be our motto , " Glory

p , to God in the hi g hest , peace on earth , and good will to all men . " Tours fraternally , ANTHONY ONEAL HAYE .

Masonry In France.

MASONRY IN FRANCE .

TO THE EDITOR OF THE I'REE-. tASOJJ ' S MAGAZI-TE AND ATASOXIO MlEKOTi . Dear Sir and Brother , —The correspondent who has given you information under the head of " Le Grand Orient de Prance " as to Masonry in Prance has very much misled you , particularly with regard to the Supreme Council ; but in setting this ri ght I

have no intention of casting any reflection on the Grand Orient , as I have the honour to be a member of both bodies since thirty years . The Grand Orient is not , so far as I am aware , the recognised Masonic body in the Grand Lodges of Great Britain . The Grand Lodge of England has no

representative either from the Grand Orient or the Supreme Council . I have often advocated the recognition ; but the answer I have been met with is that Prance is in schism , and that , therefore , neither can be recognised . If either be legitimate , this nonrecognition must be a great wrong to that one ; but

, as I believe , as a question of Masonic jurisprudence each is legitimate , and entitled to be recognised in its Craft capacity . The non-recognition is further impolitic ; and it is this studied contempt and

nonintercourse which has led the Supreme Council to try the question by not recognising our jurisdiction , and granting a warrant for Jersey , which was clone purel y on this ground . I have long been of opinion that our relations with foreign countries ought not to be left to the Board

of General Purposes , but that there ought to be a Foreign Committee of persons really conversant with Foreign Masonic affairs . After the unfavourable experience of the Colonial Committee , the members of the Foreign Committee ought not to be chosen by Grand Lodge , but named by the M . W . G . M . With

the constitution of Grand Lodge it is unreasonable to expect that qualified members should be chosen either for the Colonial or Foreign Boards ; but , on the contrary , members having sufficient influence in Grand Lodge to get themselves named , ignorant of the matters concernedand incompetent to deal with

, them . Thus the responsibility of the nominee members is nullified , whereas the responsibility of these two departments should be thrown wholly on the executive .

¦ Tour correspondent has misled you as to the character and constitution of the two French Masonic bodies . Each is a Craft Grand Lodge , and each is a Supreme Council . Each has recognised the

Masonry In France.

other as a Graft Grand Lodge * . but the Supreme Council does not recognise the recent assumption of the Grand Orient to constitute a Supreme Council The basis of the Grand Orient system in the high degrees is that it does nofc recognise 33 degrees , but abolished a number , reduced the whole to seven , the

highest being the ISfch , and altered the rituals . Each is co-ordinate as a Craft Grand Lodge , each working by different rituals , and when they have been in cooperation , both have sometimes had jurisdiction over the same lodges , a lodge working according to a single riteor according to both . No one acquainted

, with Masonic jurisprudence can doubt that a Craft Lodge working according to the Scotch rite , and giving its certificate under the Symbolic Grand Lodge of the Supreme Council , is as legitimate as any French Craft proceeding of the Grand Orient .

With regard to the greater proportion of lodges belonging to the Supreme Council , I do not accept your correspondent ' s statistics but the greater proportion of the Grand Orient arises from its having the police protection , or " tolerance " of the Government , the Supreme Council being under the ban of the Governmentand its lodges being threatened with

, suppression . Its lodges are , however , of good character , its governors are men of the highest standing ,, and its members include those who protest most fervently against the interference of the Government with the independence of Masonry . Tour correspondent has stated enough to show

that the fault of the unfortunate position of the Grand Orient is not owing to itself , but to acts of despotic tyranny of the French Government to which the Grand Orient has not willingly succumbed . Tour correspondent has omitted to state that the Grand Orientbesides the French ritenow

recog-, , nises the rites of Memphis and Misraim , and if the Supreme Council has allowed a lodge of the Scotch rite to be established by Frenchmen in Jersey , the Grand Orient has the branches of its 99 degrees established in London itself . There is reason to believe

that the matter has now gone so far that a Council of the thirty-third degree has been established in London . This state of affairs is greatly owing to the policy or impolicy pursued of late years by Grand Lodge authorities in regard to foreign matters . The recent decision as to Dutch lodges at the Cape is , to

say the least , anomalous . The secession of the Canadian lodges , now being followed by the other North American lodges , will not arrest the secession of our colonies , and the changes in the Book of Constitutions as to District Grand Lodges will precipitate disunion instead of arresting ifc . If I am not misinformed the

rite of Misraim is spreading in Australia . The able advisers of the M . W . G . M ., however successful they have been in matters of home policy , have certainly not been so abroad , and the future appears more threatening than the past . Without there being any evil intentions on their part , it follows , as

a matter of course , that contempt and neglect will be aggravated under the new arrangements . Under the theory of the old system , the Provincial Grand Officer iu a colony holds local rank , and not general rank . This has always been misunderstood . The Deputy Grand Master , or Warden , did not consider that his true position was not as the functionary of the province , but as the D . G . M . of England , or the

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