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Bro. Melville And His Discoveries.

cule upon Masonry and Masons . What a disgrace would it he upon us in the present day if we kept secluded from the world of learning such a vast body of knowledge as is assumed by Bro . Melville . Fortunately it is not so , nor is it possible to persuade Masons or the public that it is possible for illiterate

men by becoming initiated as Masons , and eating more or less good or bad dinners , to acquire mysteriously such knowledge as Masons and non-Masons can only acquire by hard study . What Masons can have as their specialty is this , if they choose to avail themselves of it , that they

may attain to that height of philosophy and of human learning which consists in the cultivation of virtue . This has always justly been regarded as the hi ghest learning , ancl this even the most illiterate Mason may acquire and practice . For this we keep our own organization , we choose our own candidates , and adopt our own forms , and are only so far in the nature of things mysterious and exclusive as we are separated

from those who cannot or will not belong to us . As to Bro . Melville ' s pretensions , hoAvever much they may impose upon himself and others who know nothing of the subjects on which he treats , their assertion has been sufficient to convince every man of moderate information . No wonder that Bro .

Melville claims so much when he knows so little . Hence we hear about Assyrian and hieroglyphic discoveries , unknown to such great scholars as Bro . Oppert and others , who have spent the labour of lives on these matters . It is difficult to make the general public understand the true nature of Bro . Melville ' s position

in Syro-Egyptian studies . Luckily , he has in his last favoured us with a more familiar example . Some pages of your last number are taken up to shoAV that men of education do not know when Charles the First was beheaded . They state on 30 th Jan ., 1 G 49 , whereas Bro . Melville shows from contemporary documents that it Avas on the 30 th Jan ., 1 G 4 S .

I am almost ashamed to take up your space with such matters , for if a schoolboy in this day does not understand it , a man of Bro . Melville ' s age ought to know better . When anyone spends his days iu the British Museum Library , as Bro . Melville does , copying books and MSS ., he is expected to profit by

the ordinary hooks of reference . 30 Jan ., 1648 , and 30 Jan ., 1 G 49 , are both right , and both the same thing when rightlv understood . In lGd'S and 1 G 49 , the 30 Jan ., 1619 , was the 30 Jan ., 1 G-1 S , because the year then , and for 1700 years , did not begin on the 1 st of Jan . as Bro . Melville

supposes , nor did it so begin until long after . Bro . Melville will , perhaps , explain howit is that September , the 9 th month , means tlie 7 th , October the 8 th , NoA'ember the 9 th , and December the 10 th . AVhen the year was made to begin on the 1 st of January , then such a date was indicated as 30 Jan ., 16-48-9 .

Gradually , as the change was accepted , this form was dropped , and in all our new books the date is entered , 30 Jan ., 1 G 49 , but Bro . Melville will find histories enough with 1 G 4 S respectively , 1 G 4 S-9 ancl 1 G-19 . AH Bro . Melville's surmises consequently fall to the ground . Acs to Bro . Melville ' s unpublished and mysterious discoveries yet to be communicated , there is no need to pay one farthing for their elucidation , or to

propagate them through our lodges . We can rest contented Avith what we have . Yours fraternally , P . M .

TO THE EDI'IOE OF THE " FREEMASON ^ ' MAGAZINE ASD JIASOXtO JHEKOE . Dear Sir ancl Brother . —AVith reference to the remarkable paper contributed to your issue of the 1 st inst ., by Bro . Henry Melville , commenting upon discrepancies as to tho date of the martyrdom , of King Charles I ., I beg to point out that all well-informed persons are aware

that no discrepancy whatever on the point has ever existed . In its issue of the l 6 oh of February , 1861 , the Times drew public attention to the fact , that from old times the English civil and legal year commenced upon the 25 th of March , a circumstance which at once explodes the mare ' s nest upon which Bro . Melville has laid so much stress while the following paragraph from Timbs '

; " Things not Generally Known , " eighth edition , Kent and Co ., London , 1859 , pnge 165 , completely does away with any credit for accuracy as an . antiquarian and man of research , which unthinking- persons might feel disposed to accord to that brother- It is headed

" THE HISTORICAL AXD LEGAL YEARS . " Remarkable examples of the confusion produced by two modes of computing dates , are afforded hy two of tho most celebrated events in English history . King Chai-les I ., is said by most authorities to have been beheaded on the 30 th of January , 1648 ; Avhilst others , with equal correctness , assigned that event to the SOfch

January , 1649 . The Revolution , which drove James II . from the throne , is stated by some writers to have taken place in February , 1688 ; whilst according to others , ib happened in February , 16 S 9 . These discrepancies arise from some historians using tho civil and legal , and others the historical year ; although both would have assigned any circumstance after the 25 th of March to the same

years , namely , 1649 and 1689 . " To avoid , as much as possible , tho mistakes which this custom produced , it was usual to add the date of the historical to that of the legal year , when speaking of any day between tho 1 st of January and 25 th of March , thus :

« T QO irfi S '' - ' > 164 S , the civil and legal year . Jan . dU , 104- g ^ > ] 6 LP i thc historical year . or thus : January 30 , 1648-9 . "This practice , common as it has long been , is nevertheless frequently misunderstood ; ancl even intelligent are sometimes lexed bdates so written .

persons perp y The explanation , however , is perfectly simple ; for the loAver or last figure always indicates the year according to our present calculation . " Yours fraternally , PROVINCIAL G-M . 3 rd May , 1869 .

TO THE EDITOE OE THE EKEK . MASOys' MAGAZINE AXD rHASOyiC tflRKOB . Dear Sir and Brother , —Like " Seuex , " I am compelled to say that the tremendous discoveries (?) of Bro- Melville are still " Masonic Celestial Mysteries " to me . Bro . Melville may be entitled to high honour for something or other which he has done , but what that something is has not yet been shown in the ill-constructed and involved

sentences which form his articles . Probably Bro . M . has been so busy " discovering " the said something that ho has had no time to study the ordinary and commonplace discoveries of Liudley Murray and other grammarians . Yours fraternally , A STONE OF THE TEIIILE . May 1 st , 1869 .

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NUMBERS. Article 1
MASONIC CELESTIAL MYSTERIES. Article 2
THE KNIGHTS TEMPLARS. Article 6
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 8
UNIFORMITY OF RITUAL. Article 10
MASONIC PERSECUTION.—WITNESSES TO THE TRUTH. Article 11
OUR CARDINAL AND THE DUBLIN GRAND MASONIC ASSEMBLY. Article 12
BRO. MELVILLE AND HIS DISCOVERIES. Article 12
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 14
MASONIC ARCHÆOLOGICAL INSTITUTE. Article 14
METROPOLITAN. Article 15
PROVINCIAL. Article 16
SCOTLAND. Article 17
CHANNEL ISLANDS. Article 17
ROYAL ARCH. Article 18
MEETINGS OF THE LEARNED SOCIETIES. Article 19
LIST OF LODGE, &c., MEETINGS FOR WEEK ENDING 15TH MAY, 1869. Article 20
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Bro. Melville And His Discoveries.

cule upon Masonry and Masons . What a disgrace would it he upon us in the present day if we kept secluded from the world of learning such a vast body of knowledge as is assumed by Bro . Melville . Fortunately it is not so , nor is it possible to persuade Masons or the public that it is possible for illiterate

men by becoming initiated as Masons , and eating more or less good or bad dinners , to acquire mysteriously such knowledge as Masons and non-Masons can only acquire by hard study . What Masons can have as their specialty is this , if they choose to avail themselves of it , that they

may attain to that height of philosophy and of human learning which consists in the cultivation of virtue . This has always justly been regarded as the hi ghest learning , ancl this even the most illiterate Mason may acquire and practice . For this we keep our own organization , we choose our own candidates , and adopt our own forms , and are only so far in the nature of things mysterious and exclusive as we are separated

from those who cannot or will not belong to us . As to Bro . Melville ' s pretensions , hoAvever much they may impose upon himself and others who know nothing of the subjects on which he treats , their assertion has been sufficient to convince every man of moderate information . No wonder that Bro .

Melville claims so much when he knows so little . Hence we hear about Assyrian and hieroglyphic discoveries , unknown to such great scholars as Bro . Oppert and others , who have spent the labour of lives on these matters . It is difficult to make the general public understand the true nature of Bro . Melville ' s position

in Syro-Egyptian studies . Luckily , he has in his last favoured us with a more familiar example . Some pages of your last number are taken up to shoAV that men of education do not know when Charles the First was beheaded . They state on 30 th Jan ., 1 G 49 , whereas Bro . Melville shows from contemporary documents that it Avas on the 30 th Jan ., 1 G 4 S .

I am almost ashamed to take up your space with such matters , for if a schoolboy in this day does not understand it , a man of Bro . Melville ' s age ought to know better . When anyone spends his days iu the British Museum Library , as Bro . Melville does , copying books and MSS ., he is expected to profit by

the ordinary hooks of reference . 30 Jan ., 1648 , and 30 Jan ., 1 G 49 , are both right , and both the same thing when rightlv understood . In lGd'S and 1 G 49 , the 30 Jan ., 1619 , was the 30 Jan ., 1 G-1 S , because the year then , and for 1700 years , did not begin on the 1 st of Jan . as Bro . Melville

supposes , nor did it so begin until long after . Bro . Melville will , perhaps , explain howit is that September , the 9 th month , means tlie 7 th , October the 8 th , NoA'ember the 9 th , and December the 10 th . AVhen the year was made to begin on the 1 st of January , then such a date was indicated as 30 Jan ., 16-48-9 .

Gradually , as the change was accepted , this form was dropped , and in all our new books the date is entered , 30 Jan ., 1 G 49 , but Bro . Melville will find histories enough with 1 G 4 S respectively , 1 G 4 S-9 ancl 1 G-19 . AH Bro . Melville's surmises consequently fall to the ground . Acs to Bro . Melville ' s unpublished and mysterious discoveries yet to be communicated , there is no need to pay one farthing for their elucidation , or to

propagate them through our lodges . We can rest contented Avith what we have . Yours fraternally , P . M .

TO THE EDI'IOE OF THE " FREEMASON ^ ' MAGAZINE ASD JIASOXtO JHEKOE . Dear Sir ancl Brother . —AVith reference to the remarkable paper contributed to your issue of the 1 st inst ., by Bro . Henry Melville , commenting upon discrepancies as to tho date of the martyrdom , of King Charles I ., I beg to point out that all well-informed persons are aware

that no discrepancy whatever on the point has ever existed . In its issue of the l 6 oh of February , 1861 , the Times drew public attention to the fact , that from old times the English civil and legal year commenced upon the 25 th of March , a circumstance which at once explodes the mare ' s nest upon which Bro . Melville has laid so much stress while the following paragraph from Timbs '

; " Things not Generally Known , " eighth edition , Kent and Co ., London , 1859 , pnge 165 , completely does away with any credit for accuracy as an . antiquarian and man of research , which unthinking- persons might feel disposed to accord to that brother- It is headed

" THE HISTORICAL AXD LEGAL YEARS . " Remarkable examples of the confusion produced by two modes of computing dates , are afforded hy two of tho most celebrated events in English history . King Chai-les I ., is said by most authorities to have been beheaded on the 30 th of January , 1648 ; Avhilst others , with equal correctness , assigned that event to the SOfch

January , 1649 . The Revolution , which drove James II . from the throne , is stated by some writers to have taken place in February , 1688 ; whilst according to others , ib happened in February , 16 S 9 . These discrepancies arise from some historians using tho civil and legal , and others the historical year ; although both would have assigned any circumstance after the 25 th of March to the same

years , namely , 1649 and 1689 . " To avoid , as much as possible , tho mistakes which this custom produced , it was usual to add the date of the historical to that of the legal year , when speaking of any day between tho 1 st of January and 25 th of March , thus :

« T QO irfi S '' - ' > 164 S , the civil and legal year . Jan . dU , 104- g ^ > ] 6 LP i thc historical year . or thus : January 30 , 1648-9 . "This practice , common as it has long been , is nevertheless frequently misunderstood ; ancl even intelligent are sometimes lexed bdates so written .

persons perp y The explanation , however , is perfectly simple ; for the loAver or last figure always indicates the year according to our present calculation . " Yours fraternally , PROVINCIAL G-M . 3 rd May , 1869 .

TO THE EDITOE OE THE EKEK . MASOys' MAGAZINE AXD rHASOyiC tflRKOB . Dear Sir and Brother , —Like " Seuex , " I am compelled to say that the tremendous discoveries (?) of Bro- Melville are still " Masonic Celestial Mysteries " to me . Bro . Melville may be entitled to high honour for something or other which he has done , but what that something is has not yet been shown in the ill-constructed and involved

sentences which form his articles . Probably Bro . M . has been so busy " discovering " the said something that ho has had no time to study the ordinary and commonplace discoveries of Liudley Murray and other grammarians . Yours fraternally , A STONE OF THE TEIIILE . May 1 st , 1869 .

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