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Provincial.

niturc , plate , & c , ancl then they would have to pay managers , waiters , domestics , cooks , & c- At present it was stated they paid five thousand pounds a year to the tenant for Masonic banquets , and though this included those of private Lodges , still tho amount was exceedingly high , and he really thought it might be done much lower . If brethren would drink champagne and claret let them pay for it out of their own pockets . AVhy not supply all the dinners upon a certain scale at so much head ? Of coursebefore anything was done in respect to alteration of

per , the building , estimates would be prepared ancl laid down for consideration . The R . AV Prov . Grand Master here referred to certain observations published on the question in the Masonic Observer , some of which he said he certaiuly could not ngreo with . Heobjected to the provincial brethren paying for the convenience and benefit of those in London ; many of the provincial brethren went but seldom to I louclou , and could not avail themselves of benefits regularly open to and enjoyed bthoso resident in the London district . He sincerely hoped no measure would

y be adopted by means of which the Masonic body might become involved . He really thought the best plan would be for the persons who had the care of the hall to provide whatever Masons may want , and they in return pay for whatever they received . Bro . Ford enquired if the meeting intended to consider the questions of the circular seriatim !¦ Bro . Stebbing called attention to tho fact that it was then past three o ' clock .

He should take but little part hi the discussion himself , because ho felt but little disposed to trust the executive of Graud Lodge with the exelusive management of anything . If brethren preseut confined their remarks to the contents of the circular they would save time and easily come to a conclusion . They must either approve of the principles set forth in the first four , or that . of the last of the questions . Bro . the Eev . G . R . Portal , after come introductory remarks , said the question luaiulv turned upon this—were ihe Craft to become tavern keepers or not . They

held this—that it would not be exactly a creditable thing tor Loclge to meet m a room , that the next moment might be occupied by a body of teetotallers . For his own part he was extremely averse to Grand Lodge becoming a body of tavern keepers . Thoy well knew that no club in the west of London answered , so far as tbo subscriptions of the actual members who partook of its advantages wero concerned only . The funds were made up from the pockets of all those who did not go and partake of the advantages aud conveniences . Again , a farming gentleman did not make so much bfarming his land himself as he did by letting it out to

y practical men . Even supposing the tavern keeping should pay , if in case he was dissatisfied with anything provided by a tenant , he should require better or go elsewhere , and it would be to the tenants' interest to servo things well ; but if they were merely dependent upon their own house steward , that officer could say , in answer to any complaint , ** ' I am backed up by those who appointed mo , and thoy will support me , therefore I care not if you go or stay . " Tho victualling department wouldunder such circumstancesbe made as much a party question as any

, , other matter . He approved of the victualling being left to the tavern lessee , who should supply what was required and be paid for it by the consumers the same as in any other tavern . The reverend brother proceeded to argue , that by saving expenses to the Board of General Purposes Fund there would bo all the more for application to benevolent purposes . Special grants of money had already been made from the one fund to the other , but it could not again bo the case if tho General Purposes Funds were unwisely squandered iu speculation , Ho concluded That it is

by proposing a resolution , which was afterwards limdificd as follows : — ' the opinion of this Provincial Grand Lodgo that a Masonic library of reference improved offices , and exclusive Lodge-room should be provided ; that the tavern should be increased , and a coffee-room opened ; that Grand Lodgo should nofc provide refreshments—and that as largo a sum as possible should be annually given from the fund of General Purposes to the Masonic charities . " Bro . W . Russ , P . M ., No . !) U , said he cordially concurred in the observation of the Rev . Bro , Portal , and with great p leasure seconded his resolution .

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THE BOYS SCHOOL. Article 1
MASONIC MISSIONS. Article 4
A MASONIC FUNERAL ORATION. Article 9
MASONIC BAPTISM. Article 12
THE CURSE OF AVARICE. Article 17
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 18
THE MARK DEGREE. Article 18
MASONIC IMPOSTORS. Article 19
SONNET. Article 20
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 21
METROPOLITAN. Article 27
PROVINCIAL. Article 29
MARK MASONRY. Article 45
ROYAL ARCH. Article 45
THE WEEK. Article 46
NOTICES. Article 48
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 48
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Provincial.

niturc , plate , & c , ancl then they would have to pay managers , waiters , domestics , cooks , & c- At present it was stated they paid five thousand pounds a year to the tenant for Masonic banquets , and though this included those of private Lodges , still tho amount was exceedingly high , and he really thought it might be done much lower . If brethren would drink champagne and claret let them pay for it out of their own pockets . AVhy not supply all the dinners upon a certain scale at so much head ? Of coursebefore anything was done in respect to alteration of

per , the building , estimates would be prepared ancl laid down for consideration . The R . AV Prov . Grand Master here referred to certain observations published on the question in the Masonic Observer , some of which he said he certaiuly could not ngreo with . Heobjected to the provincial brethren paying for the convenience and benefit of those in London ; many of the provincial brethren went but seldom to I louclou , and could not avail themselves of benefits regularly open to and enjoyed bthoso resident in the London district . He sincerely hoped no measure would

y be adopted by means of which the Masonic body might become involved . He really thought the best plan would be for the persons who had the care of the hall to provide whatever Masons may want , and they in return pay for whatever they received . Bro . Ford enquired if the meeting intended to consider the questions of the circular seriatim !¦ Bro . Stebbing called attention to tho fact that it was then past three o ' clock .

He should take but little part hi the discussion himself , because ho felt but little disposed to trust the executive of Graud Lodge with the exelusive management of anything . If brethren preseut confined their remarks to the contents of the circular they would save time and easily come to a conclusion . They must either approve of the principles set forth in the first four , or that . of the last of the questions . Bro . the Eev . G . R . Portal , after come introductory remarks , said the question luaiulv turned upon this—were ihe Craft to become tavern keepers or not . They

held this—that it would not be exactly a creditable thing tor Loclge to meet m a room , that the next moment might be occupied by a body of teetotallers . For his own part he was extremely averse to Grand Lodge becoming a body of tavern keepers . Thoy well knew that no club in the west of London answered , so far as tbo subscriptions of the actual members who partook of its advantages wero concerned only . The funds were made up from the pockets of all those who did not go and partake of the advantages aud conveniences . Again , a farming gentleman did not make so much bfarming his land himself as he did by letting it out to

y practical men . Even supposing the tavern keeping should pay , if in case he was dissatisfied with anything provided by a tenant , he should require better or go elsewhere , and it would be to the tenants' interest to servo things well ; but if they were merely dependent upon their own house steward , that officer could say , in answer to any complaint , ** ' I am backed up by those who appointed mo , and thoy will support me , therefore I care not if you go or stay . " Tho victualling department wouldunder such circumstancesbe made as much a party question as any

, , other matter . He approved of the victualling being left to the tavern lessee , who should supply what was required and be paid for it by the consumers the same as in any other tavern . The reverend brother proceeded to argue , that by saving expenses to the Board of General Purposes Fund there would bo all the more for application to benevolent purposes . Special grants of money had already been made from the one fund to the other , but it could not again bo the case if tho General Purposes Funds were unwisely squandered iu speculation , Ho concluded That it is

by proposing a resolution , which was afterwards limdificd as follows : — ' the opinion of this Provincial Grand Lodgo that a Masonic library of reference improved offices , and exclusive Lodge-room should be provided ; that the tavern should be increased , and a coffee-room opened ; that Grand Lodgo should nofc provide refreshments—and that as largo a sum as possible should be annually given from the fund of General Purposes to the Masonic charities . " Bro . W . Russ , P . M ., No . !) U , said he cordially concurred in the observation of the Rev . Bro , Portal , and with great p leasure seconded his resolution .

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