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higher , and a little hi gher .. Their barg . iin , however , was concluded on the 250 of April ; and yet it was not till the 3 d of May that the Order of Council made its appearance , nor till the Sth , that the estimates were laid before the House . Would the House stand quietly by , and see the Nation ruined by such grossneglect and incapacity ? How should the Sailors understand the Minister ' s meaning , when it was often misunderstood even by that House ? fVednesdayw . Mr . Whitbread shewed the tardiness with which Ministers had proceeded to

apply for the sanction of Parliament to the claims of the seamen . Though the concession was made to them on the 23 d of April , the final Order of Council , was noi passed till the 3 d of May . For this delay the Minister found an excuse by referring to forms ; but such an excuse was gross and contemptible from a man , who , when any abridgment of national liberty was in question , trod under foot all-the forms of the House , and all the restrictions of tbe constitution . After severa l other observations equally severe , and after expressing a hope , that the cause of our present calamity would some day or other be minutely investigated , and Ministers , if found guiltv , be brought to condign punishment , Mr . Whit bread concluded bv moving , ( That the Right Honourable William Pitt , in having so long delayed to _ present to this House an estimate of the e . vpences to incurred

ne by the proposed increase of the pay of seamen , and by ordering them a full allowance of provisions , had been guilty of gross neglect of duty , and deserved the censure of the House . ' He afterwards amended his motion by inserting his Majestv ' s Ministers' in the room of ' William Pitt . ' Mr . Pitt said , that lie did not shrink from a share of the blame . The true question was , whether Ministers had reason to think extraordinary haste necessary . He then shewed the way in which they had forwarded the business through its successive stages ; asserted , that among many causes of the lale calamities ,

were gross misrepresentations , some of them stating that the seamens claims had been rejected ; and expressed his confidence that no wilful remissness at least would be imputed to the Members of Administration , since it ivas evident that their interest and their duty were , in the present case , too closely connected to admit of negligence . Mr . Fox , Mr . Cunt-en , Mr . Martin , and Lord George Cavendish , spoke for the motion ; Sir W . Geary , Mr . Rose , jun . Mr . York , and Mr . Dundas , against it . After which the House divided— -For . Mr . Whilbread ' s Motion , Ayes 63—Against it , Noes 237 .

Monday 15 . Mr . Wiiberforce said , that if he could but bring the House to a sense of their duty towards God and man , he should accomplish his purpose . It had been granted , that the slave trade was contrary to humanity and justice , and yet was its abolition resisted . Alluding to the critical state of public affairs , he said , that all who believed in a moral Providence must see that our perversencss in a horrid trade , only consistent with practical atheism , had provoked the divine vengeance , which appeared to have given us up to the effect of our own pervcrs * principlesHe concluded tor leave to in Bill for

. , by moving bring a abolishing the Slave Trade , at a time to be limited ; and that the House should then form itself jiuo a Committee , to take that motion Into consideration . The molion was opposed by Mr . Ellis , Mr . Edwards , Mr . Sewel , and Col . Gascoigne . It was supported b y Messrs . Pitt , Smith , Hobhouse , and Martin . Afterwhich the House divided . Ayes 74—Noes 82 . Tuesday 16 MrGrey declaredthat though in point of form his motion iva

. . , « chiefly directed against the Chancellor of the Exchequer , he nevertheless held all his Majesty'sMinisters to be equally amenable for the mischiefs that had happened . They were the result of a most calamitous system , which had been pursued with unvarying malevolence through the whole of the present reign ; which had lost us America , led us into a war with France , and would probably occasion the loss of Ireland also . He then proceeded to move a series of resolution ? , founded upon . the report , of the Secret Committee . The three principle ones imported , that

notwithstanding the remonstrances of the Bank against the demands made by Government , those demand * had been persevered in and repeated ; that similar remonstrances had been made with no belter efti-ct against loans , or other advances to the Emperor ; and that the Chancellor of the Exchequer had therein been guilty of a high crime and misdemeanour , and deserved the censure of the House . {[ TO BE aECl'AAIiXV COSIINVED . ^

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SlNGULAR CUSTOM IN DEVONSHIRE. Article 9
WEST INDIA CRUELTY. Article 9
A REVIEW OF THE LIFE AND WRITINGS OF THE RIGHT HONOURABLE EDMUND BURKE. Article 10
HISTORY OF THE SCIENCES FOR 1797. Article 16
DESCRIPTION OF THE PEAK OF TENERIFFE. Article 18
ON THE PECULIAR EXCELLENCIES OF HANDEL'S MUSIC. Article 20
THE COLLECTOR. Article 22
THE FREEMASONS' REPOSITORY. Article 27
ON THE MASONIC CHARACTER. Article 35
A VINDICATION OF MASONRY. Article 37
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House Of Commons.

higher , and a little hi gher .. Their barg . iin , however , was concluded on the 250 of April ; and yet it was not till the 3 d of May that the Order of Council made its appearance , nor till the Sth , that the estimates were laid before the House . Would the House stand quietly by , and see the Nation ruined by such grossneglect and incapacity ? How should the Sailors understand the Minister ' s meaning , when it was often misunderstood even by that House ? fVednesdayw . Mr . Whitbread shewed the tardiness with which Ministers had proceeded to

apply for the sanction of Parliament to the claims of the seamen . Though the concession was made to them on the 23 d of April , the final Order of Council , was noi passed till the 3 d of May . For this delay the Minister found an excuse by referring to forms ; but such an excuse was gross and contemptible from a man , who , when any abridgment of national liberty was in question , trod under foot all-the forms of the House , and all the restrictions of tbe constitution . After severa l other observations equally severe , and after expressing a hope , that the cause of our present calamity would some day or other be minutely investigated , and Ministers , if found guiltv , be brought to condign punishment , Mr . Whit bread concluded bv moving , ( That the Right Honourable William Pitt , in having so long delayed to _ present to this House an estimate of the e . vpences to incurred

ne by the proposed increase of the pay of seamen , and by ordering them a full allowance of provisions , had been guilty of gross neglect of duty , and deserved the censure of the House . ' He afterwards amended his motion by inserting his Majestv ' s Ministers' in the room of ' William Pitt . ' Mr . Pitt said , that lie did not shrink from a share of the blame . The true question was , whether Ministers had reason to think extraordinary haste necessary . He then shewed the way in which they had forwarded the business through its successive stages ; asserted , that among many causes of the lale calamities ,

were gross misrepresentations , some of them stating that the seamens claims had been rejected ; and expressed his confidence that no wilful remissness at least would be imputed to the Members of Administration , since it ivas evident that their interest and their duty were , in the present case , too closely connected to admit of negligence . Mr . Fox , Mr . Cunt-en , Mr . Martin , and Lord George Cavendish , spoke for the motion ; Sir W . Geary , Mr . Rose , jun . Mr . York , and Mr . Dundas , against it . After which the House divided— -For . Mr . Whilbread ' s Motion , Ayes 63—Against it , Noes 237 .

Monday 15 . Mr . Wiiberforce said , that if he could but bring the House to a sense of their duty towards God and man , he should accomplish his purpose . It had been granted , that the slave trade was contrary to humanity and justice , and yet was its abolition resisted . Alluding to the critical state of public affairs , he said , that all who believed in a moral Providence must see that our perversencss in a horrid trade , only consistent with practical atheism , had provoked the divine vengeance , which appeared to have given us up to the effect of our own pervcrs * principlesHe concluded tor leave to in Bill for

. , by moving bring a abolishing the Slave Trade , at a time to be limited ; and that the House should then form itself jiuo a Committee , to take that motion Into consideration . The molion was opposed by Mr . Ellis , Mr . Edwards , Mr . Sewel , and Col . Gascoigne . It was supported b y Messrs . Pitt , Smith , Hobhouse , and Martin . Afterwhich the House divided . Ayes 74—Noes 82 . Tuesday 16 MrGrey declaredthat though in point of form his motion iva

. . , « chiefly directed against the Chancellor of the Exchequer , he nevertheless held all his Majesty'sMinisters to be equally amenable for the mischiefs that had happened . They were the result of a most calamitous system , which had been pursued with unvarying malevolence through the whole of the present reign ; which had lost us America , led us into a war with France , and would probably occasion the loss of Ireland also . He then proceeded to move a series of resolution ? , founded upon . the report , of the Secret Committee . The three principle ones imported , that

notwithstanding the remonstrances of the Bank against the demands made by Government , those demand * had been persevered in and repeated ; that similar remonstrances had been made with no belter efti-ct against loans , or other advances to the Emperor ; and that the Chancellor of the Exchequer had therein been guilty of a high crime and misdemeanour , and deserved the censure of the House . {[ TO BE aECl'AAIiXV COSIINVED . ^

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