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mission to see such a lying in state ? and , Is there any monumental record to the memory of Bro . Price noiv standing in St . Bartholomew churchyard , Exeter?—P . G . l-OUl-UGX lUTE . I met ivith a brother who called himself a " Sublime Master of the Luminous 1 'ing . " AVhat was he ? AVhat ring is meant ? Is

the style American?—W . W . C ' illAXIl ST' -AVAUDS' 1 . 0 D 1 IE . AVhen was the Grand Stewards'Lodge constituted?—AWoui . n-I ' . E-GUAXI ) STEAVAIUI . [ According to the Freemasons' Calendar , printed for the Company of Stationers 1775 it is stated" SteAvards apply to the Grand

, , , Lodge for certain privileges , ivhich are granted to them ; and arc constituted into a regular Lodge of Master Masons , June 24 , 17 . 15 . * * TwclvcStcwards appear in the Grand Lodge Avith their regalia , for the fir > t time , but are not , permitted to vote . Dec , 11 . 173 ) 5 ] .

i . AXfii . 'Aiii- ; oi- ' Tin- niri'AL . I should be glad to know if there is any objection to a Lodge conducting its proceedings in a classical tongue , supposing all the members to be agreeable ?—A Yot . xc MASOX . [ Our correspondent and his brethren Avould be entitled , ive apprehend , to perform all Masonic rites in Cherokee , or any other language they understoodhut there Avould bo still the difficulty

, of a visitor presenting himself AVIIO in his ignorance of the language might , if not courteously met , say that tbe brethren not being good Avorkers chose to amuse themselves and him , by a display of gibberish no one could comprehend . Seriously , hoAvever , our young Masonic brother has been forestalled , as iu 1784 , Dr . Brown , the ivell knoivn Edinburgh physician , organized the Lodge of the Eoman Eagle at Edinburgh , " in ivhich the Avhole of the

Masonic Avork AVUS conducted in the Latin tongue , and gave occasion to a Avag , who ivas a visitor , opening nith a grand classical harangue , and adroitly alluding to Matthew Prior , quoted him as follows , to the horror of the brethren of the Eoman Eagle : —

" Hang Homer and Virgil their meaning to seek , A man must have pok'd into Latin and Greek ; Those who love their own tongue , AVC have reason to hope , Have read them translated by Dryden aucl Pope . " ] ovi-fCEiis oi * 'nil-: CIUAXIA LODGE OV LIXCOI . X IX " 1703 . AAlio Avas the Reverend AVilliam Peters , Avho held the rank of

ProA * . Grand Master of the province of Lincoln in 1793 ? I am aware he Avas chaplain to the Prince of AVales . —T . PETERS . [ Bro . Peters AVUS born in the Isle of Wight , but early removed to Ireland , aucl afterwards became an LL . B . of Exeter College , Oxford . His chief claim to be remembered Avas his devotion to the fine arts , and with this view he twice visited Italy . In . 1763 the Imperial Academy of Florence elected him a memberand in

, this country be Avas chosen by the council of the Royal Academy as an Pc . A . Having gained the highest honours of art this country could bestow , he flung away his pencil , and entered the church in 1770 . The pictures in Freemasons' Hall of the Prince of AA'ales , the Dukes of Cumberland and Manchester , and Lord Pctrc are from his hand . There is a picture by him , a copy of the San Gicralomo at Parmawhich is still laced as an altar

, p piece at the church of Saffron Waldcn , in Essex . He ivas also the main designer of the plates of Alderman Boydell ' s "Shakespear . " The church preferments of the Key . ' William Peters were the Ifcetory of Knipton iu Leicestershire , and AVoolsthorpe in Lincolnshire , Prebendary of Lincoln Cathedral , and Chaplain to the Prince of Wales . Ho was made ProA * . Grand Master for Lincoln Avhen the Prince of AVales ( George TV ) accepted the

., chair as Grand Master . The other officers , at the time onr correspondent inquires for , ivere William Doddworth , M . D ., D . Prov . Grand Master ; Matthew Barnett . S . G . AV . ; Gcrvas Parnell , J . G . W . ] '

BRO . . I 011 X WAT 1 C 1 . VS , . 1 . ! .. !> . In answer to your question in the June number of the Free-• musniif xilaga-iite , page 1 . 121 , respecting Bro . John Warkins , fL . D ., I beg to state that be was a native of Bidcf ' ord . He resided for about twenty-five years in London , Avhere he died and was buried about twenty years since . He ivas the author of a history of Bidcford as we ' ll also as several Avorks of a religious character . He left a widow and children who . I believe , are still hying in London . —W , Di-umv PF . AR . SI-

Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

* [ Tin- - . EDITOR does not hold himself responsible for any op inions entertained hy Correspond nil sf \

ENGLISH AND AMERICAN MASOXRY . TO ME EDITOR Or THE FEEEitASOXS' MAGAZINE AXD MASONIC MIRROR , DKAT- SIR AXD BROTIIKR , —In your last issue ( 23 rd instant ) I notice a communication under date of Jul y 3 rd , signed "E . E . X ., " relative to American brethen or sojourners claiming to be Masons , and hailing from some jurisdiction in the United States . The author inquires if I cannot name some one in London AA'ho cau

explain the differences existing between English and American Masonry , so that the social privileges and benefits of our Order may not be refused tho American brotherhood ivho may chance to visit this country . I am highly gratified to learn that this subject is claiming the attention of our English brethren , and as my mission to this country is purely Masonic , having in view the grand object of opening a channel by AA'hich the European and

American Craft may become better acquainted ivith each other , I Avill Avith pleasure , and free of charge , ivhilc in England , Ireland , or Scotland , Allien I" have a favourable opportunity , rehearse the lectures , exemplify the work , and impart such other information , so far as my feeble abilities ivill permit , as may be conduc ' iA'c to the interest of the great and glorious work in ivhich I am engaged . These arc my instructions from that great lig ht in American '

Masonry , Bro . Bob Morris , Grand Master of Kentucky , whom I . havo the distinguished honour to represent , and AA'ith Avhom I have enlisted , " -not- as a twelve months' volunteer , but for the Avhole Avar . " I have already on several occasions , at the very kind invitations of the London brethren , rehearsed the lectures and explained some ofthe ceremonies as practised in the United States . Among the teachers of the English ritual who have kindly supported me on these several occasions I . would name Bros . Stephen Barton

AVilson , Iiiomas Alexander Adams , AVilliam Watson and Thomas AIISIOAV , to Avhom , "ivith yourself and many others , I . am indebted for favours received , which ivill never be forgotten . I think it is but justice to say that I believe Bro . AA ilsou to be more familiar ivith what little information it has been my privilege to impart , as he has been present at all times ivhen I gave tbe American lecture , ivith only one exception ; and I am sure he Avill readily

give information to less informed brethren ivho can make it convenient to call on him . And here I would beg leave to say to the Masons of England—you cannot be too strict ivith American Masons "as regards the universal test of Masonry . " And further , if the examininations that liave come under my observation since I haA'e been in England , arc a fair sample of the standard used in this country , that standard is not sufficient to protect you from

American imposition . I say this ivith all due deference to the intelligence and discretion of my English brethren . It may be very AVCII in this country where every Mason has a Grand Lodge certificate , the form of Avhich , together Avitb the names and numbers of the Lodges and the Grand Secretary's signature , every Master is more or less familiar ivith—but in America , very feAV Grand Lodges

grant certificates , and suppose they did , might they not fall into unworth y hands : could you tell Avhether the signatures AA"ere genuine or not ? For instance , I have in my possession a certificate ofthe Grand Lodge of England Avith the seal attached , but ivithout the signatures , and I ask what would prevent my forging that certificate and presenting it to a country Lodge in tlicUiihed States , or any other foreign country , where * they never saw one of your certificates , much less being familiar * with the Grand Secretary's signature .

'Thus , Avhile admitting that , a Grand Lodge certificate is an excellent document , and that even * Mason should possess one , yet in many respects it , is a dead letter . Is it not , ivell , then , to be sure that a stranger is familiar Avith the inside of a Lodge before you admit him . If lie is not , that is his fault and not yours , and if he finds that through his own laziness and for the Avant of a proper knowledge of our art he has failed to gain admission to

Lodges , it will stimulate him to apply himself until he lias acquired the necessary information ; and I should be proud if no American brother could get admission to any but , his mother Lodge until he had at least mastered the lectures as practised in the jurisdiction ivhen he lirst saw the lig ht , _ If this ivere the case we should not liave so many indolent , indifferent drones hanging around , sucking the life out of our more industrious and useful Masons !

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REVIEWS OF NEW BOOKS. Article 7
NEW MUSIC. Article 9
Poetry. Article 9
IZAAK WALTON. Article 9
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CORRESPONDENCE. Article 11
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 13
METROPOLITAN. Article 13
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ROYAL ARCH. Article 18
AMERICA. Article 18
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PUBLIC AMUSEMENTS. Article 20
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Masonic Notes And Queries.

mission to see such a lying in state ? and , Is there any monumental record to the memory of Bro . Price noiv standing in St . Bartholomew churchyard , Exeter?—P . G . l-OUl-UGX lUTE . I met ivith a brother who called himself a " Sublime Master of the Luminous 1 'ing . " AVhat was he ? AVhat ring is meant ? Is

the style American?—W . W . C ' illAXIl ST' -AVAUDS' 1 . 0 D 1 IE . AVhen was the Grand Stewards'Lodge constituted?—AWoui . n-I ' . E-GUAXI ) STEAVAIUI . [ According to the Freemasons' Calendar , printed for the Company of Stationers 1775 it is stated" SteAvards apply to the Grand

, , , Lodge for certain privileges , ivhich are granted to them ; and arc constituted into a regular Lodge of Master Masons , June 24 , 17 . 15 . * * TwclvcStcwards appear in the Grand Lodge Avith their regalia , for the fir > t time , but are not , permitted to vote . Dec , 11 . 173 ) 5 ] .

i . AXfii . 'Aiii- ; oi- ' Tin- niri'AL . I should be glad to know if there is any objection to a Lodge conducting its proceedings in a classical tongue , supposing all the members to be agreeable ?—A Yot . xc MASOX . [ Our correspondent and his brethren Avould be entitled , ive apprehend , to perform all Masonic rites in Cherokee , or any other language they understoodhut there Avould bo still the difficulty

, of a visitor presenting himself AVIIO in his ignorance of the language might , if not courteously met , say that tbe brethren not being good Avorkers chose to amuse themselves and him , by a display of gibberish no one could comprehend . Seriously , hoAvever , our young Masonic brother has been forestalled , as iu 1784 , Dr . Brown , the ivell knoivn Edinburgh physician , organized the Lodge of the Eoman Eagle at Edinburgh , " in ivhich the Avhole of the

Masonic Avork AVUS conducted in the Latin tongue , and gave occasion to a Avag , who ivas a visitor , opening nith a grand classical harangue , and adroitly alluding to Matthew Prior , quoted him as follows , to the horror of the brethren of the Eoman Eagle : —

" Hang Homer and Virgil their meaning to seek , A man must have pok'd into Latin and Greek ; Those who love their own tongue , AVC have reason to hope , Have read them translated by Dryden aucl Pope . " ] ovi-fCEiis oi * 'nil-: CIUAXIA LODGE OV LIXCOI . X IX " 1703 . AAlio Avas the Reverend AVilliam Peters , Avho held the rank of

ProA * . Grand Master of the province of Lincoln in 1793 ? I am aware he Avas chaplain to the Prince of AVales . —T . PETERS . [ Bro . Peters AVUS born in the Isle of Wight , but early removed to Ireland , aucl afterwards became an LL . B . of Exeter College , Oxford . His chief claim to be remembered Avas his devotion to the fine arts , and with this view he twice visited Italy . In . 1763 the Imperial Academy of Florence elected him a memberand in

, this country be Avas chosen by the council of the Royal Academy as an Pc . A . Having gained the highest honours of art this country could bestow , he flung away his pencil , and entered the church in 1770 . The pictures in Freemasons' Hall of the Prince of AA'ales , the Dukes of Cumberland and Manchester , and Lord Pctrc are from his hand . There is a picture by him , a copy of the San Gicralomo at Parmawhich is still laced as an altar

, p piece at the church of Saffron Waldcn , in Essex . He ivas also the main designer of the plates of Alderman Boydell ' s "Shakespear . " The church preferments of the Key . ' William Peters were the Ifcetory of Knipton iu Leicestershire , and AVoolsthorpe in Lincolnshire , Prebendary of Lincoln Cathedral , and Chaplain to the Prince of Wales . Ho was made ProA * . Grand Master for Lincoln Avhen the Prince of AVales ( George TV ) accepted the

., chair as Grand Master . The other officers , at the time onr correspondent inquires for , ivere William Doddworth , M . D ., D . Prov . Grand Master ; Matthew Barnett . S . G . AV . ; Gcrvas Parnell , J . G . W . ] '

BRO . . I 011 X WAT 1 C 1 . VS , . 1 . ! .. !> . In answer to your question in the June number of the Free-• musniif xilaga-iite , page 1 . 121 , respecting Bro . John Warkins , fL . D ., I beg to state that be was a native of Bidcf ' ord . He resided for about twenty-five years in London , Avhere he died and was buried about twenty years since . He ivas the author of a history of Bidcford as we ' ll also as several Avorks of a religious character . He left a widow and children who . I believe , are still hying in London . —W , Di-umv PF . AR . SI-

Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

* [ Tin- - . EDITOR does not hold himself responsible for any op inions entertained hy Correspond nil sf \

ENGLISH AND AMERICAN MASOXRY . TO ME EDITOR Or THE FEEEitASOXS' MAGAZINE AXD MASONIC MIRROR , DKAT- SIR AXD BROTIIKR , —In your last issue ( 23 rd instant ) I notice a communication under date of Jul y 3 rd , signed "E . E . X ., " relative to American brethen or sojourners claiming to be Masons , and hailing from some jurisdiction in the United States . The author inquires if I cannot name some one in London AA'ho cau

explain the differences existing between English and American Masonry , so that the social privileges and benefits of our Order may not be refused tho American brotherhood ivho may chance to visit this country . I am highly gratified to learn that this subject is claiming the attention of our English brethren , and as my mission to this country is purely Masonic , having in view the grand object of opening a channel by AA'hich the European and

American Craft may become better acquainted ivith each other , I Avill Avith pleasure , and free of charge , ivhilc in England , Ireland , or Scotland , Allien I" have a favourable opportunity , rehearse the lectures , exemplify the work , and impart such other information , so far as my feeble abilities ivill permit , as may be conduc ' iA'c to the interest of the great and glorious work in ivhich I am engaged . These arc my instructions from that great lig ht in American '

Masonry , Bro . Bob Morris , Grand Master of Kentucky , whom I . havo the distinguished honour to represent , and AA'ith Avhom I have enlisted , " -not- as a twelve months' volunteer , but for the Avhole Avar . " I have already on several occasions , at the very kind invitations of the London brethren , rehearsed the lectures and explained some ofthe ceremonies as practised in the United States . Among the teachers of the English ritual who have kindly supported me on these several occasions I . would name Bros . Stephen Barton

AVilson , Iiiomas Alexander Adams , AVilliam Watson and Thomas AIISIOAV , to Avhom , "ivith yourself and many others , I . am indebted for favours received , which ivill never be forgotten . I think it is but justice to say that I believe Bro . AA ilsou to be more familiar ivith what little information it has been my privilege to impart , as he has been present at all times ivhen I gave tbe American lecture , ivith only one exception ; and I am sure he Avill readily

give information to less informed brethren ivho can make it convenient to call on him . And here I would beg leave to say to the Masons of England—you cannot be too strict ivith American Masons "as regards the universal test of Masonry . " And further , if the examininations that liave come under my observation since I haA'e been in England , arc a fair sample of the standard used in this country , that standard is not sufficient to protect you from

American imposition . I say this ivith all due deference to the intelligence and discretion of my English brethren . It may be very AVCII in this country where every Mason has a Grand Lodge certificate , the form of Avhich , together Avitb the names and numbers of the Lodges and the Grand Secretary's signature , every Master is more or less familiar ivith—but in America , very feAV Grand Lodges

grant certificates , and suppose they did , might they not fall into unworth y hands : could you tell Avhether the signatures AA"ere genuine or not ? For instance , I have in my possession a certificate ofthe Grand Lodge of England Avith the seal attached , but ivithout the signatures , and I ask what would prevent my forging that certificate and presenting it to a country Lodge in tlicUiihed States , or any other foreign country , where * they never saw one of your certificates , much less being familiar * with the Grand Secretary's signature .

'Thus , Avhile admitting that , a Grand Lodge certificate is an excellent document , and that even * Mason should possess one , yet in many respects it , is a dead letter . Is it not , ivell , then , to be sure that a stranger is familiar Avith the inside of a Lodge before you admit him . If lie is not , that is his fault and not yours , and if he finds that through his own laziness and for the Avant of a proper knowledge of our art he has failed to gain admission to

Lodges , it will stimulate him to apply himself until he lias acquired the necessary information ; and I should be proud if no American brother could get admission to any but , his mother Lodge until he had at least mastered the lectures as practised in the jurisdiction ivhen he lirst saw the lig ht , _ If this ivere the case we should not liave so many indolent , indifferent drones hanging around , sucking the life out of our more industrious and useful Masons !

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