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House Of Commons.

Sir John Sinclair said , that , as the purpose of that report might be better an-W . ere ' d by dividing the Bill which had been prepared on the subject , he would now move , that the Chairman be directed to move for leave to bring in two bills ; the first for enabling the whole of the ownels of common lands , when * hey shall be unanimous , to inclose them , notwithstanding some legal disabilities ; the second , to enable any owners of such lands to inclose the several parts irhwh may belong to themselves . Gentleman had divided his bills

The Solicitor General was glad that the Hon . , because he had no objection to the first of them ; nor did he mean to oppose the bringing in of the second , though he should have some objection to it . Monday 8 . The House in a Committee of Supply , Mr . Pitt said , that he was well aware , that when proposing to increase the public burthens , he should be expected to say something of the causes that led to the augmentation . In the present instance , however , prudence and policy would prevent his entering into any discussion ; and he entreated the House rather to trust to their silent judgment , than to agitate a subject , of which the slightest misrepresentation might , give cause to the most alarming effects .

He then proceeded to state , that the increase of prw to the different classes ot men would amount to 351 , 000 ! . and the increased eighth in the expence of victualling to 115 , oool . making 4 66 , 000 ! . for one year . It should , however , be observed , that the estimate of victualling was founded upon an old rate , when provisions were much cheaper than at present . What the actual sum wanted would , be , he could not sav , but he would take the total sum for nine months , beginning in April , at " 372 , 000 k He therefore moved , ' that a sum not exceeding 372 , 000 k be granted to his Majesty , to enable him to defray the expence of the and the full allowance of

increased pay of the Seamen and Marines , provisions . ' Mr . Fox said , that he should consider it as a . dereliction of his duty , if he gave the silent vote that was called for . It was not from discussion , but from silence , that the present mischief had proceeded . If , when it was first known that the seamen and marines were dissatisfied , the House had been made the confidants o ? Ministers , and the business had been properly discussed , the events of Easier would not have taken place . Or if immediately after Easter the question had been openly itatedwe should not now be reduced to such a situation . But .

ag , the scandalous delay of a fortnight , which Ministers had interposed , and for which he hoped they would be made to answer , seemed to have been purposely meant to give room for misrepresentation . During the rest of the debate , Messrs . Pitt , Fox , and Sheridan were tlie only speakers . The former justified the delay and declined discussion , and the two latter reprobated the affected secrecy and tardy measures of Ministers ., The resolution then passed .

Tuesday *) . Mr . Whitbread gave notice , that unless the Minister should properly explain his conduct inthe Mutiny , he should move for a vote of censure on him , for not having come down to Parliament immediately after the recess with an estimate of the expence attending the increased allowance to seamen . Mr . Pilt said , he should reserve his appeal to the justice of the House til ! the motion should be made . He observed , however , that as early as the 26 th of April , the business was referred to a Commil'ee of lhe Privy Council ; and that immediately after the recess he had stated that a communication from the

Sovereign to Parliament , inviting it to make good the additional allowances , might be speedily expected . When he opened the budget , he bad also expresslystated , that the increased allowance -o seamen was not included in the vote for I'J ' ava ! Services . This made it evident , that the Executive Government meant lo bring the matter before Parliament as soon as ' the customary forms would admit . But had they supposed any misconception could arise from official delay , they Would certainly have proceeded with greater promptitude . On any future occasion , he should be happv to submit his conduct to the Housebutat presentit was

; , , his duty to recommend that a Bill founded on the resolutions already adopted , should immediately pass . Mr . Fox asser'ed . that the effects of the mischievous delay in question might easily have been foreseen ; and that the Lords of the Admiralty had exhibited their iBcagacity , by meanly chaffering with the seamen , and bidding z littl < s

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LONDON: Article 2
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THE LIFE OF DAVID GARRICK, ESQ. Article 4
SlNGULAR CUSTOM IN DEVONSHIRE. Article 9
WEST INDIA CRUELTY. Article 9
A REVIEW OF THE LIFE AND WRITINGS OF THE RIGHT HONOURABLE EDMUND BURKE. Article 10
HISTORY OF THE SCIENCES FOR 1797. Article 16
DESCRIPTION OF THE PEAK OF TENERIFFE. Article 18
ON THE PECULIAR EXCELLENCIES OF HANDEL'S MUSIC. Article 20
THE COLLECTOR. Article 22
THE FREEMASONS' REPOSITORY. Article 27
ON THE MASONIC CHARACTER. Article 35
A VINDICATION OF MASONRY. Article 37
REVIEW OF NEW PUBLICATIONS. Article 42
POETRY. Article 50
REPORT OF THE PROCEEDINGS OF THE BRITISH PARLIAMENT. Article 54
HOUSE OF COMMONS. Article 55
MONTHLY CHRONICLE. Article 62
OBITUARY. Article 72
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House Of Commons.

Sir John Sinclair said , that , as the purpose of that report might be better an-W . ere ' d by dividing the Bill which had been prepared on the subject , he would now move , that the Chairman be directed to move for leave to bring in two bills ; the first for enabling the whole of the ownels of common lands , when * hey shall be unanimous , to inclose them , notwithstanding some legal disabilities ; the second , to enable any owners of such lands to inclose the several parts irhwh may belong to themselves . Gentleman had divided his bills

The Solicitor General was glad that the Hon . , because he had no objection to the first of them ; nor did he mean to oppose the bringing in of the second , though he should have some objection to it . Monday 8 . The House in a Committee of Supply , Mr . Pitt said , that he was well aware , that when proposing to increase the public burthens , he should be expected to say something of the causes that led to the augmentation . In the present instance , however , prudence and policy would prevent his entering into any discussion ; and he entreated the House rather to trust to their silent judgment , than to agitate a subject , of which the slightest misrepresentation might , give cause to the most alarming effects .

He then proceeded to state , that the increase of prw to the different classes ot men would amount to 351 , 000 ! . and the increased eighth in the expence of victualling to 115 , oool . making 4 66 , 000 ! . for one year . It should , however , be observed , that the estimate of victualling was founded upon an old rate , when provisions were much cheaper than at present . What the actual sum wanted would , be , he could not sav , but he would take the total sum for nine months , beginning in April , at " 372 , 000 k He therefore moved , ' that a sum not exceeding 372 , 000 k be granted to his Majesty , to enable him to defray the expence of the and the full allowance of

increased pay of the Seamen and Marines , provisions . ' Mr . Fox said , that he should consider it as a . dereliction of his duty , if he gave the silent vote that was called for . It was not from discussion , but from silence , that the present mischief had proceeded . If , when it was first known that the seamen and marines were dissatisfied , the House had been made the confidants o ? Ministers , and the business had been properly discussed , the events of Easier would not have taken place . Or if immediately after Easter the question had been openly itatedwe should not now be reduced to such a situation . But .

ag , the scandalous delay of a fortnight , which Ministers had interposed , and for which he hoped they would be made to answer , seemed to have been purposely meant to give room for misrepresentation . During the rest of the debate , Messrs . Pitt , Fox , and Sheridan were tlie only speakers . The former justified the delay and declined discussion , and the two latter reprobated the affected secrecy and tardy measures of Ministers ., The resolution then passed .

Tuesday *) . Mr . Whitbread gave notice , that unless the Minister should properly explain his conduct inthe Mutiny , he should move for a vote of censure on him , for not having come down to Parliament immediately after the recess with an estimate of the expence attending the increased allowance to seamen . Mr . Pilt said , he should reserve his appeal to the justice of the House til ! the motion should be made . He observed , however , that as early as the 26 th of April , the business was referred to a Commil'ee of lhe Privy Council ; and that immediately after the recess he had stated that a communication from the

Sovereign to Parliament , inviting it to make good the additional allowances , might be speedily expected . When he opened the budget , he bad also expresslystated , that the increased allowance -o seamen was not included in the vote for I'J ' ava ! Services . This made it evident , that the Executive Government meant lo bring the matter before Parliament as soon as ' the customary forms would admit . But had they supposed any misconception could arise from official delay , they Would certainly have proceeded with greater promptitude . On any future occasion , he should be happv to submit his conduct to the Housebutat presentit was

; , , his duty to recommend that a Bill founded on the resolutions already adopted , should immediately pass . Mr . Fox asser'ed . that the effects of the mischievous delay in question might easily have been foreseen ; and that the Lords of the Admiralty had exhibited their iBcagacity , by meanly chaffering with the seamen , and bidding z littl < s

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