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The Masonic Mirror.

GRAUD 10 D 013 PBACTIOJ .. " The minutes of the last Grand Lodge having heen read , The M . AV . Grand Master said—Brethren , before I put the minutes for confirmation , I wish to make ono or two remarks in relation to what passed at the last meeting of Grand Lodge . Before doing that , however , I beg to inform Grand Lodthat I have received a letter from the Deputy Grand Masterstating that

ge , , he is at present in a state of deep affliction at the loss of his only brother . You will all , I know , sympathise with him in his sad affliction , and deem it quite sufficient excuse for his absence from Grand I _ odge . At the last Grand Lodge a question was asked me by Bro . Savage , which I promised to take into my consideration , and answerat this Grand Lodge . The question which Bro . Savage asked me was—whether it was competent for a brother , on the motion for the confirmation of the minutes , to move in regard to any particular resolution on those minutes that it be divided ,

that is , that wo should adopt one part , and not adopt another . It is a case which has never in my recollection occurred before , except on one occasion , when I may say Grand Lodge was taken by surprise . I promised Grand Lodge that I should give the question my best consideration . I have , therefore , since thought over ifc , and wished to guide my opinion by parliamentary practice in analogous cases ; but I find our practice here is so little analogous to that which is pursued in the legislature ? , that I could derive no assistance from parliamentary usage . I have

had , therefore , to consider what would be for the convenience ol Grand Lodge , and have come to the conclusion , that it would be very inconvenient to permit such a practice , aiid , unless under a positive order of Grand Lodge , I should not like a resolution to be divided . It must be passed as a ivhole , or rejected as a whole . I have come to this conclusion , because ifc is the one most convenient to Grand Lodge ; and I believe the brethren will , when thoy consider the subject carefully , find out that tho determination at which I have arrived , will best suit the convenience of all parties in carrying forward the business of Grand Lodge . I now put the minutes of the last Grand Lodgo for confirmation . ( Cheers . )

THE CANADIAN QUESTION . Bro . the Rev . G . 11 . Portal said , it was his painful duty to move tho non-confirmation of so much of tho minutes as related to tho recognition of the Grand Lodge of Canada AVest , as independent of Grand Lodge . His reasons for doing so were , that when the Canadian brethren received the notification of the resolution passed at the last Grand Lodge , thoy immediately met , and refused to accept a favour which limited the jurisdiction of the now Grand Lodge to Canada "Westwhereas

, the two provinces had , by the acts of the imperial and colonial legislatures , become fused into one ever since 1 . S 13 . At this moment there were only twelve Lodges in Lower Canada , and only six in tho upper province holding from the Grand Lodge of England , and some of these were very shaky in their allegiance . He was not aware whether the information which had been supplied to him , was in the hands of tho executive , bat if so , Grand Lodge was , he thought , unfairly treated in being called upon to confirm a resolution giving onllimited jurisdiction

y to the new Grand Lodge . If it had not been in their hands at the last meeting of Grand Lodge , he was sure the resolution ivould not have been adopted , and it only showed tbe wisdom of the advice which he had given them , to wait and see how they could most effectually hold out the right hand of fellowship to their Canadian brethren . The only step which was now consistent with the dignity of Grand Lodge , was to refrain from offering to the Masons of Canada what they would not accept at the hands of Grand Lod .

ge Bro . Lord Holmesdale seconded the motion of Bro . Portal , as it was not right that that meeting should insult the Canadian Brethren , and throw down the apple of discord between tho Craft in both countries . Bro . Gregory considered that tho motion of Bro . Portal was most inopportune . They had on the paper a notice that the Most Worshipful Grand Master ivas about to communicate to Grand Lod go the correspondence which had taken place between himself

and the Canadian Brethren , Ho wished , for the sake of regit-

“The Freemasons' Monthly Magazine: 1859-03-09, Page 22” Masonic Periodicals Online, Library and Museum of Freemasonry, 28 June 2025, django:8000/periodicals/mmr/issues/mmr_09031859/page/22/.
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GRAND LODGE—THE CANADIAN QUESTION. Article 1
TASMANIA. Article 6
MASONIC MISSIONS. Article 7
REVIEWS OF NEW BOOKS. Article 13
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 16
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 21
PROVINCIAL. Article 37
THE WEEK. Article 45
NOTICES. Article 48
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 48
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The Masonic Mirror.

GRAUD 10 D 013 PBACTIOJ .. " The minutes of the last Grand Lodge having heen read , The M . AV . Grand Master said—Brethren , before I put the minutes for confirmation , I wish to make ono or two remarks in relation to what passed at the last meeting of Grand Lodge . Before doing that , however , I beg to inform Grand Lodthat I have received a letter from the Deputy Grand Masterstating that

ge , , he is at present in a state of deep affliction at the loss of his only brother . You will all , I know , sympathise with him in his sad affliction , and deem it quite sufficient excuse for his absence from Grand I _ odge . At the last Grand Lodge a question was asked me by Bro . Savage , which I promised to take into my consideration , and answerat this Grand Lodge . The question which Bro . Savage asked me was—whether it was competent for a brother , on the motion for the confirmation of the minutes , to move in regard to any particular resolution on those minutes that it be divided ,

that is , that wo should adopt one part , and not adopt another . It is a case which has never in my recollection occurred before , except on one occasion , when I may say Grand Lodge was taken by surprise . I promised Grand Lodge that I should give the question my best consideration . I have , therefore , since thought over ifc , and wished to guide my opinion by parliamentary practice in analogous cases ; but I find our practice here is so little analogous to that which is pursued in the legislature ? , that I could derive no assistance from parliamentary usage . I have

had , therefore , to consider what would be for the convenience ol Grand Lodge , and have come to the conclusion , that it would be very inconvenient to permit such a practice , aiid , unless under a positive order of Grand Lodge , I should not like a resolution to be divided . It must be passed as a ivhole , or rejected as a whole . I have come to this conclusion , because ifc is the one most convenient to Grand Lodge ; and I believe the brethren will , when thoy consider the subject carefully , find out that tho determination at which I have arrived , will best suit the convenience of all parties in carrying forward the business of Grand Lodge . I now put the minutes of the last Grand Lodgo for confirmation . ( Cheers . )

THE CANADIAN QUESTION . Bro . the Rev . G . 11 . Portal said , it was his painful duty to move tho non-confirmation of so much of tho minutes as related to tho recognition of the Grand Lodge of Canada AVest , as independent of Grand Lodge . His reasons for doing so were , that when the Canadian brethren received the notification of the resolution passed at the last Grand Lodge , thoy immediately met , and refused to accept a favour which limited the jurisdiction of the now Grand Lodge to Canada "Westwhereas

, the two provinces had , by the acts of the imperial and colonial legislatures , become fused into one ever since 1 . S 13 . At this moment there were only twelve Lodges in Lower Canada , and only six in tho upper province holding from the Grand Lodge of England , and some of these were very shaky in their allegiance . He was not aware whether the information which had been supplied to him , was in the hands of tho executive , bat if so , Grand Lodge was , he thought , unfairly treated in being called upon to confirm a resolution giving onllimited jurisdiction

y to the new Grand Lodge . If it had not been in their hands at the last meeting of Grand Lodge , he was sure the resolution ivould not have been adopted , and it only showed tbe wisdom of the advice which he had given them , to wait and see how they could most effectually hold out the right hand of fellowship to their Canadian brethren . The only step which was now consistent with the dignity of Grand Lodge , was to refrain from offering to the Masons of Canada what they would not accept at the hands of Grand Lod .

ge Bro . Lord Holmesdale seconded the motion of Bro . Portal , as it was not right that that meeting should insult the Canadian Brethren , and throw down the apple of discord between tho Craft in both countries . Bro . Gregory considered that tho motion of Bro . Portal was most inopportune . They had on the paper a notice that the Most Worshipful Grand Master ivas about to communicate to Grand Lod go the correspondence which had taken place between himself

and the Canadian Brethren , Ho wished , for the sake of regit-

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