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which it was expected would give sanction to certain Bills in the House of Lords . The Commission , however , did not arrive . Next , Blajor Knox complained that though he and other members came down and secured seats , as they thought , by leaving their hats in places , they found those places occupied hy other members . Two or three other members made a similar

complaint , but the Speaker told them the only way to secure seats was to be in the House during prayers . AA'hen BIr . Adair brought up the report of the Nottingham Committee , Lord Cranbourne said he had been informed that as soon as the decision of tho committee was given three sheriff ' s officers darted into the room and arrested Sir P .. Clifton . His

lordship contended that this was a breach of privilege , inasmuch as a gentleman did not cease to be a member until the resolutions of the committee had been reported to the House . He moved that the Sheriffs of Bliddlesex be directed to appear before the House at four o ' clock on Monday . Major Edwards seconded the motion . Several members threw grave doubts on

the statement , and Sir E . Poring said ho had seen Sir R . Clifton walking away from the House with a friend . Somebody else suggested that the "friend" might be a sheriff's officer . Finally , on the suggestion of the Chancellor of the Exchequer ' the motion was withdrawn , in ordor that a better knowledge of the facts might be arrived at . ——The Conservative hand

with respect to the Reform Bill was shown hy a notice of motion given by BIr . Albert Grant . He is to move , on the motion to go into committee on the Bill , a resolution in effect the same as that under discussion . The object , of course , is to talk the Bill out of the House . —On the motion to go into committee of supply there were some briof discussions , the most noticeable of which was a further demand for more electoral statistics by Bfr . Hunt . At length the Reform debate was

recommenced by BIr . Leveson Gower , who ably defended the Bill . BIr . Gregory followed in a smart speech against the Bill , and was replied to by tho Solicitor General for Scotland , to ¦ whom Sir Stafford Korthcote replied . Next BIr . Coleridge delivered a splendid speech in favour of the Bill , and BIr . Horsman came next , with some of his carefully polished

antitheses . BIr . Bright moved the adjournment of the debate . The Chancellor of the Exchequer appealed to BIr . Disraeli to allow the debate to close soon , but got a very unsatisfactory answer . On the 23 rd inst . there was no falling off in the interest with which the Reform debate is regarded . The fact that Mr . Brig ht was to open the debate gave additional interest , and

even at midnight on Sunday there were applicants for admission to the lobby , where those who aro fortunate enough to have obtained tickets wait until the strangers ' gallery is opened . Of course they did not procure admission then , but when tlie doors were opened at six o ' clock yesterday morning they entered and took up their position . AVhen the House met every scat was

taken , and the gallery crowded . There were many peers present , and the-liveliest possible interest was shown in the proceedings . BIr . Bright spoke for about two hours , ancl during the whole of that time kept the attention of the House . Of course there were now and then some of those unmannerly interruptions by which the Tories have lately signalised themselves . These

were chiefly when the speaker demolished somo one of their pet sophisms , or hit one of their number unusually hard . The speech was thoroughly moderate in 'tone , and as convincing as ifc was moderate . BIr . Whiteside followed BIr . Bright , and the contrast was indeed marked . Of course BIr . AVhiteside saw no merit in the bill , and hit [ out right and left at its supporters . To him followed Bl'Cullagh Torrens , who , jn a cool , argumentative speech , supported the measure . BIr .

The Week.

Walpole came next , denying that the working men took any interest in the bill . He was replied to by BIr . Goschen , and Mr . Lowe moved the adjournment of the debate . The motion was seconded by BIr . Onslow , who took the opportunity of making a short hut excellent speech in support of the bill . Then Sir Rainald Knightley complained

that no gentlemen but those arranged for by the whips could got an opportunity of speaking ; and his complaint was echoed by BIr . Butler-Johnstone and BIr . Hihbert . BIr . Gladstone appealed to the House to allow the debate to be closed before long , aud BIr . Disraeli promised to do his best to bring ifc to a close on Friday night . The debate was then adjourned . On

the 21 th inst ., tho discussions were of a varied character . Alderman Salomons introduced the question of the rating of Government property , aud moved a resolution declaring it to be inexpedient that Government establishments should he exempted from local rates . A long and interesting discussion followed , the motion being opposed by the Government , Finally the motion was withdrawn . BIr . Knight then moved a resolution

declaring it lo be expedient that all items of poor-law expenditure not being in-maintenance or out-relief , or otherwise under the immediate control of boards of guardians or parish officers should become a national charge . The Chancellor of tbe Exchequer opposed the motion , which was withdrawn . Mr . Sheridan then withdrew his motion with regard to the

Fire Insurance duty , and also expressed his regret that he had not been in the House the previous evening at the close of the debate on the Reform Bill . If he had been in the House he should have given way . The next business on the paper was a motion for a select committee to inquire into the petitions in favour of the Reform Bill from Blanchester and

Harden . Mr . Ferrand brought forward the motion , and blatantly attacked a number of gentlemen , including the Chancellor of the Exchequer . He threw a good deal of dirfc , but very little of it stuck , and finally he was compelled to withdraw the Manchester petition from the proposed committee and confine tho inquiry to the Harden petition alone . The

other business was of little interest . On the 25 th inst ., after some preliminary business had been disposed of , BIr . Bouverie moved the . second reading of his Bill for abolishing the declara . lion of conformity with the Liturgy of the Church of England whicli is now exacted from fellows of colleges . A leno-th y and interesting discussion followed , the Bill being supported bv

Professor Fawcetfc , BIr . Julian Goldsmid , BIr . Neate , and Mr . Thomas Hughes . Mr . AA alpole moved the rejection of the measure , and was supported by BIr . B . Hope , BIr . Sehreiber BIr . Solwyn , and Sir AV . Heathcote . The aiguments against the Bill were simply those which have been used over and over again . On a division , tho second reading was carried bv a majority of 22—the numbers being , for the second reading 208 ; against it , 186 . Tiie other orders on the paper were disposed of .

To Correspondents.

TO CORRESPONDENTS .

* , / All communications to be addressed to 10 , Salisbury-street Strand , London , W . C . EiiUATUit . —In Bro . Charles Purton Cooper ' s communication "The . Afovul Law and Freemasonry , " page 290 of the present volume , line -1 , for " the main reason , " read "human reason . " . 1 . 1 ' . —Received with thanks aud inserted . R . A . —We have not yet received any reply . AA e cannot re ommend to you any better course than that which we have

already laid down as that which you should adopt . J . E . W . —Your report , as also these received , from other brethren , together with some other matters , are unavoidably compelled to postpone giving until in our next , owing to the lengthy report of the Grand Festival in our present issue .

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RECOLLECTIONS OF THE LODGE OF FREEMASONS AT THORNHILL. Article 1
THE POPE A FREEMASON. Article 3
THE DOCTRINES OF JESUITISM. Article 3
MONITA SECRETA SOCIETAS JESU. Article 4
ORATION DELIVERED BY BRO. THE REV. H. G. VERNON, M.A., PROV. G. CHAPLAIN, LANCASHIRE (WEST), AT THE CONSECRATION OF THE TEMPLE LODGE (1094). Article 6
LODGE OFFICERS, THEIR POWERS AND DUTIES. Article 7
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 8
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 9
POPERY AND FREEMASONRY. Article 9
Untitled Article 10
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 10
MASONIC MEM. Article 10
GRAND LODGE. Article 10
METROPOLITAN. Article 14
PROVINCIAL. Article 14
SHROPSHIRE AND NORTH WALES. Article 15
MARK MASONRY. Article 18
ANCIENT AND ACCEPTED RITE. Article 18
CHANNEL ISLANDS. Article 18
REVIEWS. Article 18
MEETINGS OF THE SCIENTIFIC AND LEARNED SOCIETIES FOR THE WEEK ENDING MAY 4TH, 1866. Article 19
THE WEEK. Article 19
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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The Week.

which it was expected would give sanction to certain Bills in the House of Lords . The Commission , however , did not arrive . Next , Blajor Knox complained that though he and other members came down and secured seats , as they thought , by leaving their hats in places , they found those places occupied hy other members . Two or three other members made a similar

complaint , but the Speaker told them the only way to secure seats was to be in the House during prayers . AA'hen BIr . Adair brought up the report of the Nottingham Committee , Lord Cranbourne said he had been informed that as soon as the decision of tho committee was given three sheriff ' s officers darted into the room and arrested Sir P .. Clifton . His

lordship contended that this was a breach of privilege , inasmuch as a gentleman did not cease to be a member until the resolutions of the committee had been reported to the House . He moved that the Sheriffs of Bliddlesex be directed to appear before the House at four o ' clock on Monday . Major Edwards seconded the motion . Several members threw grave doubts on

the statement , and Sir E . Poring said ho had seen Sir R . Clifton walking away from the House with a friend . Somebody else suggested that the "friend" might be a sheriff's officer . Finally , on the suggestion of the Chancellor of the Exchequer ' the motion was withdrawn , in ordor that a better knowledge of the facts might be arrived at . ——The Conservative hand

with respect to the Reform Bill was shown hy a notice of motion given by BIr . Albert Grant . He is to move , on the motion to go into committee on the Bill , a resolution in effect the same as that under discussion . The object , of course , is to talk the Bill out of the House . —On the motion to go into committee of supply there were some briof discussions , the most noticeable of which was a further demand for more electoral statistics by Bfr . Hunt . At length the Reform debate was

recommenced by BIr . Leveson Gower , who ably defended the Bill . BIr . Gregory followed in a smart speech against the Bill , and was replied to by tho Solicitor General for Scotland , to ¦ whom Sir Stafford Korthcote replied . Next BIr . Coleridge delivered a splendid speech in favour of the Bill , and BIr . Horsman came next , with some of his carefully polished

antitheses . BIr . Bright moved the adjournment of the debate . The Chancellor of the Exchequer appealed to BIr . Disraeli to allow the debate to close soon , but got a very unsatisfactory answer . On the 23 rd inst . there was no falling off in the interest with which the Reform debate is regarded . The fact that Mr . Brig ht was to open the debate gave additional interest , and

even at midnight on Sunday there were applicants for admission to the lobby , where those who aro fortunate enough to have obtained tickets wait until the strangers ' gallery is opened . Of course they did not procure admission then , but when tlie doors were opened at six o ' clock yesterday morning they entered and took up their position . AVhen the House met every scat was

taken , and the gallery crowded . There were many peers present , and the-liveliest possible interest was shown in the proceedings . BIr . Bright spoke for about two hours , ancl during the whole of that time kept the attention of the House . Of course there were now and then some of those unmannerly interruptions by which the Tories have lately signalised themselves . These

were chiefly when the speaker demolished somo one of their pet sophisms , or hit one of their number unusually hard . The speech was thoroughly moderate in 'tone , and as convincing as ifc was moderate . BIr . Whiteside followed BIr . Bright , and the contrast was indeed marked . Of course BIr . AVhiteside saw no merit in the bill , and hit [ out right and left at its supporters . To him followed Bl'Cullagh Torrens , who , jn a cool , argumentative speech , supported the measure . BIr .

The Week.

Walpole came next , denying that the working men took any interest in the bill . He was replied to by BIr . Goschen , and Mr . Lowe moved the adjournment of the debate . The motion was seconded by BIr . Onslow , who took the opportunity of making a short hut excellent speech in support of the bill . Then Sir Rainald Knightley complained

that no gentlemen but those arranged for by the whips could got an opportunity of speaking ; and his complaint was echoed by BIr . Butler-Johnstone and BIr . Hihbert . BIr . Gladstone appealed to the House to allow the debate to be closed before long , aud BIr . Disraeli promised to do his best to bring ifc to a close on Friday night . The debate was then adjourned . On

the 21 th inst ., tho discussions were of a varied character . Alderman Salomons introduced the question of the rating of Government property , aud moved a resolution declaring it to be inexpedient that Government establishments should he exempted from local rates . A long and interesting discussion followed , the motion being opposed by the Government , Finally the motion was withdrawn . BIr . Knight then moved a resolution

declaring it lo be expedient that all items of poor-law expenditure not being in-maintenance or out-relief , or otherwise under the immediate control of boards of guardians or parish officers should become a national charge . The Chancellor of tbe Exchequer opposed the motion , which was withdrawn . Mr . Sheridan then withdrew his motion with regard to the

Fire Insurance duty , and also expressed his regret that he had not been in the House the previous evening at the close of the debate on the Reform Bill . If he had been in the House he should have given way . The next business on the paper was a motion for a select committee to inquire into the petitions in favour of the Reform Bill from Blanchester and

Harden . Mr . Ferrand brought forward the motion , and blatantly attacked a number of gentlemen , including the Chancellor of the Exchequer . He threw a good deal of dirfc , but very little of it stuck , and finally he was compelled to withdraw the Manchester petition from the proposed committee and confine tho inquiry to the Harden petition alone . The

other business was of little interest . On the 25 th inst ., after some preliminary business had been disposed of , BIr . Bouverie moved the . second reading of his Bill for abolishing the declara . lion of conformity with the Liturgy of the Church of England whicli is now exacted from fellows of colleges . A leno-th y and interesting discussion followed , the Bill being supported bv

Professor Fawcetfc , BIr . Julian Goldsmid , BIr . Neate , and Mr . Thomas Hughes . Mr . AA alpole moved the rejection of the measure , and was supported by BIr . B . Hope , BIr . Sehreiber BIr . Solwyn , and Sir AV . Heathcote . The aiguments against the Bill were simply those which have been used over and over again . On a division , tho second reading was carried bv a majority of 22—the numbers being , for the second reading 208 ; against it , 186 . Tiie other orders on the paper were disposed of .

To Correspondents.

TO CORRESPONDENTS .

* , / All communications to be addressed to 10 , Salisbury-street Strand , London , W . C . EiiUATUit . —In Bro . Charles Purton Cooper ' s communication "The . Afovul Law and Freemasonry , " page 290 of the present volume , line -1 , for " the main reason , " read "human reason . " . 1 . 1 ' . —Received with thanks aud inserted . R . A . —We have not yet received any reply . AA e cannot re ommend to you any better course than that which we have

already laid down as that which you should adopt . J . E . W . —Your report , as also these received , from other brethren , together with some other matters , are unavoidably compelled to postpone giving until in our next , owing to the lengthy report of the Grand Festival in our present issue .

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