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    Article MODERN WRITERS UPON FREEMASONRY.—III. ← Page 4 of 7 →
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Modern Writers Upon Freemasonry.—Iii.

to substitute a still more distant clay ; but it is decided that he cannot do so until the first amendment has been put , which , having been negatived , the original motion is declared to be carried , and C . is informed that his amendment cannot be entertained . "

Now , what does Dr . Oliver mean by this ? A motion carried because the amendment is negatived 1 It is true that he does add a kind of ex 2 ilanation , in which he says that C . should move his new amendment before the sense of the assembly is taken on the ori ginal motion , but even this does not remove the impression of incorrectness left on the mind by the sentence , " whicli , " ( i . e . the amendment ) ,

" being negatived , the ori ginal motion is declared to be carried . " The rules of any ordinary debating society as to amendments , riders , & c ., would surely solve this very easy question , even if the Constitutions contain nothing on the point . Page 221 , section 5 . "Marks of Disapprobation . "—The Book of Constitutions , it seems , properly enough forbids hissing , and Dr . Oliver ,

not improperly , deprecates groaning ; but he also cries clown exclamations , such as , "Oh , oh . '" " Hear hear ! " and dubious , or , as he calls them , derisive , cheers . Now members must really havo some way of showing their disapprobation of what they disapprove of , and indeed , unless there Avere somo such occasional manifestation , a speaker mi ght be sometimes not agreeably surprised to find a motion lost , in which he thought every ono concurred , owing to the absence of such signs of non-approval . Dr . Oliver deprecates almost every

known way of showing disapprobation , but though we agree with him with regard to the " growling" out of such words as "humbug !" " stuff ! " ifcc ., we think the doctor might as well have told us in what way the existence of this feeling might be shown . One thing is certain , viz ., that if good feeling will not stop the growling , & c , books will not- succeed in doing so .

Page 222 , section 6 . " Betting on Motions . "— " Not often practised wo hope . " Then why mention it , and so put it into the heads of men who probably would not otherwise think of such a thing . Page 231 , section 6 . " Smoking Prohibited . "—A most objectionable practice during Lodge business , ancl fully discussed in a correspondence in the Freemasons' Quarterly Eeview *

Page 247 . Further on , ( page 259 ) , Dr . Oliver says , in accordance ivith the Book of Constitutions , that " Private Lodges cannot Expel ;" nevertheless , in the page now open before us ( 247 , ) he represents the Master of a private Lodge , ( for in the very same section , viz ., section 2 , he mentions appeal to Grand Lodge , ) as putting the question of expulsion to his Lodge with regard to an offending member . " If , " he continues , " that is negatived , as it is pretty sure to be , t the Blaster will proceed gradually down the scale , " & c . " If it be suspension or exclusion , the accused may transfer the cause b y appeal to

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MASONIC MISSIONS. Article 1
OUR ARCHITECTURAL CHAPTER. Article 4
MODERN WRITERS UPON FREEMASONRY.—III. Article 8
THE HIGH DEGREES. Article 15
REVIEWS OF NEW BOOKS. Article 16
REVIEWS OF NEW MUSIC. Article 23
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 24
TO THE EDITOR OF THE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR. Article 24
MASONIC ANTIQUITIES. Article 26
WHERE ARE YOU GOIING? Article 27
THE NEW GRAND OFFICERS. Article 29
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 31
PROVINCIAL. Article 35
ROYAL ARCH. Article 39
MASONIC FESTIVITIES. Article 42
THE WEEK. Article 43
Obituary. Article 48
NOTICES. Article 48
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 48
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Modern Writers Upon Freemasonry.—Iii.

to substitute a still more distant clay ; but it is decided that he cannot do so until the first amendment has been put , which , having been negatived , the original motion is declared to be carried , and C . is informed that his amendment cannot be entertained . "

Now , what does Dr . Oliver mean by this ? A motion carried because the amendment is negatived 1 It is true that he does add a kind of ex 2 ilanation , in which he says that C . should move his new amendment before the sense of the assembly is taken on the ori ginal motion , but even this does not remove the impression of incorrectness left on the mind by the sentence , " whicli , " ( i . e . the amendment ) ,

" being negatived , the ori ginal motion is declared to be carried . " The rules of any ordinary debating society as to amendments , riders , & c ., would surely solve this very easy question , even if the Constitutions contain nothing on the point . Page 221 , section 5 . "Marks of Disapprobation . "—The Book of Constitutions , it seems , properly enough forbids hissing , and Dr . Oliver ,

not improperly , deprecates groaning ; but he also cries clown exclamations , such as , "Oh , oh . '" " Hear hear ! " and dubious , or , as he calls them , derisive , cheers . Now members must really havo some way of showing their disapprobation of what they disapprove of , and indeed , unless there Avere somo such occasional manifestation , a speaker mi ght be sometimes not agreeably surprised to find a motion lost , in which he thought every ono concurred , owing to the absence of such signs of non-approval . Dr . Oliver deprecates almost every

known way of showing disapprobation , but though we agree with him with regard to the " growling" out of such words as "humbug !" " stuff ! " ifcc ., we think the doctor might as well have told us in what way the existence of this feeling might be shown . One thing is certain , viz ., that if good feeling will not stop the growling , & c , books will not- succeed in doing so .

Page 222 , section 6 . " Betting on Motions . "— " Not often practised wo hope . " Then why mention it , and so put it into the heads of men who probably would not otherwise think of such a thing . Page 231 , section 6 . " Smoking Prohibited . "—A most objectionable practice during Lodge business , ancl fully discussed in a correspondence in the Freemasons' Quarterly Eeview *

Page 247 . Further on , ( page 259 ) , Dr . Oliver says , in accordance ivith the Book of Constitutions , that " Private Lodges cannot Expel ;" nevertheless , in the page now open before us ( 247 , ) he represents the Master of a private Lodge , ( for in the very same section , viz ., section 2 , he mentions appeal to Grand Lodge , ) as putting the question of expulsion to his Lodge with regard to an offending member . " If , " he continues , " that is negatived , as it is pretty sure to be , t the Blaster will proceed gradually down the scale , " & c . " If it be suspension or exclusion , the accused may transfer the cause b y appeal to

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