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Father Suffield And Freemasonry.

field speaks in perfect good faith when he gives his views -upon the inner teaching of Masonry ; but he would scarcely thank me to tell him that I knew more of the 'Order of the Dominicans than he did . Yet he does not scruple to inform Mr . Tweddell ( courteously , I admit ) , who has been a well-known contributor of many years ' standing to the Freemasons' Magazine , the recognised

organ of the Fraternity , that he knows nothing of the subject . As to rash oaths , I believe they are not wholly unknown in the Roman Church . To couple Freemasonry with Fenianism is . an insult to the former , unmerited praise to the latter ; and I am afraid , sir , that Father Suffield's lecture on the " Wrongs of Ireland " will not redound to the credit or discretion of the

wellmeaning and intellectual teacher . As he calls attention to works issued against the Freemasons by ecclesiastics ¦ of his own Church , let me ask him to read the Avorks of Dr . Oliver , the most distinguished Masonic author of our day , and a member of the Church of England . If Father Suffield is only searching after truth , and not seeking to destroy an institution older than the Church ot which

he is now a member , he will find much in the works of Dr . Oliver which will tend to alter his vieAvs of Freemasonry . One of our leading tenets is Charity , and if the members of all communions practised that Christian virtue , we should none of us be farther from that home which we all hope to reach , where the Great Architect of the Universe lives and reigns for ever .

I am , Sir , yours fraternally , EMEA . HOLIIES , 30 ° W . M . of the St . Helen's Lodge of Freemasons , Hartlepool , K . O . of the Royal Order of Scotland , & c , & c .

Priority Of The Lodge Of Glasgow St. John, To The Mother Kilwinning.

PRIORITY OF THE LODGE OF GLASGOW ST . JOHN , TO THE MOTHER KILWINNING .

10 THE EDIIOE OH TUB " FEEE JfASOXS' JTAGAZIJfB A 2 f » HASOJTIC MIBBOB . " Dear Sir and Brother , —It is Avith diffidence that I take up a portion of your paper again , after the long letter yon put in your last number ; however as our knowledge of Masonry in the 12 th century is very limited I hope I will be excused

There is a small though important mistake in your last number , in my postcript , viz , you have it " may be deciphered with ease" ( I wish it could be ) , I said " may be deciphered with care . " I wish that I had seen our old Charter itself sooner , as the translation has made us look rather foolish

when one comes to consider it closely , and taking it for granted to be correct ( seeing it seems to haA'e always been held as such by the members ) I acted accordingly ; but having now seen the old Charter "In propria persona , " I can speak upon my own responsibilityand consider it to be of Malcolm IV .

, , and while saying so I feel that I may not only have those still against me Avho would rather make it out to be no charter at all , but also many of our own members may be down upon me for taking . 100 years ¦ off the age of the Charter , and also upsetting their preconceived ideas , but be that as it may , I trust that

the truth will reign paramount , and to my fellow members of St . John ' s I would say , that if , while throwing down the mythical Charter of Malcolm III . I can set up upon a firm and sure basis the Charter of Malcolm IV ., I am sure it AA-ili prove better in the end . The charter of Malcolm IV . is a bridge ¦ over which the brethren of St . John ' s Lodge may

walk into the first position in the Grand Lodge of Scotland . The imaginary Charter of Malcolm LTL , has been a shadow , which , when they attempted to use , they tumbled into the hole of No . 3 its . On reading over our Charter from the Grand Lodge of ScotlandI find it to be admitted that St .

, John ' s is a very old lodge ; but the Gr . L . decidedly refuses to acknowledge our old Charter " as being granted by Malcolm III . ( Canmore ) . " Now when one comes to look at the Charter critically , as given , in the translation , one part of it contradicts the other ; sa to Malcolm III . although in sorrowwe

, , must now say " Eequiescat in pace . " and although I do not suppose that the great grandson could write * any better than his great grandfather , I must e ' en bring Malcolm IV . on the scene , and make him speak through the work he authorised . The more I consider our charterI find that it opens up the wider

, field of inquiry , and that of a very interesting nature ; and I would only hope that I may be able to throwout a ray of light , even should it only prove a feeble one . If it . be a true one , it will do good , and may cause other brethren to follow up the matter more fully .

A successful search has been made for old documents connected with the Glasgow Incorporation and Lodge ; amongst other things an old minute-book has been found , containing the names of the brethren who Bigned St . Clair of Eoslyn's Charter . So , between one thing and another , I hope to be able to

give something further soon . Xours fraternally , "W . P . P . IICHAK .

FOE ADJIIBAI PAKBAGUT AUD GAEIBAIDI to exchange courtesies was natural and proper , from the positions occupied by either in his own country ; from the sympathy always existing among heroes and men of expanded hearts , from their common sympathy for the whole people , from their mutual detestation of tyranny , and from their Masonic relations . As an officer , we do not see that Bro . the Admiral Farragut , in any wise compromised himself or our GovernmentVfe are satisfied that the

. admiral agrees with our Masonic view that any reform movement , ecclesiastical or civil , must he kept strictly within the Italian Church and nation , and must avoid every form and feature of foreign intervention . Our Italian brethren , must work out ( vie would say patiently and peacefully ) their own reformation—do their own thinking , writing , and printing , and suffer their own persecutions , if they wished to be crowned with to do

final success . As Freemasons we have nothing directly with Italian regeneration ; but we may and must sympathisa individually with all real progress , and with such noble brethren as Garibaldi . It is our duty to give careful and guarded sympathy , aiding judiciously the persecuted when in distress , and especially when persecuted for their Freemasonry , and encouing such puhlicatious teach reliious tolerationbut beyond

rag as g , this leaving the policy , the mistakes , the sufferings , tbe triumphs of our Italian brethren , as entirely as possible to the Italians . We have never doubted of their success . We have never doubted of the triumph of the principles of religious toleration and civil freedom . It may not be this year , nor next , when Masons will have their lodges at Home , publicly known and advertised : but it will come . —National Freemason .

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THE KNIGHTS TEMPLARS. Article 1
ORATION Article 2
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES- Article 4
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 5
MASONIC ARCHÆOLOGICAL INSTITUTE. Article 5
ROYAL ARCH AND SOME OTHER DEGREES. Article 6
GLASGOW CHARTER. Article 6
AN EARNEST PROPOSITION FORTHE FURTHER PROPAGATION OF TOMFOOL ERY AMONG MASONS. Article 6
THE A. AND A. RITE IN ENGLAND. Article 8
FATHER SUFFIELD AND FREEMASONRY. Article 8
PRIORITY OF THE LODGE OF GLASGOW ST. JOHN, TO THE MOTHER KILWINNING. Article 11
THE TRUE MASON. Article 12
MASONIC MEMS. Article 13
METROPOLITAN. Article 13
PROVINCIAL. Article 14
SCOTLAND. Article 17
IRELAND. Article 17
MARK MASONRY. Article 18
KNIGHTS TEMPLAR. Article 18
MASONIC FESTIVITIES. Article 18
MASONIC ASSEMBLY AT AYR, SCOTLAND. Article 19
HER MAJESTY'S THEATRE AND BRO. S. MAY. Article 19
Poetry. Article 20
MEETINGS OF THE LEARNED SOCIETIES FOR THE WEEK ENDING MARCH 7TH, 1868. Article 20
METROPOLITAN LODGE MEETINGS, ETC., FOR THE WEEK ENDING MARCH 7TH, 1868. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Father Suffield And Freemasonry.

field speaks in perfect good faith when he gives his views -upon the inner teaching of Masonry ; but he would scarcely thank me to tell him that I knew more of the 'Order of the Dominicans than he did . Yet he does not scruple to inform Mr . Tweddell ( courteously , I admit ) , who has been a well-known contributor of many years ' standing to the Freemasons' Magazine , the recognised

organ of the Fraternity , that he knows nothing of the subject . As to rash oaths , I believe they are not wholly unknown in the Roman Church . To couple Freemasonry with Fenianism is . an insult to the former , unmerited praise to the latter ; and I am afraid , sir , that Father Suffield's lecture on the " Wrongs of Ireland " will not redound to the credit or discretion of the

wellmeaning and intellectual teacher . As he calls attention to works issued against the Freemasons by ecclesiastics ¦ of his own Church , let me ask him to read the Avorks of Dr . Oliver , the most distinguished Masonic author of our day , and a member of the Church of England . If Father Suffield is only searching after truth , and not seeking to destroy an institution older than the Church ot which

he is now a member , he will find much in the works of Dr . Oliver which will tend to alter his vieAvs of Freemasonry . One of our leading tenets is Charity , and if the members of all communions practised that Christian virtue , we should none of us be farther from that home which we all hope to reach , where the Great Architect of the Universe lives and reigns for ever .

I am , Sir , yours fraternally , EMEA . HOLIIES , 30 ° W . M . of the St . Helen's Lodge of Freemasons , Hartlepool , K . O . of the Royal Order of Scotland , & c , & c .

Priority Of The Lodge Of Glasgow St. John, To The Mother Kilwinning.

PRIORITY OF THE LODGE OF GLASGOW ST . JOHN , TO THE MOTHER KILWINNING .

10 THE EDIIOE OH TUB " FEEE JfASOXS' JTAGAZIJfB A 2 f » HASOJTIC MIBBOB . " Dear Sir and Brother , —It is Avith diffidence that I take up a portion of your paper again , after the long letter yon put in your last number ; however as our knowledge of Masonry in the 12 th century is very limited I hope I will be excused

There is a small though important mistake in your last number , in my postcript , viz , you have it " may be deciphered with ease" ( I wish it could be ) , I said " may be deciphered with care . " I wish that I had seen our old Charter itself sooner , as the translation has made us look rather foolish

when one comes to consider it closely , and taking it for granted to be correct ( seeing it seems to haA'e always been held as such by the members ) I acted accordingly ; but having now seen the old Charter "In propria persona , " I can speak upon my own responsibilityand consider it to be of Malcolm IV .

, , and while saying so I feel that I may not only have those still against me Avho would rather make it out to be no charter at all , but also many of our own members may be down upon me for taking . 100 years ¦ off the age of the Charter , and also upsetting their preconceived ideas , but be that as it may , I trust that

the truth will reign paramount , and to my fellow members of St . John ' s I would say , that if , while throwing down the mythical Charter of Malcolm III . I can set up upon a firm and sure basis the Charter of Malcolm IV ., I am sure it AA-ili prove better in the end . The charter of Malcolm IV . is a bridge ¦ over which the brethren of St . John ' s Lodge may

walk into the first position in the Grand Lodge of Scotland . The imaginary Charter of Malcolm LTL , has been a shadow , which , when they attempted to use , they tumbled into the hole of No . 3 its . On reading over our Charter from the Grand Lodge of ScotlandI find it to be admitted that St .

, John ' s is a very old lodge ; but the Gr . L . decidedly refuses to acknowledge our old Charter " as being granted by Malcolm III . ( Canmore ) . " Now when one comes to look at the Charter critically , as given , in the translation , one part of it contradicts the other ; sa to Malcolm III . although in sorrowwe

, , must now say " Eequiescat in pace . " and although I do not suppose that the great grandson could write * any better than his great grandfather , I must e ' en bring Malcolm IV . on the scene , and make him speak through the work he authorised . The more I consider our charterI find that it opens up the wider

, field of inquiry , and that of a very interesting nature ; and I would only hope that I may be able to throwout a ray of light , even should it only prove a feeble one . If it . be a true one , it will do good , and may cause other brethren to follow up the matter more fully .

A successful search has been made for old documents connected with the Glasgow Incorporation and Lodge ; amongst other things an old minute-book has been found , containing the names of the brethren who Bigned St . Clair of Eoslyn's Charter . So , between one thing and another , I hope to be able to

give something further soon . Xours fraternally , "W . P . P . IICHAK .

FOE ADJIIBAI PAKBAGUT AUD GAEIBAIDI to exchange courtesies was natural and proper , from the positions occupied by either in his own country ; from the sympathy always existing among heroes and men of expanded hearts , from their common sympathy for the whole people , from their mutual detestation of tyranny , and from their Masonic relations . As an officer , we do not see that Bro . the Admiral Farragut , in any wise compromised himself or our GovernmentVfe are satisfied that the

. admiral agrees with our Masonic view that any reform movement , ecclesiastical or civil , must he kept strictly within the Italian Church and nation , and must avoid every form and feature of foreign intervention . Our Italian brethren , must work out ( vie would say patiently and peacefully ) their own reformation—do their own thinking , writing , and printing , and suffer their own persecutions , if they wished to be crowned with to do

final success . As Freemasons we have nothing directly with Italian regeneration ; but we may and must sympathisa individually with all real progress , and with such noble brethren as Garibaldi . It is our duty to give careful and guarded sympathy , aiding judiciously the persecuted when in distress , and especially when persecuted for their Freemasonry , and encouing such puhlicatious teach reliious tolerationbut beyond

rag as g , this leaving the policy , the mistakes , the sufferings , tbe triumphs of our Italian brethren , as entirely as possible to the Italians . We have never doubted of their success . We have never doubted of the triumph of the principles of religious toleration and civil freedom . It may not be this year , nor next , when Masons will have their lodges at Home , publicly known and advertised : but it will come . —National Freemason .

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