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House Of Commons.
Sir John Sinclair said , that , as the purpose of that report might be better an-W . ere ' d by dividing the Bill which had been prepared on the subject , he would now move , that the Chairman be directed to move for leave to bring in two bills ; the first for enabling the whole of the ownels of common lands , when * hey shall be unanimous , to inclose them , notwithstanding some legal disabilities ; the second , to enable any owners of such lands to inclose the several parts irhwh may belong to themselves . Gentleman had divided his bills
The Solicitor General was glad that the Hon . , because he had no objection to the first of them ; nor did he mean to oppose the bringing in of the second , though he should have some objection to it . Monday 8 . The House in a Committee of Supply , Mr . Pitt said , that he was well aware , that when proposing to increase the public burthens , he should be expected to say something of the causes that led to the augmentation . In the present instance , however , prudence and policy would prevent his entering into any discussion ; and he entreated the House rather to trust to their silent judgment , than to agitate a subject , of which the slightest misrepresentation might , give cause to the most alarming effects .
He then proceeded to state , that the increase of prw to the different classes ot men would amount to 351 , 000 ! . and the increased eighth in the expence of victualling to 115 , oool . making 4 66 , 000 ! . for one year . It should , however , be observed , that the estimate of victualling was founded upon an old rate , when provisions were much cheaper than at present . What the actual sum wanted would , be , he could not sav , but he would take the total sum for nine months , beginning in April , at " 372 , 000 k He therefore moved , ' that a sum not exceeding 372 , 000 k be granted to his Majesty , to enable him to defray the expence of the and the full allowance of
increased pay of the Seamen and Marines , provisions . ' Mr . Fox said , that he should consider it as a . dereliction of his duty , if he gave the silent vote that was called for . It was not from discussion , but from silence , that the present mischief had proceeded . If , when it was first known that the seamen and marines were dissatisfied , the House had been made the confidants o ? Ministers , and the business had been properly discussed , the events of Easier would not have taken place . Or if immediately after Easter the question had been openly itatedwe should not now be reduced to such a situation . But .
ag , the scandalous delay of a fortnight , which Ministers had interposed , and for which he hoped they would be made to answer , seemed to have been purposely meant to give room for misrepresentation . During the rest of the debate , Messrs . Pitt , Fox , and Sheridan were tlie only speakers . The former justified the delay and declined discussion , and the two latter reprobated the affected secrecy and tardy measures of Ministers ., The resolution then passed .
Tuesday *) . Mr . Whitbread gave notice , that unless the Minister should properly explain his conduct inthe Mutiny , he should move for a vote of censure on him , for not having come down to Parliament immediately after the recess with an estimate of the expence attending the increased allowance to seamen . Mr . Pilt said , he should reserve his appeal to the justice of the House til ! the motion should be made . He observed , however , that as early as the 26 th of April , the business was referred to a Commil'ee of lhe Privy Council ; and that immediately after the recess he had stated that a communication from the
Sovereign to Parliament , inviting it to make good the additional allowances , might be speedily expected . When he opened the budget , he bad also expresslystated , that the increased allowance -o seamen was not included in the vote for I'J ' ava ! Services . This made it evident , that the Executive Government meant lo bring the matter before Parliament as soon as ' the customary forms would admit . But had they supposed any misconception could arise from official delay , they Would certainly have proceeded with greater promptitude . On any future occasion , he should be happv to submit his conduct to the Housebutat presentit was
; , , his duty to recommend that a Bill founded on the resolutions already adopted , should immediately pass . Mr . Fox asser'ed . that the effects of the mischievous delay in question might easily have been foreseen ; and that the Lords of the Admiralty had exhibited their iBcagacity , by meanly chaffering with the seamen , and bidding z littl < s
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House Of Commons.
Sir John Sinclair said , that , as the purpose of that report might be better an-W . ere ' d by dividing the Bill which had been prepared on the subject , he would now move , that the Chairman be directed to move for leave to bring in two bills ; the first for enabling the whole of the ownels of common lands , when * hey shall be unanimous , to inclose them , notwithstanding some legal disabilities ; the second , to enable any owners of such lands to inclose the several parts irhwh may belong to themselves . Gentleman had divided his bills
The Solicitor General was glad that the Hon . , because he had no objection to the first of them ; nor did he mean to oppose the bringing in of the second , though he should have some objection to it . Monday 8 . The House in a Committee of Supply , Mr . Pitt said , that he was well aware , that when proposing to increase the public burthens , he should be expected to say something of the causes that led to the augmentation . In the present instance , however , prudence and policy would prevent his entering into any discussion ; and he entreated the House rather to trust to their silent judgment , than to agitate a subject , of which the slightest misrepresentation might , give cause to the most alarming effects .
He then proceeded to state , that the increase of prw to the different classes ot men would amount to 351 , 000 ! . and the increased eighth in the expence of victualling to 115 , oool . making 4 66 , 000 ! . for one year . It should , however , be observed , that the estimate of victualling was founded upon an old rate , when provisions were much cheaper than at present . What the actual sum wanted would , be , he could not sav , but he would take the total sum for nine months , beginning in April , at " 372 , 000 k He therefore moved , ' that a sum not exceeding 372 , 000 k be granted to his Majesty , to enable him to defray the expence of the and the full allowance of
increased pay of the Seamen and Marines , provisions . ' Mr . Fox said , that he should consider it as a . dereliction of his duty , if he gave the silent vote that was called for . It was not from discussion , but from silence , that the present mischief had proceeded . If , when it was first known that the seamen and marines were dissatisfied , the House had been made the confidants o ? Ministers , and the business had been properly discussed , the events of Easier would not have taken place . Or if immediately after Easter the question had been openly itatedwe should not now be reduced to such a situation . But .
ag , the scandalous delay of a fortnight , which Ministers had interposed , and for which he hoped they would be made to answer , seemed to have been purposely meant to give room for misrepresentation . During the rest of the debate , Messrs . Pitt , Fox , and Sheridan were tlie only speakers . The former justified the delay and declined discussion , and the two latter reprobated the affected secrecy and tardy measures of Ministers ., The resolution then passed .
Tuesday *) . Mr . Whitbread gave notice , that unless the Minister should properly explain his conduct inthe Mutiny , he should move for a vote of censure on him , for not having come down to Parliament immediately after the recess with an estimate of the expence attending the increased allowance to seamen . Mr . Pilt said , he should reserve his appeal to the justice of the House til ! the motion should be made . He observed , however , that as early as the 26 th of April , the business was referred to a Commil'ee of lhe Privy Council ; and that immediately after the recess he had stated that a communication from the
Sovereign to Parliament , inviting it to make good the additional allowances , might be speedily expected . When he opened the budget , he bad also expresslystated , that the increased allowance -o seamen was not included in the vote for I'J ' ava ! Services . This made it evident , that the Executive Government meant lo bring the matter before Parliament as soon as ' the customary forms would admit . But had they supposed any misconception could arise from official delay , they Would certainly have proceeded with greater promptitude . On any future occasion , he should be happv to submit his conduct to the Housebutat presentit was
; , , his duty to recommend that a Bill founded on the resolutions already adopted , should immediately pass . Mr . Fox asser'ed . that the effects of the mischievous delay in question might easily have been foreseen ; and that the Lords of the Admiralty had exhibited their iBcagacity , by meanly chaffering with the seamen , and bidding z littl < s