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Masonic Notes And Queries
To my mind , "R . T . " has used a most un-Masonic phrase , tending to throw discredit on the Knights Templars as well as the Red Cross . —RICHAED JOHN . EBENCH MASONEX . An anti quarian brother is mistakenIt was not
. nntil the year 1756 that the denomination " Grande Loge de France" was substituted for that of " Grande Loge Anglaise de France . "—C . P . COOPEE . CHRISTIANITY AND OHE CHAEITIES . In answer to a letter signed "A Theistic Mason "
, I say , show and publish that Christianit y is not the religion of our lodges , and you will greatlv endanger the prosperity of our noble Charities . — C . P . COOPEE .
EEENCH MASONEX . "Historicus , " without a word of introductory matter , sends a mere string of questions respecting Preneh Masonry , and , the questions ended , abruptly asks , first , if I can answer snch questions ? next , if I cannotdo I know who can ? " Historicus "
, anyone is hereb y informed , first , that I cannot answer the said questions ; next , that the only English brother , in any way known to me , who can , is Bro . H yde Clarke , who has for many years been a member of the two great Masonic bodies in Prance , the Grand Orient and the Supreme Council . But it must he added
that , in my opinion , it is not likely that Bro . Clarke will answer the questions , unless " the application be made to him in a way somewhat different from that in which it is made to me . —C . P . COOPEE .
Correspondence.
CORRESPONDENCE .
The Editor is not responsible for ihe opinions expressed iy Correspondent ! THE PROVINCE OP JERSEY .
10 TIIE EDITOB OF THE EHEE 1 IAS 0 XS' MAGAZINE AXD MASOXIC HIItltOE . Dear Sir and Brother , —It cannot but be gratifying to me to find that my articles have received the approval of so distinguished a Craftsman as Bro . Hughan . The readers of the Magazine are also indebted to Bro . Hughan for the information that there is an
Orator in connection with the Lodge of Antiquity . The duties of Oraleur in La Cesaree Lodge , Jersey , are , however , essentiall y different to those of Lecture-Master , and are , indeed , precisely those appertaining to the office of Oraleur in Prance . If during my three months' residence in Jersey I
have not had the pleasure of acquainting myself with the leading brethren , I can only say that I am labouring under a profound mistake . Possibly Bro . Dr . Hopkins , from his intimate knowledge of the Craft in the island , may be aware whether those brethren who have kindly given me information
deserve to be styled "leading" or not . Among the brethren in question I did not find one who knew of any Grand Master previous to Bro . Hammond ; and having at meetings of four lodges—La Cesaree , St . Aubin ' s , Prince of Wales , and the Mark Lodgestated what I had found out as to Bro . Dobree ' s Grand Mastership in 178-1 , the statement was re-
Correspondence.
ceived with surprise hy every brother p resent . The copy of Anderson presented to the Masonic Library by Bro . Dr . Hopkins had remained unopened until it was unearthed by me , and so much were the brethren in ignorance of its existence that one eminent brother had searched all the old book-stalls in London for a
copy of this very book , which all the time was lying idly in a box in the Temple . In knowledge of our ceremonies the Jersey brethren stand A 1 ; but it is nevertheless true that Masonic archaeology has been almost entirely neglected by them . I believehoweverthat the spirit of
, , enquiry is awakened , and will ere long prove powerful-No one holds "the credit of the fraternity in Jersey" higher than myself ; and when I remember all the kindness I received from brethren there and in Guernsey , I find myself unable to adequately express all the thanks I feel . In my opinion , the
Craft in the Channel Islands will have a bright future , prorided two fully-qualified Grand Masters for the provinces of Jersey and Guernsey are appointed ; and it is to be hoped that the advisers of the Most Worshipful Grand Master appreciate the true position of affairs in those islands .
With regard to the Knights of the Red Cross of Constantine , I may say that the recent absurd attacks upon them have , to my personal knowledge , influenced over fifty Craftsmen with a desire to enter this Order . If the opponents of the Red Cross wish to make it popular , they are going the right way to work . Those
who indulge in unscrupulous abuse are always playing into their antagonists' hands . Surely there is room enough for Templar , Rose Croix , and Red Cross degrees without rivalry . Yours fraternally , May 25 th , 1868 . J . A . H .
Red Cross Of Constantine.
RED CROSS OF CONSTANTINE .
10 THE EDITOB OS TUB . . BEEMASOXS' MAGAZINE AUD MASOKIC 1 I 1 BE 0 E . Dear Sir and Brother , —After the clear and explicit letter of "Audi Alteram Partem , " there will perhaps be little more controversy , as , in case of need , " documentary evidence " of " an independent character " will be brought forward .
The points , I understand , to be proved by this letter are as follows : — The Order in England has been conferred on Masons only . There has been a regular succession from Lord Rancliffe in 1796 to Lord Kenlis in 1866 .
The Order is not the same as the American degree . The Order had no connection with the Templars . A ritual existed , which is proved , by a will of the date of 1812 , to be a ritual of Grand Cross , which was curtailed in 1865 .
This manuscript and its water-mark is attested by Bro . Hughan . This is a fault I find in this explicit document : the attestation of an individual brother of eminence is not what we want . The Craft can exercise its judgment upon facts , and does not want the ipse dixit of any brother . Thus , Bro . Hughan is
made to vouch for this ritual ; Bro . Hyde Clarke , for the succession of the Order ; and Bro . Little , for other points . This , it may be repeated , is not what
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Masonic Notes And Queries
To my mind , "R . T . " has used a most un-Masonic phrase , tending to throw discredit on the Knights Templars as well as the Red Cross . —RICHAED JOHN . EBENCH MASONEX . An anti quarian brother is mistakenIt was not
. nntil the year 1756 that the denomination " Grande Loge de France" was substituted for that of " Grande Loge Anglaise de France . "—C . P . COOPEE . CHRISTIANITY AND OHE CHAEITIES . In answer to a letter signed "A Theistic Mason "
, I say , show and publish that Christianit y is not the religion of our lodges , and you will greatlv endanger the prosperity of our noble Charities . — C . P . COOPEE .
EEENCH MASONEX . "Historicus , " without a word of introductory matter , sends a mere string of questions respecting Preneh Masonry , and , the questions ended , abruptly asks , first , if I can answer snch questions ? next , if I cannotdo I know who can ? " Historicus "
, anyone is hereb y informed , first , that I cannot answer the said questions ; next , that the only English brother , in any way known to me , who can , is Bro . H yde Clarke , who has for many years been a member of the two great Masonic bodies in Prance , the Grand Orient and the Supreme Council . But it must he added
that , in my opinion , it is not likely that Bro . Clarke will answer the questions , unless " the application be made to him in a way somewhat different from that in which it is made to me . —C . P . COOPEE .
Correspondence.
CORRESPONDENCE .
The Editor is not responsible for ihe opinions expressed iy Correspondent ! THE PROVINCE OP JERSEY .
10 TIIE EDITOB OF THE EHEE 1 IAS 0 XS' MAGAZINE AXD MASOXIC HIItltOE . Dear Sir and Brother , —It cannot but be gratifying to me to find that my articles have received the approval of so distinguished a Craftsman as Bro . Hughan . The readers of the Magazine are also indebted to Bro . Hughan for the information that there is an
Orator in connection with the Lodge of Antiquity . The duties of Oraleur in La Cesaree Lodge , Jersey , are , however , essentiall y different to those of Lecture-Master , and are , indeed , precisely those appertaining to the office of Oraleur in Prance . If during my three months' residence in Jersey I
have not had the pleasure of acquainting myself with the leading brethren , I can only say that I am labouring under a profound mistake . Possibly Bro . Dr . Hopkins , from his intimate knowledge of the Craft in the island , may be aware whether those brethren who have kindly given me information
deserve to be styled "leading" or not . Among the brethren in question I did not find one who knew of any Grand Master previous to Bro . Hammond ; and having at meetings of four lodges—La Cesaree , St . Aubin ' s , Prince of Wales , and the Mark Lodgestated what I had found out as to Bro . Dobree ' s Grand Mastership in 178-1 , the statement was re-
Correspondence.
ceived with surprise hy every brother p resent . The copy of Anderson presented to the Masonic Library by Bro . Dr . Hopkins had remained unopened until it was unearthed by me , and so much were the brethren in ignorance of its existence that one eminent brother had searched all the old book-stalls in London for a
copy of this very book , which all the time was lying idly in a box in the Temple . In knowledge of our ceremonies the Jersey brethren stand A 1 ; but it is nevertheless true that Masonic archaeology has been almost entirely neglected by them . I believehoweverthat the spirit of
, , enquiry is awakened , and will ere long prove powerful-No one holds "the credit of the fraternity in Jersey" higher than myself ; and when I remember all the kindness I received from brethren there and in Guernsey , I find myself unable to adequately express all the thanks I feel . In my opinion , the
Craft in the Channel Islands will have a bright future , prorided two fully-qualified Grand Masters for the provinces of Jersey and Guernsey are appointed ; and it is to be hoped that the advisers of the Most Worshipful Grand Master appreciate the true position of affairs in those islands .
With regard to the Knights of the Red Cross of Constantine , I may say that the recent absurd attacks upon them have , to my personal knowledge , influenced over fifty Craftsmen with a desire to enter this Order . If the opponents of the Red Cross wish to make it popular , they are going the right way to work . Those
who indulge in unscrupulous abuse are always playing into their antagonists' hands . Surely there is room enough for Templar , Rose Croix , and Red Cross degrees without rivalry . Yours fraternally , May 25 th , 1868 . J . A . H .
Red Cross Of Constantine.
RED CROSS OF CONSTANTINE .
10 THE EDITOB OS TUB . . BEEMASOXS' MAGAZINE AUD MASOKIC 1 I 1 BE 0 E . Dear Sir and Brother , —After the clear and explicit letter of "Audi Alteram Partem , " there will perhaps be little more controversy , as , in case of need , " documentary evidence " of " an independent character " will be brought forward .
The points , I understand , to be proved by this letter are as follows : — The Order in England has been conferred on Masons only . There has been a regular succession from Lord Rancliffe in 1796 to Lord Kenlis in 1866 .
The Order is not the same as the American degree . The Order had no connection with the Templars . A ritual existed , which is proved , by a will of the date of 1812 , to be a ritual of Grand Cross , which was curtailed in 1865 .
This manuscript and its water-mark is attested by Bro . Hughan . This is a fault I find in this explicit document : the attestation of an individual brother of eminence is not what we want . The Craft can exercise its judgment upon facts , and does not want the ipse dixit of any brother . Thus , Bro . Hughan is
made to vouch for this ritual ; Bro . Hyde Clarke , for the succession of the Order ; and Bro . Little , for other points . This , it may be repeated , is not what