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The Masonic Mirror.

Colonial Board had consulted . The Board fully coincide in th opinion expressed on the subject by the Grand Registrar , and adopted by the Colonial Board , viz ., that the 'Book of Constitutions' does not in any way recognise honorary members of private lodges . When that book speaks of members it means only those brethren who are regularly contributing members to

tbe funds of the lodge to which they may belong . Such brethren only ought to be returned to Grand Lodge as members of private lodges . The status of an honorary member must be strictly confined to the lodge ivhich so elects him , and can in no way give him any position in the Craft outside the door of his lodge . He cannot , therefore , hold any office in the lodge , or vote

upon any subject which might , even remotely , affect the Craft at large . In short , his status and privileges as an honorary member entitle him to attend tho meetings of the lodge and partake of its refreshments without the necessity of being introduced by a subscribing member , provided always that he be a subscribing member to some other lodge . Honorary members

have no other right or privilege whatever . " The PRESIDENT OE THE BOARD having moved the adoption of this declaratory statement , Bro . H . G . WARREN proposed as an amendment to leave out the words , "Provided always that he be a subscribing member to some other lodge . " He moved that amendment on the ground

that a man might be a member of a lodge for forty or fifty years , and that lodge might wish to confer upon him special honour , but they could not do so unless ho was a subscribing member to some of them . If the law was defective before , and they were now going to amend it , he hoped they would make it perfect . Bro . MASON seconded the original motion , hoping that , if there was any doubt as to the privileges of honorary members

the question would be set at rest by the vote of that evening . The D . G . MASTER said the amendment as it stood would be inconsistent , if not with the letter , with the spirit of the " Book of Constitutions , " and , if it was to be done , it must be done by a substantive motion . He could not put this amendment as a side wind to the resolution . Bro . GREGORY said in most lodges the Secretary was exempt

from subscription , and be hoped that excellent regulation would not be interfered with , as tbey were entitled to all the privileges of the Board of Benevolence by the " Book cf Constitutions . " Bro . HAVERS said that Secretaries of lodges were regulated by tbe " Book of Constitutions , " in which it ivas expressly stated that they were not precluded from the privileges of the Board

of Benevolence , as their services were considered to be equivalent to their subscriptions . Bro . Si'MONDS hoped the Board of General Purposes would not press the motion that night , for if they were to pass a new law , Grand Lodge would be taken by surprise . If they thought it desirable that a now law should be enacted , let them give

notice of it at the next Grand Lodge , and then it could be fully considered . Tbe PRESIDENT OP THE BOARD said he should move that the report be received and entered on the minutes , bnt they had not yet come to that . Bro . Col . COLE , S . G . W ., said this question had been undecided

year after year ; it bad been shelved and put off , and then they had their A B C to go over again . He was a Master of a lodge , ancl the question of the privileges of honorary members had come up in a very awkward way ; and be wanted to know , from the legal adviser of Grand Lodge , what was the actual state of the law at present . If the Grand Lodge considered that the law as it at present stood required alteration , they must give notice of it ; but he was sorry the question had not been brought

forward before , and he must protest against the question being any longer deferred . Ho hoped the Grand Lodge would adopt the opinion of the Board of General Purposes , and by declaring what was tho state of the law , let it go forth throughout the country as such . The D . G . MASTER having ruled that the motion for tho

adoption of the report could be put without notice , Bro . SYMONDS , while bowing to the decision of the D . G . Master , said he should submit an amendment "That the matter be referred back to tbe Board of General Purposes , and that they be recommended to submit at the next Grand Lodge the exact words of the declaratory law they propose to be

adopted . " Bro . ADLAED said the Board of General Purposes did not first entertain this question , but it had received the approval of tho Colonial Board , and in that opinion they agreed . Bro . HOPWOOD said unless some very strong reason wag given , he did not see why this question should be longer

delayed . Bro . HAVERS concurred in the ruling of the D . G . Master , and said this was a right ancl proper resolution for adoption ; and the only doubt he had in his mind was , whether it had been brought before them in a fit and proper manner . In tim past he had occasion to battle for his reports , but he never

got a resolution passed unless he had given a substantial notice of the resolution he was about to propose . If the Grand Lodge approved of the expression of the Colonial Board , by all means let them do so ; but if they were taken by surprise , as had been suggested by Bi-o . Symonds , why , then tbey would act wisely to take the discussion on a future occasion .

Bro . H . G . WARREN said there were words in tbe resolution of the Board of General Purposes that were omitted from the resolution ofthe Colonial Board ; so that , if they adopted the report of tbe Colonial Board ancl that of tho Board of General Purposes , they- would adopt two things that would clash with each other . The G . REGISTRAR said no brother could visit a lodge more

than once unless he ivas a subscribing member , and no resolution could interfere with tlie " Book of Constitutions , " which did not recognise honorary members of private lodges , and would not recognise them . He agreed with the President of tbe Board of General Purposes that , in asking Grand Lodge to adopt tho opinion of the Board of General Purposes and the

Colonial Board , they were not asking them to enact any new law , but to declare what was the law on the subject . They said that was the law at present , ancl they asked Grand Lodge to adopt it . The D . G . MASTER said , if tbey were asked by the adoption of the new report to enact any now law , it would not be done ;

but tbey were asked to express such an opinion as would justify the Board of General Purposes in acting upon it ; but at the same time , without a distinct law it would not be legally binding on the Craft . If Grand Lodge wished to express a more definite opinion beyond that of the Colonial Board and the Board of General Purposes , that must be brought forward hy a

separate resolution . If they wished to pass a distinct aud authoritative opinion it must be by a distinct resolution , and discussed on a future occasion . The amendment was then put and lost . The D . G . MASTER then put the original resolution , which was carried .

REPORT or THE COLONIAL BOARD . Bro . HOPWOOD , President of the Board , moved that tbe report of the Colonial Board be taken as read , and afterwards moved that it be received and entered on the minutes . He

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GRAND LODGE. Article 1
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CORRESPONDENCE. Article 5
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 6
Untitled Article 10
METROPOLITAN. Article 11
PROVINCIAL. Article 13
KNIGHTS TEMPLAR. Article 15
MARK MASONRY. Article 15
CHANNEL ISLANDS. Article 15
INDIA. Article 16
LITERARY EXTRACTS. Article 17
THE WEEK. Article 18
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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The Masonic Mirror.

Colonial Board had consulted . The Board fully coincide in th opinion expressed on the subject by the Grand Registrar , and adopted by the Colonial Board , viz ., that the 'Book of Constitutions' does not in any way recognise honorary members of private lodges . When that book speaks of members it means only those brethren who are regularly contributing members to

tbe funds of the lodge to which they may belong . Such brethren only ought to be returned to Grand Lodge as members of private lodges . The status of an honorary member must be strictly confined to the lodge ivhich so elects him , and can in no way give him any position in the Craft outside the door of his lodge . He cannot , therefore , hold any office in the lodge , or vote

upon any subject which might , even remotely , affect the Craft at large . In short , his status and privileges as an honorary member entitle him to attend tho meetings of the lodge and partake of its refreshments without the necessity of being introduced by a subscribing member , provided always that he be a subscribing member to some other lodge . Honorary members

have no other right or privilege whatever . " The PRESIDENT OE THE BOARD having moved the adoption of this declaratory statement , Bro . H . G . WARREN proposed as an amendment to leave out the words , "Provided always that he be a subscribing member to some other lodge . " He moved that amendment on the ground

that a man might be a member of a lodge for forty or fifty years , and that lodge might wish to confer upon him special honour , but they could not do so unless ho was a subscribing member to some of them . If the law was defective before , and they were now going to amend it , he hoped they would make it perfect . Bro . MASON seconded the original motion , hoping that , if there was any doubt as to the privileges of honorary members

the question would be set at rest by the vote of that evening . The D . G . MASTER said the amendment as it stood would be inconsistent , if not with the letter , with the spirit of the " Book of Constitutions , " and , if it was to be done , it must be done by a substantive motion . He could not put this amendment as a side wind to the resolution . Bro . GREGORY said in most lodges the Secretary was exempt

from subscription , and be hoped that excellent regulation would not be interfered with , as tbey were entitled to all the privileges of the Board of Benevolence by the " Book cf Constitutions . " Bro . HAVERS said that Secretaries of lodges were regulated by tbe " Book of Constitutions , " in which it ivas expressly stated that they were not precluded from the privileges of the Board

of Benevolence , as their services were considered to be equivalent to their subscriptions . Bro . Si'MONDS hoped the Board of General Purposes would not press the motion that night , for if they were to pass a new law , Grand Lodge would be taken by surprise . If they thought it desirable that a now law should be enacted , let them give

notice of it at the next Grand Lodge , and then it could be fully considered . Tbe PRESIDENT OP THE BOARD said he should move that the report be received and entered on the minutes , bnt they had not yet come to that . Bro . Col . COLE , S . G . W ., said this question had been undecided

year after year ; it bad been shelved and put off , and then they had their A B C to go over again . He was a Master of a lodge , ancl the question of the privileges of honorary members had come up in a very awkward way ; and be wanted to know , from the legal adviser of Grand Lodge , what was the actual state of the law at present . If the Grand Lodge considered that the law as it at present stood required alteration , they must give notice of it ; but he was sorry the question had not been brought

forward before , and he must protest against the question being any longer deferred . Ho hoped the Grand Lodge would adopt the opinion of the Board of General Purposes , and by declaring what was tho state of the law , let it go forth throughout the country as such . The D . G . MASTER having ruled that the motion for tho

adoption of the report could be put without notice , Bro . SYMONDS , while bowing to the decision of the D . G . Master , said he should submit an amendment "That the matter be referred back to tbe Board of General Purposes , and that they be recommended to submit at the next Grand Lodge the exact words of the declaratory law they propose to be

adopted . " Bro . ADLAED said the Board of General Purposes did not first entertain this question , but it had received the approval of tho Colonial Board , and in that opinion they agreed . Bro . HOPWOOD said unless some very strong reason wag given , he did not see why this question should be longer

delayed . Bro . HAVERS concurred in the ruling of the D . G . Master , and said this was a right ancl proper resolution for adoption ; and the only doubt he had in his mind was , whether it had been brought before them in a fit and proper manner . In tim past he had occasion to battle for his reports , but he never

got a resolution passed unless he had given a substantial notice of the resolution he was about to propose . If the Grand Lodge approved of the expression of the Colonial Board , by all means let them do so ; but if they were taken by surprise , as had been suggested by Bi-o . Symonds , why , then tbey would act wisely to take the discussion on a future occasion .

Bro . H . G . WARREN said there were words in tbe resolution of the Board of General Purposes that were omitted from the resolution ofthe Colonial Board ; so that , if they adopted the report of tbe Colonial Board ancl that of tho Board of General Purposes , they- would adopt two things that would clash with each other . The G . REGISTRAR said no brother could visit a lodge more

than once unless he ivas a subscribing member , and no resolution could interfere with tlie " Book of Constitutions , " which did not recognise honorary members of private lodges , and would not recognise them . He agreed with the President of tbe Board of General Purposes that , in asking Grand Lodge to adopt tho opinion of the Board of General Purposes and the

Colonial Board , they were not asking them to enact any new law , but to declare what was the law on the subject . They said that was the law at present , ancl they asked Grand Lodge to adopt it . The D . G . MASTER said , if tbey were asked by the adoption of the new report to enact any now law , it would not be done ;

but tbey were asked to express such an opinion as would justify the Board of General Purposes in acting upon it ; but at the same time , without a distinct law it would not be legally binding on the Craft . If Grand Lodge wished to express a more definite opinion beyond that of the Colonial Board and the Board of General Purposes , that must be brought forward hy a

separate resolution . If they wished to pass a distinct aud authoritative opinion it must be by a distinct resolution , and discussed on a future occasion . The amendment was then put and lost . The D . G . MASTER then put the original resolution , which was carried .

REPORT or THE COLONIAL BOARD . Bro . HOPWOOD , President of the Board , moved that tbe report of the Colonial Board be taken as read , and afterwards moved that it be received and entered on the minutes . He

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