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"The Grand Lodge Of 1717 Was The First Grand Lodge In The World."

" THE GRAND LODGE OF 1717 WAS THE FIRST GRAND LODGE IN THE WORLD . "

A brother who writes of Freemasonry in France and in Germany during the first half of the last century , will ^ do well to understand this somewhat vainglorious aud inaccurate expression , as bestowed upon the Grand Lodge of 1717 , in reference to the lodges founded in France and Germany during the period of

which lie treats , and to their descendants . Many of those lodges were the daughters of ihe Grand Lodge of 1717 . Most of the others , probably all , took our celebrated lodge for their model . —CHARLES PURTON COOPER .

THE DEGREE OE MALTA . I find the following in your report of the meeting of the Grand Priory of the Order of Malta : — "Your committee begs to recommend that the register of this Order shall be kept separate , " & c . Now the Order of the Temple was dissolved in 1314 , and the

Order of Malta ( as such ) arose in 1530 . Therefore no Templar could have been created a Knight of Malta . Had our rulers any knoAvledge of TempJary in England they would Lave been aware that the JVJalta portion was considered amerehistorical addition , arising from the acquisition of that island . I approve of the

historical addition , but not of a separate Grand Priory of the Order of Malta , and rather than have it , I hope fhe whole will suffer extinction . The Scottish system is a very sensible one . When they instal a Knight , he is considered , on taking an obligation , also to belong to nil these minor Orders ( about a dozen ) . —JOHN TARKER .

A REAL STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION . I have observed it Ffated that a lodge in Avhich no refreshment is ever to appear will shortly be started in Edinburgh . I trust that the brethren who are taking this in hand have the ability and perseverance to carry out their intentions to a decided success .

They deserve the goodwill of all real wdl-wishers to Masonry and to Masons , not forgetting either Masons' wives and iAlasons' bairns . This so-called "refreshment" lies been detrimental to Masonry from first to inst . I consider Hint our drinking customs are causing the rapid deterioration of Scottish

Masonry . Like a cancer , they are eating into its vitals ; hence the real cure is amputation . Masonry will then rise to a healthier , purer , and nobler life than it has ever vet seen . —W . P . B .

COMMUNICATIONS SIGNED " EliOll" AND " A MASONIC STUDENT . " My answer to the letter of an Entered Apprentice is that , according to my Craft Memorandum Book , the communications to the Freemason ' s Magazine , signed "Ebor , " commence vol . viii . page Gl . For some weeks

they were frequent , but afterwards became rare . The last of which 1 have made a noto occurs iu vol . xi ., pnge 325 . The communications signed "A Masonic Student , " commence vol . xviii ., page 291 . An Entered Apprentice cannot studthe

abovey mentioned communications too much . All who can form a correct judgment of them , and who desire the progress of sound Masonic , historical knowledge , must hope that they may long be continued by their learned and accomplished author . —CHARLES PURTON COOPER .

"The Grand Lodge Of 1717 Was The First Grand Lodge In The World."

COUNCIL OE RITES . I may inform " Progress" that every Grand Lodge in England , including the V 717 , recognised the Arch , Rosy Cross , and Templar Kadosh last century . EveH Craft Masons should insist upon such a Council to stop the present anarchy and lvasfce of means , moral , and material . —J . TARKER .

MASON ' S SQUARE IN GLOUCESTER CATHEDRAL . At page 303 , April 16 tb , there are some remarks upon this subject by Bro . Henry Jeffs . To these remarks I sent up an answer at the time . I heg to be allowed to state again that I differ entirely from Bro . Jeffs in his ideas , and that supposing this stone was

set up and cut in the 15 th century , it has nothing whatever to do with our system of Freemasonry , with its degrees , & c , certainly not , any more than did certain remarks which appeared in this Magazine , as taken by me from the Aberdeen Burgh Records . So far as the 1717 theory is concerned , therefore , this "Mason ' s Square" does not interfere with it in the least . There were undoubtedly " Free-masons" in the 15 th

century , but these Avere free , operative Masons—Masons fully qualified to carry on their work , not Speculative Freemasons , such as we now are ; and these old operative Masons neither knew aught of nor practised our system of Freemasonry . —W . P . B .

MASONIC PRINCIPLES . If by " Masonic principles" reference is made to our present Speculative Masonry , I say that they should be looked for amongst the philosophical sects of Christianity . —J . TARKER .

ROMAN COLLEGES . —OLD LODGES . " Why should it not be inferred that the latter were imitations of the former ? " The possibilities are that building Freemasonry was lineally derived from the colleges of the Romans ; but if so , present Freemasonry cannot be such , for in its nature it is Jewish Cabalism .

It is far more likely to be the work of another society , a member of which , c . c . 1530 , styled himself "Prince of Philosophers and Grand Master of Mechanical Secrets . ' " True before the establishment of the present Grand Lodge in 1717 , the derivation of our society from the operative brotherhood Avas asserted , but such lias never yet been shoAvn . Your readers will perceive I Avrite to elicit truth , utterly regardless of popularity . — JOHN TARKER .

1717 THEORY CONTROVERSY . I have shown above that there is abundant means of disposing of this . —J . Y .

Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

The Editor is not responsible for the opinions expressed ly Correspondent ? , A COUINTCIL OF RITES .

10 THE lilHTOl : OF THE rilEIiarASOHS' MAGAZIJ'E AUD MASONIC MIRBOH . Dear Sir and Brother , —Your correspondent " Progress , " although actuated by a most proper feeling . Avith regiird to the mutual support of the various grades of Freemasonry , is evidently under a Avrong impression as to the " consummation devoutly to be wished . " The first of his propositions is as follows : — " The high grades should be recognised , acknowledged , and

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MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 7
"THE GRAND LODGE OF 1717 WAS THE FIRST GRAND LODGE IN THE WORLD." Article 8
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UNITED GRAND LODGE. Article 10
THE INSTALLATION OF THE EARL DE GREY AND RIPON AS MOST WORSHIPFUL GRAND MASTER. Article 11
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PROVINCIAL. Article 14
LAYING OF THE FOUNDATION STONES OF SS. PAUL'S AND MARK'S CHURCHES AT LEICESTER. Article 15
REVIEWS Article 18
Obituary. Article 18
SCIENTIFIC MEETINGS FOR THE WEEK. Article 20
LIST OF LODGE, MEETINGS, &c., FOR WEEK ENDING 4TH, JUNE 1870. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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"The Grand Lodge Of 1717 Was The First Grand Lodge In The World."

" THE GRAND LODGE OF 1717 WAS THE FIRST GRAND LODGE IN THE WORLD . "

A brother who writes of Freemasonry in France and in Germany during the first half of the last century , will ^ do well to understand this somewhat vainglorious aud inaccurate expression , as bestowed upon the Grand Lodge of 1717 , in reference to the lodges founded in France and Germany during the period of

which lie treats , and to their descendants . Many of those lodges were the daughters of ihe Grand Lodge of 1717 . Most of the others , probably all , took our celebrated lodge for their model . —CHARLES PURTON COOPER .

THE DEGREE OE MALTA . I find the following in your report of the meeting of the Grand Priory of the Order of Malta : — "Your committee begs to recommend that the register of this Order shall be kept separate , " & c . Now the Order of the Temple was dissolved in 1314 , and the

Order of Malta ( as such ) arose in 1530 . Therefore no Templar could have been created a Knight of Malta . Had our rulers any knoAvledge of TempJary in England they would Lave been aware that the JVJalta portion was considered amerehistorical addition , arising from the acquisition of that island . I approve of the

historical addition , but not of a separate Grand Priory of the Order of Malta , and rather than have it , I hope fhe whole will suffer extinction . The Scottish system is a very sensible one . When they instal a Knight , he is considered , on taking an obligation , also to belong to nil these minor Orders ( about a dozen ) . —JOHN TARKER .

A REAL STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION . I have observed it Ffated that a lodge in Avhich no refreshment is ever to appear will shortly be started in Edinburgh . I trust that the brethren who are taking this in hand have the ability and perseverance to carry out their intentions to a decided success .

They deserve the goodwill of all real wdl-wishers to Masonry and to Masons , not forgetting either Masons' wives and iAlasons' bairns . This so-called "refreshment" lies been detrimental to Masonry from first to inst . I consider Hint our drinking customs are causing the rapid deterioration of Scottish

Masonry . Like a cancer , they are eating into its vitals ; hence the real cure is amputation . Masonry will then rise to a healthier , purer , and nobler life than it has ever vet seen . —W . P . B .

COMMUNICATIONS SIGNED " EliOll" AND " A MASONIC STUDENT . " My answer to the letter of an Entered Apprentice is that , according to my Craft Memorandum Book , the communications to the Freemason ' s Magazine , signed "Ebor , " commence vol . viii . page Gl . For some weeks

they were frequent , but afterwards became rare . The last of which 1 have made a noto occurs iu vol . xi ., pnge 325 . The communications signed "A Masonic Student , " commence vol . xviii ., page 291 . An Entered Apprentice cannot studthe

abovey mentioned communications too much . All who can form a correct judgment of them , and who desire the progress of sound Masonic , historical knowledge , must hope that they may long be continued by their learned and accomplished author . —CHARLES PURTON COOPER .

"The Grand Lodge Of 1717 Was The First Grand Lodge In The World."

COUNCIL OE RITES . I may inform " Progress" that every Grand Lodge in England , including the V 717 , recognised the Arch , Rosy Cross , and Templar Kadosh last century . EveH Craft Masons should insist upon such a Council to stop the present anarchy and lvasfce of means , moral , and material . —J . TARKER .

MASON ' S SQUARE IN GLOUCESTER CATHEDRAL . At page 303 , April 16 tb , there are some remarks upon this subject by Bro . Henry Jeffs . To these remarks I sent up an answer at the time . I heg to be allowed to state again that I differ entirely from Bro . Jeffs in his ideas , and that supposing this stone was

set up and cut in the 15 th century , it has nothing whatever to do with our system of Freemasonry , with its degrees , & c , certainly not , any more than did certain remarks which appeared in this Magazine , as taken by me from the Aberdeen Burgh Records . So far as the 1717 theory is concerned , therefore , this "Mason ' s Square" does not interfere with it in the least . There were undoubtedly " Free-masons" in the 15 th

century , but these Avere free , operative Masons—Masons fully qualified to carry on their work , not Speculative Freemasons , such as we now are ; and these old operative Masons neither knew aught of nor practised our system of Freemasonry . —W . P . B .

MASONIC PRINCIPLES . If by " Masonic principles" reference is made to our present Speculative Masonry , I say that they should be looked for amongst the philosophical sects of Christianity . —J . TARKER .

ROMAN COLLEGES . —OLD LODGES . " Why should it not be inferred that the latter were imitations of the former ? " The possibilities are that building Freemasonry was lineally derived from the colleges of the Romans ; but if so , present Freemasonry cannot be such , for in its nature it is Jewish Cabalism .

It is far more likely to be the work of another society , a member of which , c . c . 1530 , styled himself "Prince of Philosophers and Grand Master of Mechanical Secrets . ' " True before the establishment of the present Grand Lodge in 1717 , the derivation of our society from the operative brotherhood Avas asserted , but such lias never yet been shoAvn . Your readers will perceive I Avrite to elicit truth , utterly regardless of popularity . — JOHN TARKER .

1717 THEORY CONTROVERSY . I have shown above that there is abundant means of disposing of this . —J . Y .

Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

The Editor is not responsible for the opinions expressed ly Correspondent ? , A COUINTCIL OF RITES .

10 THE lilHTOl : OF THE rilEIiarASOHS' MAGAZIJ'E AUD MASONIC MIRBOH . Dear Sir and Brother , —Your correspondent " Progress , " although actuated by a most proper feeling . Avith regiird to the mutual support of the various grades of Freemasonry , is evidently under a Avrong impression as to the " consummation devoutly to be wished . " The first of his propositions is as follows : — " The high grades should be recognised , acknowledged , and

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