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The Irish Daughter Lodge Of Mother Kilwinning.
Heath , G . Rainsford , J . Wheeler , E . Zimmerman , Laurent , and W . Rainsford . . . . Resolved that the several pass'd Masters ( oompyling strictly with the 12 th rule ) be the first made , and atthto prevent jealousy the rest ofthe members' names be written and put
in a hat and the list taken as they are drawn out , and as many as is convenient agreeable to said list summoned from day fco day till all are made in turn , agreeable to the 12 th rule . S . P . S . Darling ; S . P .. W . Rainsford , Scribe . "
" 1782 . Feby . 10 . Kilwinning Lodge open'd in form—the Worshipful in the chair . ... A . motion made that a number of our pass'd Masters hold a conference as soon as convenient wifch the
same number of the Royal Aroh Lodge , for the purpose of making both Lodges alike in this Degree . Had an ample lecture on the Royal Aroh from our principal instructor . . . . S . Darling , EGM ; Francs . Heath , EGJW ; Thos . Todderick ; W . Hftinsford . "
" 1782 . June 23 . Kilwinning Lodge open'd in ample form—the Worshipful in the ohair ; nine members present . Were visited by Bro . Fleury from Paris . A Prince Mason Lodge open'd , when Brs . Walter Wade & J . Dillon were admitted to said Degree in ample form . . . . W . Rainsford , Scribe . "
" 1782 . Aug . 25 . Kilwinning Lodge open'd in ample form—the Worshipfnl in the ohair ; nine members present . A Royal Aroh Lodge open'd , when Bro . Bates , having gone through a most satisfactory examination , a High Knight Templars Lodge was open'd and he raised to that Sublime Degree with all accustomed trials of skill and valour . . . . "
" 1782 . Sept . 7 . A Prince Mason Lodge assembled at Bro . W . Rainsford ' s : present , Brs . Geo . Rainsford , Darling , Heath , Wade , Zimmerman , and W . Rainsford . As the members of this Degree find that by some mistake their original intention of admitting none to tbe Degree without Ballot has been omitted in all their former
transactions—1 Resolve that from the date hereof no person be admitted to this Degree otherwise than by ballot ; one black bean to exclude ; members to vote by proxy . 2 Resolved that after such members as are now belonging to our Kilwinning Lodge are admitted , no Mason be made in this Degree unless ( as well as
proving his skill in Masonry ) he can vouch his being three years a regular member of this or some other Lodge . 3 Resolved that after suoh members as are now belonging to onr Kilwinning Lodge are made , no one be admitted to this Degree under the price of one guinea for those who continue members , and guineas who do nofc
continue contributing members ; that after the Lodge 584 is reimbursed the sum borrowed and expended for preparation for this Degree , all admission money for it to be made a separate fund sacred to the use of this Degree alone . Ordered that a Lodge of
tbiB Degree be summon'd for Monday night next ; the several pass'd Masters belonging to the Kilwinning Lodge ( as per transaction of 7 th Feb . ) be summoned to be made . SP . * Geo . Rainsford , W . ; SP * S . Darling , PS ; SP * W . Rainsford , Scribe . "
" 1782 Sept 9 Kilwinning Lodge open'd in due form—the Worshipfnl in the chair . A Knight Templars Lodge open'd . Bro John Peree having gone through the examination required by the rules , a Prince Mason Lodge opened , when he was raised to this degree . " [ Prince Masonry is not again alluded to in the old minute book . ]
" 17 Feb 1796 Kilwinning Lodge of Ireland open'd a Grand Sublime Council in ample form—the Sublime Commander . Bro . Edward Semple , in the chair , when the following brethren were raised to that degree , viz ., Rt Honble James Lord Kilmaine , Hon
and Rev George Brown , Alexr Jeffrey , Esq , Michael Gavan , Esq , John Spiller , Esq Sublime Council closed in harmony . Edward Semple , SGC Present of this Lodge : J Little , S Darling , Rd Darling , Jno Fowler . "
" Kilwinning Lodge of Ireland , No . 1 , 13 May 1796 . Chapter open'd in due form . Call'd up to a Knight Templars Encampment , when Bro . George Darling of this Lodge . . . John Hunt , late of Roman Eagle were after due form and ancient usage initiated into this most sublime degree . Edward Semple , EG . . . " ( To be continued . )
This current month of October will be a busy one for our good brethren of Northampton . On Monday , the 17 th , Bro . the Earl of Euston will be installed as the Rt . Wor .
the Provincial Grand Master of Northamptonshire and Huntingdonshire , in succession to the Duke of Manchester , K . P . The meeting will be held in the Town Hall , Northampton .
On Tuesday , the 18 th instant , H . R . H . Prince Albert Victor , Grand Senior Warden , will lay the Foundation Stone of the Jubilee Wing of the County Infirmary ; he will be supported by Grand Lodge Officers , and the newlyinstalled Provincial Grand Master , with fche Prov . Grand Lodge of Norths and Hunts .
The Annual Festival of the Eleanor Cross Lodge , ancl the installation of its W . M ., will also take place on Tuesday , at the Masonic Hall , Northampton . Bro . Rev . T . C . Beasley P . P . G . Chaplain will instal his successor , Bro . T . Emery P . P . G . D . J
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FUNERALS properly carried out and personally attended in London or Country , by Bro . G . A . HTJTTO"N * , 17 Newcastle Btw » t , Strand , W . O . Monuments , erected . "Valuations made .
Correspondence.
CORRESPONDENCE .
We do not hold ourselves responsible for the opinions ef our Cor . respondents . All letters must bear the name and address of the Writer , not necessarily for publication , but as a guarantee of good faith . We cannot undertake to return rejected communications .
BRO . BRENNAN AND BRO . MEYER . To the Editor of the FREEMASON ' S CHRONICLE . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —During a quarter of a century I have taken part in many warm discussions in connection with Masonio matters , and have contributed to the rectifying of much that had been wrong in rival claimi to precedence and the like , bufc in no case
did I experience treatment suoh as that to whioh Bro . Brennan haa recently subjected the distinguished writer to whom he is opposed in the claim of Boston fco tbe hononr of being the Mother City of legitimate chartered Freemasonry in America . Bro . Meyer has
many friends and admirers in Scotland , and they thoroughly believe in his veracity . I ask to be permitted to say" ditto" to the protests of my friends and fellow labourers in the field of Masonio literature , Brothers Woodford and Hughan , whioh have appeared in the FREEMASON ' S CHRONICLE .
Fraternally yours , D . MURRAY LTON , Grand Secretary Scotland .
THE NEW PHILADELPHIA AND TIME IMMEMORIAL THEORY .
To the Editor of the FREEMASON ' S CHRONICLE . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —AS both Bro . Jacob Norton and Bro . J . F . Brennan run pretty much in the same groove , one reply , as the same ground is covered by both combatants , will suffice for both . In re Jacob Norton .
My excellent and worthy antagonist cannot have read my humble words with his usual good spectacles . I never presumed to dogmatise ; I merely offered suggestions as regards a possible explanation of a crux . At present , as ifc seems to me , we none of us can speak decisively , much less dogmatically . All we can do at the
best is to theorise , and to offer the best we have of suppositious suggestiveness . My remarks originally about the proceedings in 1732 were therefore purely based on probability , not certainty . If to-day we knew what they actually did do , and why they did ifc in 1732 , onr Bro . Jacob Norton ' s cleverness and destrnctivoness , and my
humbler conservative tendencies would be alike useless and valueless . It is just because we do not know , that we are reduced to the dilemma so cleverly put before ns by Bro . Gould , viz ., thafc in Coxe ' s case we have the evidence of a Patent , but no evidence of
" user ; in Price s we have evidence of " user , " but no evidence of the Patent . Bro . Gonld , as I understand his words , believes in the issue of both Patents , though not in the " extension " to Price by Lord Crawford . Bro . J . Norton , " an contraire , " now accepts Coxe ' s Patent as a fact , but starts the theory of independent action , carried on ,
as he says , with the full knowledge of Franklin , and rejects the Patent as regards Price , but accepts a Deputation theory . But if there was no Patent , what is the evidence of a Deputation to open a Lodge ? Where does Bro . Jacob Norton find the evidence for such a procedure ?
If the evidence for the Prov . Grand Mastership fails , where is the evidence of a Lodge W-irrant , or a Deputation to Price to open a Lodge ? Price ' s whole character and statements Mason i cally are affected by the worth of his allegations .
If he is not to be believed in these , his repeated stafcemenfcr and asseverations , he cannot be believed in anything , and neifches Bros . Norton nor Brennan seem to me to realise the position , in respect of veracity and truth , they place fche Brethren at Boston in , in addition to Price , in all that relates to his Provincial Grand
Mastership , by absolutely denying the issue of the Patent . One great difficulty , no doubt , is the absence of any original doonment , and in having to deal with transcripts and second-hand evidences ; bufc we can hardly , as Bro . Gould evidently feels , pass over the repeated declarations from various Masonic personalities
and documents from Boston to England , and the fact that Price's name was so long on the Grand Lodge List as a Prov . Grand Master for all North America , and Grand Secretary French ' s statements , and the memoranda he quotes . We cannot it is true to-day explain cither the discrepancies in fche
evidence , or tho "laches" of the office at home , or tho singular disappearance of all the original documents ; but to affix the stigma of deliberate mendacity on a whole neqnence of brethren ia , as I see it , a very uncritical and unsound method of proeeednre . I therefore adhere to tbe reality of the P--. tsu . fc to Price , despite
much difficulty , as if that ia untrue the Brethren in Boston ara precisely in the same position for legality aa the Philadt-lphia Brethren , assuming that the meeting in 1731 waa outside , ( for now we seem to see it was , ) Coxe ' s Patent altogether . A Boston Lodge was on tho English Grand Lod" * e Lisfca
undoubtedly in 1734 without date , and a Lodge at Philud « lpbia in the Irish " Companion " in 1735 of probable date 1730-31 . In respect to Bro . Brennan ' s nrgumeuls as to the Time Immemorial Lodge on Mackey ' s Landmarks , I cannot admit that Mackey ' s Landmarks have any authority besides his own , and I doubt very much
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The Irish Daughter Lodge Of Mother Kilwinning.
Heath , G . Rainsford , J . Wheeler , E . Zimmerman , Laurent , and W . Rainsford . . . . Resolved that the several pass'd Masters ( oompyling strictly with the 12 th rule ) be the first made , and atthto prevent jealousy the rest ofthe members' names be written and put
in a hat and the list taken as they are drawn out , and as many as is convenient agreeable to said list summoned from day fco day till all are made in turn , agreeable to the 12 th rule . S . P . S . Darling ; S . P .. W . Rainsford , Scribe . "
" 1782 . Feby . 10 . Kilwinning Lodge open'd in form—the Worshipful in the chair . ... A . motion made that a number of our pass'd Masters hold a conference as soon as convenient wifch the
same number of the Royal Aroh Lodge , for the purpose of making both Lodges alike in this Degree . Had an ample lecture on the Royal Aroh from our principal instructor . . . . S . Darling , EGM ; Francs . Heath , EGJW ; Thos . Todderick ; W . Hftinsford . "
" 1782 . June 23 . Kilwinning Lodge open'd in ample form—the Worshipful in the ohair ; nine members present . Were visited by Bro . Fleury from Paris . A Prince Mason Lodge open'd , when Brs . Walter Wade & J . Dillon were admitted to said Degree in ample form . . . . W . Rainsford , Scribe . "
" 1782 . Aug . 25 . Kilwinning Lodge open'd in ample form—the Worshipfnl in the ohair ; nine members present . A Royal Aroh Lodge open'd , when Bro . Bates , having gone through a most satisfactory examination , a High Knight Templars Lodge was open'd and he raised to that Sublime Degree with all accustomed trials of skill and valour . . . . "
" 1782 . Sept . 7 . A Prince Mason Lodge assembled at Bro . W . Rainsford ' s : present , Brs . Geo . Rainsford , Darling , Heath , Wade , Zimmerman , and W . Rainsford . As the members of this Degree find that by some mistake their original intention of admitting none to tbe Degree without Ballot has been omitted in all their former
transactions—1 Resolve that from the date hereof no person be admitted to this Degree otherwise than by ballot ; one black bean to exclude ; members to vote by proxy . 2 Resolved that after such members as are now belonging to our Kilwinning Lodge are admitted , no Mason be made in this Degree unless ( as well as
proving his skill in Masonry ) he can vouch his being three years a regular member of this or some other Lodge . 3 Resolved that after suoh members as are now belonging to onr Kilwinning Lodge are made , no one be admitted to this Degree under the price of one guinea for those who continue members , and guineas who do nofc
continue contributing members ; that after the Lodge 584 is reimbursed the sum borrowed and expended for preparation for this Degree , all admission money for it to be made a separate fund sacred to the use of this Degree alone . Ordered that a Lodge of
tbiB Degree be summon'd for Monday night next ; the several pass'd Masters belonging to the Kilwinning Lodge ( as per transaction of 7 th Feb . ) be summoned to be made . SP . * Geo . Rainsford , W . ; SP * S . Darling , PS ; SP * W . Rainsford , Scribe . "
" 1782 Sept 9 Kilwinning Lodge open'd in due form—the Worshipfnl in the chair . A Knight Templars Lodge open'd . Bro John Peree having gone through the examination required by the rules , a Prince Mason Lodge opened , when he was raised to this degree . " [ Prince Masonry is not again alluded to in the old minute book . ]
" 17 Feb 1796 Kilwinning Lodge of Ireland open'd a Grand Sublime Council in ample form—the Sublime Commander . Bro . Edward Semple , in the chair , when the following brethren were raised to that degree , viz ., Rt Honble James Lord Kilmaine , Hon
and Rev George Brown , Alexr Jeffrey , Esq , Michael Gavan , Esq , John Spiller , Esq Sublime Council closed in harmony . Edward Semple , SGC Present of this Lodge : J Little , S Darling , Rd Darling , Jno Fowler . "
" Kilwinning Lodge of Ireland , No . 1 , 13 May 1796 . Chapter open'd in due form . Call'd up to a Knight Templars Encampment , when Bro . George Darling of this Lodge . . . John Hunt , late of Roman Eagle were after due form and ancient usage initiated into this most sublime degree . Edward Semple , EG . . . " ( To be continued . )
This current month of October will be a busy one for our good brethren of Northampton . On Monday , the 17 th , Bro . the Earl of Euston will be installed as the Rt . Wor .
the Provincial Grand Master of Northamptonshire and Huntingdonshire , in succession to the Duke of Manchester , K . P . The meeting will be held in the Town Hall , Northampton .
On Tuesday , the 18 th instant , H . R . H . Prince Albert Victor , Grand Senior Warden , will lay the Foundation Stone of the Jubilee Wing of the County Infirmary ; he will be supported by Grand Lodge Officers , and the newlyinstalled Provincial Grand Master , with fche Prov . Grand Lodge of Norths and Hunts .
The Annual Festival of the Eleanor Cross Lodge , ancl the installation of its W . M ., will also take place on Tuesday , at the Masonic Hall , Northampton . Bro . Rev . T . C . Beasley P . P . G . Chaplain will instal his successor , Bro . T . Emery P . P . G . D . J
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FUNERALS properly carried out and personally attended in London or Country , by Bro . G . A . HTJTTO"N * , 17 Newcastle Btw » t , Strand , W . O . Monuments , erected . "Valuations made .
Correspondence.
CORRESPONDENCE .
We do not hold ourselves responsible for the opinions ef our Cor . respondents . All letters must bear the name and address of the Writer , not necessarily for publication , but as a guarantee of good faith . We cannot undertake to return rejected communications .
BRO . BRENNAN AND BRO . MEYER . To the Editor of the FREEMASON ' S CHRONICLE . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —During a quarter of a century I have taken part in many warm discussions in connection with Masonio matters , and have contributed to the rectifying of much that had been wrong in rival claimi to precedence and the like , bufc in no case
did I experience treatment suoh as that to whioh Bro . Brennan haa recently subjected the distinguished writer to whom he is opposed in the claim of Boston fco tbe hononr of being the Mother City of legitimate chartered Freemasonry in America . Bro . Meyer has
many friends and admirers in Scotland , and they thoroughly believe in his veracity . I ask to be permitted to say" ditto" to the protests of my friends and fellow labourers in the field of Masonio literature , Brothers Woodford and Hughan , whioh have appeared in the FREEMASON ' S CHRONICLE .
Fraternally yours , D . MURRAY LTON , Grand Secretary Scotland .
THE NEW PHILADELPHIA AND TIME IMMEMORIAL THEORY .
To the Editor of the FREEMASON ' S CHRONICLE . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —AS both Bro . Jacob Norton and Bro . J . F . Brennan run pretty much in the same groove , one reply , as the same ground is covered by both combatants , will suffice for both . In re Jacob Norton .
My excellent and worthy antagonist cannot have read my humble words with his usual good spectacles . I never presumed to dogmatise ; I merely offered suggestions as regards a possible explanation of a crux . At present , as ifc seems to me , we none of us can speak decisively , much less dogmatically . All we can do at the
best is to theorise , and to offer the best we have of suppositious suggestiveness . My remarks originally about the proceedings in 1732 were therefore purely based on probability , not certainty . If to-day we knew what they actually did do , and why they did ifc in 1732 , onr Bro . Jacob Norton ' s cleverness and destrnctivoness , and my
humbler conservative tendencies would be alike useless and valueless . It is just because we do not know , that we are reduced to the dilemma so cleverly put before ns by Bro . Gould , viz ., thafc in Coxe ' s case we have the evidence of a Patent , but no evidence of
" user ; in Price s we have evidence of " user , " but no evidence of the Patent . Bro . Gonld , as I understand his words , believes in the issue of both Patents , though not in the " extension " to Price by Lord Crawford . Bro . J . Norton , " an contraire , " now accepts Coxe ' s Patent as a fact , but starts the theory of independent action , carried on ,
as he says , with the full knowledge of Franklin , and rejects the Patent as regards Price , but accepts a Deputation theory . But if there was no Patent , what is the evidence of a Deputation to open a Lodge ? Where does Bro . Jacob Norton find the evidence for such a procedure ?
If the evidence for the Prov . Grand Mastership fails , where is the evidence of a Lodge W-irrant , or a Deputation to Price to open a Lodge ? Price ' s whole character and statements Mason i cally are affected by the worth of his allegations .
If he is not to be believed in these , his repeated stafcemenfcr and asseverations , he cannot be believed in anything , and neifches Bros . Norton nor Brennan seem to me to realise the position , in respect of veracity and truth , they place fche Brethren at Boston in , in addition to Price , in all that relates to his Provincial Grand
Mastership , by absolutely denying the issue of the Patent . One great difficulty , no doubt , is the absence of any original doonment , and in having to deal with transcripts and second-hand evidences ; bufc we can hardly , as Bro . Gould evidently feels , pass over the repeated declarations from various Masonic personalities
and documents from Boston to England , and the fact that Price's name was so long on the Grand Lodge List as a Prov . Grand Master for all North America , and Grand Secretary French ' s statements , and the memoranda he quotes . We cannot it is true to-day explain cither the discrepancies in fche
evidence , or tho "laches" of the office at home , or tho singular disappearance of all the original documents ; but to affix the stigma of deliberate mendacity on a whole neqnence of brethren ia , as I see it , a very uncritical and unsound method of proeeednre . I therefore adhere to tbe reality of the P--. tsu . fc to Price , despite
much difficulty , as if that ia untrue the Brethren in Boston ara precisely in the same position for legality aa the Philadt-lphia Brethren , assuming that the meeting in 1731 waa outside , ( for now we seem to see it was , ) Coxe ' s Patent altogether . A Boston Lodge was on tho English Grand Lod" * e Lisfca
undoubtedly in 1734 without date , and a Lodge at Philud « lpbia in the Irish " Companion " in 1735 of probable date 1730-31 . In respect to Bro . Brennan ' s nrgumeuls as to the Time Immemorial Lodge on Mackey ' s Landmarks , I cannot admit that Mackey ' s Landmarks have any authority besides his own , and I doubt very much